Stinger226 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 I'm in Thailand now so my news is opposite time zones. NO has a history of good lines of which must have been Boucher. I liked Shaw also. We don't know if all of this will be successful but sure looks like it from this point. The lack of success on our OL had to fall mainly on Morgan. It just never seemed in sync.We talk about replacing everyone but Lucas Patrick changed teams last year and played much better. I totally believe Morgan should take most of the blame. There may be some answers to our OL problems still on the team. Braxton Jones actually taking a step forward. Kiran A looking like a NFL player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 13 hours ago, Stinger226 said: I'm in Thailand now so my news is opposite time zones. NO has a history of good lines of which must have been Boucher. I liked Shaw also. We don't know if all of this will be successful but sure looks like it from this point. The lack of success on our OL had to fall mainly on Morgan. It just never seemed in sync.We talk about replacing everyone but Lucas Patrick changed teams last year and played much better. I totally believe Morgan should take most of the blame. There may be some answers to our OL problems still on the team. Braxton Jones actually taking a step forward. Kiran A looking like a NFL player. Sean Payton was always focused on not having pressure up the middle. He was less concerned with the edges because he felt his QB could/should always be able to step up in the pocket. Our glaring need meets the guy who was apparently one of the best at fixing it. That would likely mean acceptance of Braxton Jones at LT. It's also easier to help a little outside on the edge if needed via TE, RB and still get the receiver out into space. IIRC, Minn likes to saturate interior blockers and get someone free up the middle. For whatever reason last night I watched a Rob Ryan short video on the old 46 scheme and it was the same with heavy presence right over Center where it's easiest to get pressure on the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Lions go from Johnson to Morton at OC. Morton has only been an OC once before in 2017, with the Jets, with the 24th scoring offense and 28th in yards. Fired after one season, never was an OC again. Talk about a downgrade. Waldron's offenses were better, that says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 30 minutes ago, adam said: Lions go from Johnson to Morton at OC. Morton has only been an OC once before in 2017, with the Jets, with the 24th scoring offense and 28th in yards. Fired after one season, never was an OC again. Talk about a downgrade. Waldron's offenses were better, that says a lot. When that game was over I kinda felt like we'd seen peak Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, AZ54 said: When that game was over I kinda felt like we'd seen peak Detroit. At least take a year to get back up to speed, they have a lot of talent there. Minny has to adjust to JJ becoming the QB and GB has a mediocre QB. It may be the perfect storm to get to the top of the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 18 hours ago, Stinger226 said: At least take a year to get back up to speed, they have a lot of talent there. Minny has to adjust to JJ becoming the QB and GB has a mediocre QB. It may be the perfect storm to get to the top of the division. It takes a good play caller, look at what Waldron did to the Bears and Seahawks. It was like a trail of tears. Morton comes in as a failed OC and hasn't called plays in the NFL in 8 years (2017). I honestly don't think he will last and DET will end up with the rotating OCs like Lovie had. The speculation was they would promote from within, and that did not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 19 hours ago, AZ54 said: When that game was over I kinda felt like we'd seen peak Detroit. Yeah, that was it. When was the last time you can remember a team losing their OC/Playcaller and DC/Playcaller and follow that up with a great year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 They came in like a Lion(s) and will go out like a lamb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: They came in like a Lion(s) and will go out like a lamb. Were/are the Lions good because of Campbell or Johnson? If they have his playbook and all the players know it, will they really be that worse? I know it's wishful thinking on our part, but until I see it, I am not assuming they will drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 29 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Were/are the Lions good because of Campbell or Johnson? If they have his playbook and all the players know it, will they really be that worse? I know it's wishful thinking on our part, but until I see it, I am not assuming they will drop off. It's a team sport. I don't think it was "or". IMDo it was a they, together got everything in line to work. Johnson was to top get and we got him. I'm all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Were/are the