Sell me on someone - anyone - at #10

[dawhizz]

So I keep looking at everything I can regarding draft options at #10 and I’m having a hard time. Let me know where I’m wrong:

-At Edge, you have guys with horrible sack production like Mykal Williams (who just ran a 4.8 40 at his pro day - no thanks) and Shemar Sanders (4.5 sacks total in 3 years), then guys with decent production who seem too light for 4-3 end like Mike Green and Jalon Walker (who’s probably a LB anyway). 
 

DT - Mason Graham maybe if he’s there but he probably won’t be and I don’t think Grant/Harmon/Nolen are worth the pick at #10.

RB - Jeanty is maybe a consideration but I just have a hard time seeing it when the Bears have two 2nd round picks and this is a deep RB draft.

OT - Poles drafted Kiran as his LT of the future last year, and there’s a lot of disagreement on if the top OTs (Campbell, Banks, Membou) are even fits at OT, let alone LT. Poles isn’t taking another potential RT at #10 and after the Thuney and Jackson moves probably isn’t taking a guard there either. 
 

I don’t buy Tyler Warren as a consideration - just actually use the guy you have. WR3 is a big need but I can’t see going WR back to back with top 10 picks (plus I assume they will still address WR in FA). I can almost make a case for CB depending on how the new regime feels about Terrell Smith and Tyrique Stevenson, but can’t quite get there. 
 

Trade down makes the most sense but that’s easier said than done.

So what’s the move? Make your case. Cause I’m struggling. 

 

[Mongo3451]

IMO - It has to be LOT, EDGE, 3Tech or trade back.  I haven't looked at the TE's, but if there's a Brock Bowers out there, get him.

[Stinger226]

Unless Graham or Campbell drops,I see them . moving back makes the most sense. Actually I would a couple of trade backs to 20-30. I would target Zabel in the 20s

 He literally can play any spot on the line. He can fill any spot that isn't working out. Braxton or Jackson gets injured. With extra 2nd or 3rd round picks. DT, Edge, RB, WR, S can be gotten. Joshua Gray played for our assistant OL coach and can be gotten in 4 th or 5 th round. Was best OL at the Shrine Bowl. I think we target him in mid rounds. 

3rd will be the sweet spot for RBs, I like Skattebo there.

Dennis Allen likes big DEs, that eliminates most higher rated edge players. Landon Jackson, Nic Scourton , Shemar Stewart, Jordan Burch all fit that mold . I expect one of them.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

IMO - It has to be LOT, EDGE, 3Tech or trade back.  I haven't looked at the TE's, but if there's a Brock Bowers out there, get him.

I agree, at pick 10 you need to get a BPA  especially a a premium position like LT, DE/3T.  We better not be near 10 or 15 ever again while Caleb is our QB.  Get that premium position locked in while you can. 

[adam]

Consensus Big Board Top 15 Players (by position)

QB - #1 Ward, #4 Sanders
Edge - #2 Carter, #12 Walker, #13 Stewart, #15 Williams
WR - #8 McMillan 
CB - #3 Hunter, #10 Johnson 
OT - #6 Campbell, #9 Membou, #14 Banks
DT - #5 Graham 
RB - #7 Jeanty
TE - #11 Warren

Consensus Big Board: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2025/consensus-big-board-2025

If the Bears pick at 10, the most likely pool of players will be:
Membou, Johnson, Warren, Walker, Stewart, Banks, and Williams

6 of those 7 should be available at #10. 

For what it is worth, that site has Shemar Stewart going to the Bears at #10. He is currently ranked 13th. Unless they trade down, there is almost a 100% chance that the Bears pick one of those guys unless someone like Jeanty falls to the Bears at 10. I don't think Graham or Campbell will fall to 10. 

[adam]

Actually walking thru the teams and their needs, this seems like the most realistic path, leaving the Bears will a few players to choose from at 10:

1. Ward, QB (TEN) - picking a QB
2. Hunter, CB (CLE) - Already have Garrett locked up, can't afford to use on Carter
3. Carter, Edge (NYG) - Carter falls to them
4. Campbell, OL (NE) - Need OL 
5. Graham, DL (JAX) - Need DL
6. Jeanty, RB (LVR) - Need RB
7. Sanders, QB (NYJ) - Even with the Fields signing, this would actually make sense for Sanders to sit a year.
8. Walker, Edge (CAR) - Need Edge or TE
9. Johnson, CB  (NO) - Need CBs
10. McMillan/Membou/Warren/Stewart? 

