New TEs are coming - Everett To Be Released

[BearFan PHX]

Brad Biggs reporting that we are releasing Gerald Everett

so we are in the market for TEs now. some of us here will be very happy about that!

Not sure what this means for Kmet. Could mean he is safer this year, could mean the TE approach will be different for Johnson. And either way, could mean the outcome for Kmet happens next year anyway.

[Stinger226]

Don't think it says anything about the future of Kmet. They didn't throw enough to TEs in general and were paying to much for a backup TE spot with no production. 

Also released was DeMarcus Walker. Allen likes more size in his DEs. Which also could effect the future of Austin Booker . 6-6 245.

[BearFan PHX]

36 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Don't think it says anything about the future of Kmet. They didn't throw enough to TEs in general and were paying to much for a backup TE spot with no production. 

Also released was DeMarcus Walker. Allen likes more size in his DEs. Which also could effect the future of Austin Booker . 6-6 245.

well one thing it could say is that we need to keep Kmet more now than before Everett was cut.

another thing is COULD say is that Johnson wants a different kind of tight end, and Kmet is trade bait.

and no matter which of those things it MIGHT mean, it probably pushes the decision off a year, which already the most probable outcome.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

The Bears freed up 10.5 million in cap today.  I don't mind losing Everett but Demarcus Ware at least showed up once in a while amd seemed like a good teammate.  I hope this means there is a chance to get a prize FA or two. We are about 3 weeks for the big wave to hit.

 

[BearFan PHX]

47 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The Bears freed up 10.5 million in cap today.  I don't mind losing Everett but Demarcus Ware at least showed up once in a while amd seemed like a good teammate.  I hope this means there is a chance to get a prize FA or two. We are about 3 weeks for the big wave to hit.

 

Yes exactly. We are going to upgrade certain positions. Not every one will be a high priced free agent or a high draft pick of course, but these guys just dont fit the mold of what the new coaches are looking for so their value is lower to us than the general market. And when we know this, might as well act to give them the best chance to be signed somewhere else. His direct replacement at what will be DE4 for him could be someone slightly worse than he is, but they will fit Allen's bigger DE profile for example.

And like everyone here I think we are going to see big swings at updating the OL and the DL - that's no secret, so you might as well cut him loose now. Even if you dont know if you will land that big name DE1. Either way the move makes the same sense; to replace him with a bigger body, whether he was going to be DE3 or DE4, whether we succeed to bring in a big name DE1, or go with a new DE2, in all scenarios you already know it's not him.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yes exactly. We are going to upgrade certain positions. Not every one will be a high priced free agent or a high draft pick of course, but these guys just dont fit the mold of what the new coaches are looking for so their value is lower to us than the general market. And when we know this, might as well act to give them the best chance to be signed somewhere else. His direct replacement at what will be DE4 for him could be someone slightly worse than he is, but they will fit Allen's bigger DE profile for example.

And like everyone here I think we are going to see big swings at updating the OL and the DL - that's no secret, so you might as well cut him loose now. Even if you dont know if you will land that big name DE1. Either way the move makes the same sense; to replace him with a bigger body, whether he was going to be DE3 or DE4, whether we succeed to bring in a big name DE1, or go with a new DE2, in all scenarios you already know it's not him.

Yup, they will bring one in free agency ( higher level) and probably be one of the first 2 picks. Walker was a good rotational player but he was a starter in the present Def. I suspect they thought that was to much money for a 3rd or 4th. 

The new coaches may want different types and already discussed who they wanted. Young played under Allen. Also Allen was in Oakland when Mack was drafted, plus Sheldon Rankins was released by Bengals and played in NOs under Allen. We may be interested in them.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

8 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yes exactly. We are going to upgrade certain positions. Not every one will be a high priced free agent or a high draft pick of course, but these guys just dont fit the mold of what the new coaches are looking for so their value is lower to us than the general market. And when we know this, might as well act to give them the best chance to be signed somewhere else. His direct replacement at what will be DE4 for him could be someone slightly worse than he is, but they will fit Allen's bigger DE profile for example.