Lions good because of Campbell or Johnson? If they have his playbook and all the players know it, will they really be that worse? I know it's wishful thinking on our part, but until I see it, I am not assuming they will drop off. they will fade off, but you're right it wont be immediate. And with that offensive line, they should be pretty good with any decent OC calling plays, unless they get pass happy like so many do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 8 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Were/are the Lions good because of Campbell or Johnson? If they have his playbook and all the players know it, will they really be that worse? I know it's wishful thinking on our part, but until I see it, I am not assuming they will drop off. Detroit will still be a good team, but the fact Goff isn't a great QB and new coaches adjusting will take some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 10 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Were/are the Lions good because of Campbell or Johnson? If they have his playbook and all the players know it, will they really be that worse? I know it's wishful thinking on our part, but until I see it, I am not assuming they will drop off. The OC/Playcaller will dictate the scheme and plays. So it is up to Morton, and I don't know if I have ever seen a new OC come in and adopt someone else's playbook. Before Johnson, the offense was 25th, in his first year they jumped to 5th with basically the same players. In the two seasons before Johnson, Goff averaged 3500 passing yards, with Johnson? Over 4,500. He went from 20 TDs per year to 32. A massive jump. That will likely come down. Also remember Goff has had McVay, Lynn for his first year in DET (his worst), then Johnson. Morton is no McVay or Johnson, so Goff having a year closer to 2021 is more likely than him having another 4600 yard season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 So I looked back 5 years at the top 10 scoring offenses. I found 5 teams that lost/fired their OC after a season where they finished in the top 10 in scoring. Every one of them dropped out of the top 10 the following season with a new OC: TEN 2020-2021, 4th > 15th (lost A. Smith) SEA 2020-2021, 8th > 15th (lost Shottenheimer - gained Waldron lol) NE 2021-2022, 6th > 17th (lost McDaniels) NO 2023-2024, 9th > 24th (lost Kubiak) CLE 2023-2024, 10th > 32nd (lost VanPelt) My next one is to see how the top 10 OC faired on his new team (if he had one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Arthur Smith left TEN, and made the 16th scoring offense into the 26th scoring offense in ATL. So this looks to be very situational. He got a dying Matt Ryan, then Mariota, then Ridder as his 3x QBs. He has never replicated his offense in TEN again. McDaniels left NE and made the Raiders jump from 18th to 12th on offense. Shottenheimer left SEA in 2020, then didn't OC or HC until 2023 where DAL ended up with the #1 offense, up from 4th the year before, so a slight improvement. Carmichael left the Saints and in 2024 was on the DEN staff but not as OC. DEN did improve from 19th to 10th. VanPelt left CLE and joined NE where he made the 31st offense slip up one to 30th. So no big change there. So only Arthur Smith left as an OC and didn't improve his next team as an HC or OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Maybe it’s just me but it feels like Johnson is putting in a lot of effort to find the oline coach. Is there something very specific he’s looking for in that coach? Or maybe it’s just a timing thing all the other interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, AZ54 said: Maybe it’s just me but it feels like Johnson is putting in a lot of effort to find the oline coach. Is there something very specific he’s looking for in that coach? Or maybe it’s just a timing thing all the other interviews. I'm waiting on pins and needles and hoping he nails it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 Imagine how much fun it will be when we have a line that can open holes for the running game at will, and give Caleb consistent time in a clean pocket. It's hard to lose games that way. It's just a hypothetical ideal, but if you could gain 4 yards on every running play, you'd literally never lose and be the best offense that ever played without having to throw the ball once. Of course that's just an ideal, but if you could get close to it, then your receivers will be open a lot more, and you'd be a formidable offense for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Has anyone seen whether Cunningham was going to Jacksonville? I have seen a few mentions but don't know if it's true. It would be pick #100 if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Stinger226 said: Has anyone seen whether Cunningham was going to Jacksonville? I have seen a few mentions but don't know if it's true. It would be pick #100 if true. I read a post from Shefter saying he was the leading candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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