BearFan PHX Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said: Unless we get a guy that will be a true difference maker, I think a trade down is in order. IOL is the deepest it's been in years for this draft. We can easily what we need in rounds 2-4. If there is another Brock Bowers it there, I'm taking him. Oddly enough, Ashton Jeanty intrigues me in the same way Jamir Gibbs did when drafted by Detroit. If true, that the line will be beefier and stronger, I may be leaning toward a bell cow. What better help could the new OL ask for? When establishing continuity in a new scheme, the run game always takes off first. Why not draft the best I've seen in years? Jeanty is a faster version of Marshawn Lynch. I've never seen contact balance like his. Getting a stud RB in his first five years is very smart cap wise, with low cost and high production. I'm not saying that what I'd do, but it's intriguing as hell. Im with you. i KNOW fixing the OL is job #1, so ive held off on saying that Jeanty might be an option, but if we can remake the OL and get Jeanty, that WOULD be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said: Im with you. i KNOW fixing the OL is job #1, so ive held off on saying that Jeanty might be an option, but if we can remake the OL and get Jeanty, that WOULD be amazing. Yeah, Jeanty is not a new thought on here. I think AZ54 scooped that thought first. At the time I was against it. But, knowing how deep the IOL draft has changed everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 23 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: Yeah, Jeanty is not a new thought on here. I think AZ54 scooped that thought first. At the time I was against it. But, knowing how deep the IOL draft has changed everything. I've heard TreVeyon Henderson RB Ohio St compares to Gibbs also. Then there are rumors the Bears are heavily scouting Kaleb Johnson who is a little bigger. As much as I like Roschon, and as important as having a good run game means to making this offense work,I think we need to prepare to see one taken rounds 1-3. Have to have a solid plan to get the best oline group first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said: Yeah, Jeanty is not a new thought on here. I think AZ54 scooped that thought first. At the time I was against it. But, knowing how deep the IOL draft has changed everything. for sure, im not claiming any credit, Im just saying, i didnt speak about it too much because i agree with all of us that OL is job #1, but if there is a way to have both that'd be amazing. FWIW, Ive not done any real homework on the draft yet, so all i can really say is "this blue chip RB look really good in short highlight films" and equally meaningless things like that LOL I cant even say if there is an edge rusher Id want more than Jeanty or anything like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 He will probably be the BPA on the board at 10. He also could be trade bait for extra picks. Jeanty is the player you take as the last piece or a player to build a team around. I think Caleb is that guy. It's tricky building both the OL and DL in one draft. I say our first 4 picks should be trenches. PERIOD. If we get a Cunningham boost, that would be the place to grab a RB. There will be lots left in the 4th to choose from as a compliment to Swift which will excel under Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 6 hours ago, Stinger226 said: He will probably be the BPA on the board at 10. He also could be trade bait for extra picks. Jeanty is the player you take as the last piece or a player to build a team around. I think Caleb is that guy. It's tricky building both the OL and DL in one draft. I say our first 4 picks should be trenches. PERIOD. If we get a Cunningham boost, that would be the place to grab a RB. There will be lots left in the 4th to choose from as a compliment to Swift which will excel under Johnson. Other than the first two sentences, it's a very solid mindset. As for the first two. Nobody builds a team around the RB anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 ATL took Robinson with a high pick, Gibbs was a high pick and obviously Barkley was. I think anyone taking a RB that has plans on running the ball. Today's NFL is balanced oriented for the good teams . Not to say they build around them but definitely have big plans for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 Here's some info on top OL in draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 Does everyone think Dalman is the focus on free agency?What is the backup plan? ATL is under water with their cap and already pay big contracts to 2 OLs. He should be available but is he worth 15 mil if we get in a bidding war? I think something like a 12 mil a year secures him. Seen some other options I didn't think about. Kelly is older and has had injuries the last two years. I don't think he's in play. Joel Myers was brought up on X . Young getting better every year and robs GB of his services. 4 penalties, I sack, 29 pressures "I brought up Evan Brown who has played center 2 of his last 4 years and rated well last year as a guard.( LG) Coleman Shelton had 4 penalties, 3 sacks, 26 pressures last year playing every snap. He ranked as the 19th best center. We could do worst. Lastly is Ryan Bates over his shoulder problem with stem cell therapy? Poles likes him, brought him in to play Center. Can he do it this year? Plus he is still on the roster. Hopefully Dalman is the guy and don't have to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 18 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: Does everyone think Dalman is the focus on free agency?What is the backup plan? ATL is under water with their cap and already pay big contracts to 2 OLs. He should be available but is he worth 15 mil if we get in a bidding war? I think something like a 12 mil a year secures him. Seen some other options I didn't think about. Kelly is older and has had injuries the last two years. I don't think he's in play. Joel Myers was brought up on X . Young getting better every year and robs GB of his services. 4 penalties, I sack, 29 pressures "I brought up Evan Brown who has played center 2 of his last 4 years and rated well last year as a guard.