And like everyone here I think we are going to see big swings at updating the OL and the DL - that's no secret, so you might as well cut him loose now. Even if you dont know if you will land that big name DE1. Either way the move makes the same sense; to replace him with a bigger body, whether he was going to be DE3 or DE4, whether we succeed to bring in a big name DE1, or go with a new DE2, in all scenarios you already know it's not him.

A 10% average hike in the ticket prices and the 3rd highest cap should be one or two big swings. The Bears have 3 cheaper years left with Caleb and if he is what we drafted him for, he will be extended before the 5th year.  So if Poles is going to swing for the fences, this is the year to do it.  Some names I'd like to see them contact.

Some homerun swings:

Oline: Ronnie Stanley LT, Trey Smith G, Drew Dalman C

DE- Khalil Mack is he still regarded a DE1, trade Micah Parsons, Myles Garrett

[Stinger226]

If we had Stanley instead of Braxton this year, he had 13 penalties, 2 sacks, 4 QB hits and 35 pressures . 39th ranked T.

Braxton : 7 penalties, 5 sacks, 2 QB hits and 26 pressures. Granted he had 300 less snaps. 20 th ranked T

We would be trying to replace Stanley if he was our T . Is he a better player than Braxton, of course but is he worth paying 22 to 25 mil a year, Instead of 4 mil? No way in hell. 

Instead of 23-25 mil a year for Trey Smith, I suggest Dalman 10-12 mil, Kevin Zeilter 8-10 mil and Evan Brown 6-8 mil. LG- C-RG . All had good years last year. Zeilter would only have 2 good years left but Brown and Dalman will be here longer. You cut Bates, that's the same cost as Smith.

I think the combination of Braxton and Kiran will be left at LT to see what ones improve. 

You have enough to pay one DL a big salary. Add 2 of the 3 high picks on DL, one to a versatile OL that could cover several positions if someone fails. Zabel can play every OL positions. 

Draft a RB at 72. I suspect one of the picks will be a trade back so will have another 2nd or 3rd pick for a S, WR, TE. 

 

On X all these journalists have us drafting a RB( maybe), CB, S ,TE, WR , LB in our first 4 picks. That's crazy. Trenches, trenches, trenches.

DL, RB, and TE have great depth in this draft. WR is not far behind in the middle rounds.

We have enough assets to add to put us in the playoffs next year. The key will be Caleb, in how far we go. Coaches upgraded, OL upgraded,DL upgraded. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

30 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

If we had Stanley instead of Braxton this year, he had 13 penalties, 2 sacks, 4 QB hits and 35 pressures . 39th ranked T.

Braxton : 7 penalties, 5 sacks, 2 QB hits and 26 pressures. Granted he had 300 less snaps. 20 th ranked T

We would be trying to replace Stanley if he was our T . Is he a better player than Braxton, of course but is he worth paying 22 to 25 mil a year, Instead of 4 mil? No way in hell. 

Instead of 23-25 mil a year for Trey Smith, I suggest Dalman 10-12 mil, Kevin Zeilter 8-10 mil and Evan Brown 6-8 mil. LG- C-RG . All had good years last year. Zeilter would only have 2 good years left but Brown and Dalman will be here longer. You cut Bates, that's the same cost as Smith.

I think the combination of Braxton and Kiran will be left at LT to see what ones improve. 

You have enough to pay one DL a big salary. Add 2 of the 3 high picks on DL, one to a versatile OL that could cover several positions if someone fails. Zabel can play every OL positions. 

Draft a RB at 72. I suspect one of the picks will be a trade back so will have another 2nd or 3rd pick for a S, WR, TE. 

 

On X all these journalists have us drafting a RB( maybe), CB, S ,TE, WR , LB in our first 4 picks. That's crazy. Trenches, trenches, trenches.

DL, RB, and TE have great depth in this draft. WR is not far behind in the middle rounds.

We have enough assets to add to put us in the playoffs next year. The key will be Caleb, in how far we go. Coaches upgraded, OL upgraded,DL upgraded. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like what Kiran can develop into and Braxton most likely walks after the season, so I am more on the draft a LT wagon than sign one right now.  We watched Braxton for 3 years and sure he isn't the worst but I want a guy who is here for 10 years locking that spot down, so I wouldn't give him a 2nd contract. 

