Saints Dennis Allen is a likely DC

[jason]

On 1/23/2025 at 10:02 PM, Stinger226 said:

It's just for looks but I think you're right,it gets names out there for hire, if not now later. If a black coach had the creed that Johnson has, he would be the hire. I get it is imbalanced but if you look at rosters in the league, there is an unbalance for white players. Players are based on merit not color, coaches should be also. 

The bears have a Black president, Black GM and black assistant GM, the inequality narrative no longer applies in the NFL anymore.

That’s always been my issue with the “there are 75% black players so there should be more black coaches”-argument. Where the hell does everyone think the white players go when they aren’t good enough to play any more but still desperately want to be connected to football? It’s not about some hidden racism like it may have been in the 60s or before. These are multimillion dollar organizations, and guys like Mike Tomlin can get a job whenever he wants. Otherwise, it’s a pure numbers game, and there are probably always going to be more white coaches based purely on population and statistics.

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1 hour ago, jason said:

That’s always been my issue with the “there are 75% black players so there should be more black coaches”-argument. Where the hell does everyone think the white players go when they aren’t good enough to play any more but still desperately want to be connected to football? It’s not about some hidden racism like it may have been in the 60s or before. These are multimillion dollar organizations, and guys like Mike Tomlin can get a job whenever he wants. Otherwise, it’s a pure numbers game, and there are probably always going to be more white coaches based purely on population and statistics.

right.

These teams need wins, and they dont care what color someone is if they can help them win games. That goes for players and coaches.

Given that there are no real physical requirements to be a coach, it stands to reason that you would have the same percentage of coaches, GMs etc of color that there are in the general population, and we are close to that.

As to why there are more black players in the league by percentage than there are black people in the general population, I have no answers. Only that the top athletes seem to be more likely to be black.

it should be said that we are speaking of the top athletes, and of any given average white guy or black guy, it will not always be the case at all. Plenty of women can beat plenty of men (like me) in physical competition for example, but when it comes to the best athletes, they never will.

But what everyone should want, what MLK spoke eloquently about, is a meritocracy. The best players play, the best coaches coach. And I do not doubt in the NFL that that is the case, given how much each team wants to win.

It's more of a cultural or political narrative at this point in the NFL, than an actual issue that I can see.

Should the league require 73% of the players be white, 14% be black, asians be 6.4%, and 50.5% be female?

What if there arent enough females that want to play in the NFL who are good enough? What do you do then? Force some to play anyway?

It's a bad way of thinking. I understand why some people are seduced by the idea of equity, but equality and equity are not the same thing. Equality of opportunity is a no brainer, we should always strive for that. And then results of competition should be meritocritous.

Equity on the other hand, the engineering of outcomes despite the facts on the ground, is some collectivist anti American stuff we should all recoil from, once we see it for what it is.