( LG) Coleman Shelton had 4 penalties, 3 sacks, 26 pressures last year playing every snap. He ranked as the 19th best center. We could do worst. Lastly is Ryan Bates over his shoulder problem with stem cell therapy? Poles likes him, brought him in to play Center. Can he do it this year? Plus he is still on the roster. Hopefully Dalman is the guy and don't have to think about it. I suspect it'll be Dalman. If we go that route I hope he's all that and a bag of chips. Having a stud at the pivot point of the Oline is a huge help and after all these years without one watching one will feel different. I'm so used to us giving up pressure off the A gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 I don't think he's an pro type but top 5 is a drastic improvement. I seen a podcast with an oline coach, name?He was talking about if the center is not a big guy (Dalman 305), having big strong guards helps the center play a lot. Several big guards in the draft and Kevin Zeilter is 326 , so assembling the interior will be by design. Will Campbell 320 Armond Membou 332 Tyler Booker 325 Johan Savaiinaea 339 Tate Rutledge 320 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Stinger226 said: I don't think he's an pro type but top 5 is a drastic improvement. I seen a podcast with an oline coach, name?He was talking about if the center is not a big guy (Dalman 305), having big strong guards helps the center play a lot. Several big guards in the draft and Kevin Zeilter is 326 , so assembling the interior will be by design. Will Campbell 320 Armond Membou 332 Tyler Booker 325 Johan Savaiinaea 339 Tate Rutledge 320 Have to put every tackle in this group too. They are almost all eligible to playing inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Have to put every tackle in this group too. They are almost all eligible to playing inside. Yes, there's only a few true LTs in this draft, several RTs and and almost everyone else is playing inside. Membro and Johan Savaiinaea are tackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 unless we are going DL or RB with our first pick, or our scouts find something that we arent all seeing, I think we would like to trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said: unless we are going DL or RB with our first pick, or our scouts find something that we arent all seeing, I think we would like to trade down. It would be insance to go RB in the top 10 of this draft. It's not a premium position and on the flip side it's also one of the deepest positions in this draft. The first pick has to be in the trenches. Given the value of most top 25 players along with position value and need the most likely choice is a DE unless we trade back. Now if Mason Graham falls to 10 just punch the ticket. Now I have to go figure out where a freak athlete like Shemar Stewart fits in this equation. His production was meh for such a good athlete. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 20 minutes ago, AZ54 said: It would be insance to go RB in the top 10 of this draft. It's not a premium position and on the flip side it's also one of the deepest positions in this draft. Generically, I agree. Im just leaving the door open in case Johnson covets Jeanty. Im not predicting it, or even endorsing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, AZ54 said: It would be insance to go RB in the top 10 of this draft. It's not a premium position and on the flip side it's also one of the deepest positions in this draft. The first pick has to be in the trenches. Given the value of most top 25 players along with position value and need the most likely choice is a DE unless we trade back. Now if Mason Graham falls to 10 just punch the ticket. Now I have to go figure out where a freak athlete like Shemar Stewart fits in this equation. His production was meh for such a good athlete. Why? The Bears are not in position to take a 1st rd RB or TE for that matter. They have one for sure starter on the oline, leaving LT open because Poles himself said they will have competition. They need a DE opposite of Sweat and should add DTs to rotate with Dexter and Billings. I don't want Shemars combine results to influence the Bears. Stick to game tapes and if they see something they can fix, maybe but not at pick 10. When the Bears are real and not on paper, they can swing for a Jentry round 1. If it came down to Booker G or Jentry RB, take that stud G that will make Swift/Roschon that much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: The Bears are not in position to take a 1st rd RB or TE for that matter. They have one for sure starter on the oline, leaving LT open because Poles himself said they will have competition. They need a DE opposite of Sweat and should add DTs to rotate with Dexter and Billings. I don't want Shemars combine results to influence the Bears. Stick to game tapes and if they see something they can fix, maybe but not at pick 10. When the Bears are real and not on paper, they can swing for a Jentry round 1. If it came down to Booker G or Jentry RB, take that stud G that will make Swift/Roschon that much better. We still have to be prepared for a trade down scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 Fortunately, the depth at OG, and DT are very good that a couple trade back scenario's would still get us a top prospect and add needed picks. Between 72 and 149 is to big a gap with some talent still available at that point in the draft. Other than Jeanty ( if available) who would someone want to trade up to get? We might have a better chance at trading our 39 th pick as players fall out of the first round. That's probably just a third or fourth round pick at that point but still welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Stinger226 said: Other than Jeanty ( if available) who would someone want to trade up to get? We might have a better chance at trading our 39 th pick as players fall out of the first round. That's probably just a third or fourth round pick at that point but still welcomed. If a QB falls, someone like the Steelers may want to come up. It's a crapshoot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said: If a QB falls, someone like the Steelers may want to come up. It's a crapshoot... I heard the Steelers want to go with JF going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: I heard the Steelers want to go with JF going forward. Do you think he's a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 55 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: Do you think he's a solution? Looks like they might. They know he is cheaper than RW for possibly the same output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Looks like they might. They know he is cheaper than RW for possibly the same output. I think they can build an offense groomed to Justin and win with. They can now get him cheaply. It's a risk but Wilson wasn't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 I think we need 2 QBs to get drafted ahead of us and then someone will be there to entice a trade up. Rankings are already shifting around, Draft Network now has Will Campbell 9, Cam Ward 10, Josh Simmons 11, Jeanty is 12, Warren 13, Sanders 14, and Omarion Hampton now at 15. Donovan Jackson sits at 16. That's a good cluster of talent and someone might be willing to make a small move up to ensure they get their guy. Somebody who really needs a LT might be willing to make the jump up for either of Campbell/Simmons. Is it a big deal if we get Campbell or Josh Simmons at 10 versus Donovan Jackson at 14 or 15? Dropping from 10 to 15 is enough to get another 3rd Rd pick, maybe a little more. Most of the edges are now landing in 15-30 range but again that may shake up by next week. I think we're in that sweet spot where the trade up isn't too costly or we can grab the player that falls to us. The same can be said for the teams sitting at 8/9/10/11 which could make it a buyers market. If I were to pick this years wildcard workout warrior to shock everyone in the top 10 it's Shemar Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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