I'd take your proposal for Dalman and Zeilter over Smith.  I am so tired of the Bears center carousel since losing Kreutz. They need a legit starter and a worthy draftee to develop. 

Do not be shocked to see a RB in round 2.  The run game is the most important part of Ben Johnsons offense.  I see them going OL/DL and RB with the first 3 picks. 

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

If we had Stanley instead of Braxton this year, he had 13 penalties, 2 sacks, 4 QB hits and 35 pressures . 39th ranked T.

Braxton : 7 penalties, 5 sacks, 2 QB hits and 26 pressures. Granted he had 300 less snaps. 20 th ranked T

We would be trying to replace Stanley if he was our T . Is he a better player than Braxton, of course but is he worth paying 22 to 25 mil a year, Instead of 4 mil? No way in hell. 

Instead of 23-25 mil a year for Trey Smith, I suggest Dalman 10-12 mil, Kevin Zeilter 8-10 mil and Evan Brown 6-8 mil. LG- C-RG . All had good years last year. Zeilter would only have 2 good years left but Brown and Dalman will be here longer. You cut Bates, that's the same cost as Smith.

I think the combination of Braxton and Kiran will be left at LT to see what ones improve. 

You have enough to pay one DL a big salary. Add 2 of the 3 high picks on DL, one to a versatile OL that could cover several positions if someone fails. Zabel can play every OL positions. 

Draft a RB at 72. I suspect one of the picks will be a trade back so will have another 2nd or 3rd pick for a S, WR, TE. 

 

On X all these journalists have us drafting a RB( maybe), CB, S ,TE, WR , LB in our first 4 picks. That's crazy. Trenches, trenches, trenches.

DL, RB, and TE have great depth in this draft. WR is not far behind in the middle rounds.

We have enough assets to add to put us in the playoffs next year. The key will be Caleb, in how far we go. Coaches upgraded, OL upgraded,DL upgraded. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have a ton of gaps to fill this offseason.  The calmer measured approach to improving multiple positions makes a lot of sense IMO vs going after 1 or 2 big names and then filling rest with Tier 3 FAs or rookies.    

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

We have a ton of gaps to fill this offseason.  The calmer measured approach to improving multiple positions makes a lot of sense IMO vs going after 1 or 2 big names and then filling rest with Tier 3 FAs or rookies.    

I agree, except possibly for signing a tier 2 free agent, and drafting a rookie at the same position for the future?

But I totally agree with you that we shouldnt be keeping people just because they were mediocre and cheap. Thats for sure.

EDIT: What I agree about is not filling in a bunch of OL positions with low tier free agents and calling it a day. I am not against signing big names, but i am against filling the other holes with nobodies.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

52 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

We have a ton of gaps to fill this offseason.  The calmer measured approach to improving multiple positions makes a lot of sense IMO vs going after 1 or 2 big names and then filling rest with Tier 3 FAs or rookies.    

They won't be able to sign any big names much further down the road. If they are going to do it, this is a good year so they can prepare for Calebs year 4 by front loading deals. With being nearly 80 million under the cap, they can get 1 for sure and most likely 2, no more signing all mid level guys.  It is time to make a real push and bring in a Trey Smith and Josh Sweat.  It's just my opinion.  The Bears want to raise ticket prices 10+%, they better put a winning team out there. 

[Mongo3451]

I like the Dalmen and Zeitler approach to upgrade the IOL.  Draft your studs instead of buying them.  This is the year for IOL in the draft.  Same with defense bring in Young and draft a young edge.  I'm to the point where we have to use our #10 on an EDGE, Jeanty or a Bowers type TE.  There are good fatties in the second through fourth rounds to fill the trenches.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

I like the Dalmen and Zeitler approach to upgrade the IOL.  Draft your studs instead of buying them.  This is the year for IOL in the draft.  Same with defense bring in Young and draft a young edge.  I'm to the point where we have to use our #10 on an EDGE, Jeanty or a Bowers type TE.  There are good fatties in the second through fourth rounds to fill the trenches.

this is where Im leaning. Again, I havent done any predraft work, so im speaking generally. I dont know if there is an edge thats worthy of a top 10 pick, or three of them.

But unless there is a blue chip LOT available at #10, Id trade down, or look Jeanty, Edge or TE - again if there are players worthy of it.

Coleston Loveland is interesting at TE if we trade down. We could probably get him and a second round talent edge rusher for our #10 pick.

And of course, i want to see at least 2 OL picks in the top 100 for us.

[Stinger226]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

this is where Im leaning. Again, I havent done any predraft work, so im speaking generally. I dont know if there is an edge thats worthy of a top 10 pick, or three of them.

But unless there is a blue chip LOT available at #10, Id trade down, or look Jeanty, Edge or TE - again if there are players worthy of it.

Coleston Loveland is interesting at TE if we trade down. We could probably get him and a second round talent edge rusher for our #10 pick.

And of course, i want to see at least 2 OL picks in the top 100 for us.

From everything I have looked at Campbell is the only top 10 OT and he has short arms that questions a OG at 10? Have seen Banks Jr in top 10 a few times. Simmons is next and the injury pushes him out of top 15  . Those are the only OTs considered blue chip to some. If Campbell is there at 10, I would move back and take Banks? Unfortunately no one in this draft is Jon Alt. 

They obviously have the best information to judge. 

Zeilter was top 5 ranked guard last year. Dalman is the best center out there but isn't an all pro center. Brown only gave up 2 sacks and had 2 penalties last year.Not a top guard but could hold the spot down until a rookie is ready plus can play center. He's the perfect bridge player until a rookie is ready at not a big payout.

We still have money for a high end edge. Josh Sweat or Chase Young. We just don't have enough assets to fill every spot with a top flight player.

 

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

With 80 million, they could do more than we are conditioned to.  We know they will most likely sign or trade for one DE which will eat 20 million give or take. They could also pay Trey Smith 20-25 million and sign Dalman, Shelton, or Kelly for Center. Sign a vet min WR, DT, and TE and the draft is lined up to take BPA and of course get another starting guard.  The scenarios will be unlimited but they can get a couple big names without hurting the long run.

[AZ54]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

From everything I have looked at Campbell is the only top 10 OT and he has short arms that questions a OG at 10? Have seen Banks Jr in top 10 a few times. Simmons is next and the injury pushes him out of top 15  . Those are the only OTs considered blue chip to some. If Campbell is there at 10, I would move back and take Banks? Unfortunately no one in this draft is Jon Alt. 

They obviously have the best information to judge. 

Zeilter was top 5 ranked guard last year. Dalman is the best center out there but isn't an all pro center. Brown only gave up 2 sacks and had 2 penalties last year.Not a top guard but could hold the spot down until a rookie is ready plus can play center. He's the perfect bridge player until a rookie is ready at not a big payout.

We still have money for a high end edge. Josh Sweat or Chase Young. We just don't have enough assets to fill every spot with a top flight player.   

 

 

 

I don't think either Josh Sweat or Chase Young are a high end edge.  They are better than what we've had but will also be much more expensive.  Since Dennis Allen has experience with Young either way they go I'm good with it.  That includes if they want to invest in FA Oline to get the experience in front of Caleb, and then build the D through a very deep defensive draft class. 

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I don't think either Josh Sweat or Chase Young are a high end edge.  They are better than what we've had but will also be much more expensive.  Since Dennis Allen has experience with Young either way they go I'm good with it.  That includes if they want to invest in FA Oline to get the experience in front of Caleb, and then build the D through a very deep defensive draft class. 

Two years ago, DeMarcus Walker was coming off a 7 sack season and you see that was his high. Rotational player but never a riser. 

Chase Young is stuck in the 7 sack range after the surgery but Sweat has had 7 sacks or better 3 of the last 4 seasons. 33 total. He will be overpriced but has a higher upside with him. Drafting a stud DE will only be gotten in the draft. We do need to add to the room as Booker will need to prove himself with the new coaches. Not sure who else in free agency that would be a value signing at DE. None stick out.

Green looks great but Allen likes bigger DEs, I think Sawyer would be available in the second round and has upside. Stewart has been mentioned because of his size but lacks production. Princely Umanmien is impressive. 90 Ts, 10.5 sacks, 14 hurries and 13.5 tfl 

Jordan Burch/Oregon could be a surprise in round 3 , 6.6 295 with 4.68 speed. He only had 3 sacks his senior season but was very productive his other years.