If there is no true elite player left, trading down looks like an option for a team looking for a QB.

[adam]

Taking the 4 most likely:

1. McMillan - immediate starter at WR3

2. Membou - competes with Jones for starting LT, if not, backup OT

3. Warren - TE2

4. Stewart - Edge2 or Edge3, Edge rotation

[AZ54]

If we’re stuck at 10 my options are

 Josh Simmons.  Depends on health but watch the OSU pro day and if we grab a team visit later in the process.  LT of the future.  
 

Armand Membou.  Elite athlete.  Less than ideal arm length but good enough with his feet.  He needs coaching on technique.   
 

Kenneth Grant.   Elite athlete.  Stud for both run D and pass rush as NT.   Fast enough to chase down RBs.  I won’t complain one bit about having an elite Dline. 

https://www.totalprosports.com/ncaa/kenneth-grant-michigan-wolverines-340-pound-tackle-penn-state/

Mason Graham should he drop   
 

I don’t like the DE value at 10   I feel we can get a similar player at 39.    

 

[AZ54]

Don’t ask me about a RB at 10 in the deepest RB draft in a decade.  

[dawhizz]

I appreciate the comments on what the options are likely to be or what position we should be taking there (I generally agree!), but I’m more looking to see someone make a real case for the guy you think we should take and why. Because as much as we can say “take a LT” or “get a 3T” or “need an edge”, as reflected in my original post,  have a real hard time making a good case for a particular OT, 3T, or Edge that is likely to be available that is a good fit for the Bears at #10. 

[BearFan PHX]

I can make a case for Kelvin Banks Jr as a LT.

I cant make the case that there isn't an edge rusher we should take instead, because I havent seen enough film this year, but Ive seen some on Banks, and he could be very good for us at LT. I definitely prefer him over Will Campbell. Even arm length notwithstanding, Campbell plays too high for my taste. AZ54 showed me some good film on that, and then the subsequent film Ive seen confirms it to my eye.

I dont like Campbell at T OR G.

And it's funny, because about a month ago, I saw a highlight film of Campbell and came on here and said he was a beast. Its so funny how a highlight film can make you feel one way, and then actually watching full games against quality opponents tells you a completely different story.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I can make a case for Kelvin Banks Jr as a LT.

I cant make the case that there isn't an edge rusher we should take instead, because I havent seen enough film this year, but Ive seen some on Banks, and he could be very good for us at LT. I definitely prefer him over Will Campbell. Even arm length notwithstanding, Campbell plays too high for my taste. AZ54 showed me some good film on that, and then the subsequent film Ive seen confirms it to my eye.

I dont like Campbell at T OR G.

And it's funny, because about a month ago, I saw a highlight film of Campbell and came on here and said he was a beast. Its so funny how a highlight film can make you feel one way, and then actually watching full games against quality opponents tells you a completely different story.

I said premium position...LT, DE or DT. 

So who... Will Campbell, many experts say he is a player.  His technique may need refining, but he's regarded as the top LT.   Kelvin Banks LT, he has proven to be a top player during his tenure.  Josh Simmons, my third choice.  He is a bit more raw but has the tools the others don't.  

We may have Braxton and Kiran, but these are first round prospects that play the 2nd most premium position on offense.  We might not get a shot at one again.  Our last great was Covert?

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I said premium position...LT, DE or DT.

Im confused? I said Kelvin Banks Jr as LT?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

43 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Im confused? I said Kelvin Banks Jr as LT?

I meant to reply under Dawizz, sorry. 

And I didn't throw names out under my first reply because the names are always the same. I prefer to a premium player at a premium position at top 10 if we can.

The player we draft at 10, needs to be a good/great Bear 8 years from now. 

[BearFan PHX]

12 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I meant to reply under Dawizz, sorry. 

And I didn't throw names out under my first reply because the names are always the same. I prefer to a premium player at a premium position at top 10 if we can.

The player we draft at 10, needs to be a good/great Bear 8 years from now. 

ah ok, i was confused!

Im not sure that pro bowl 8 year player is going to be available at pick 10.

I would be happy with Banks though, i think he can help us win, and he could possibly still be our LT 8 years from now...

[ASHKUM BEAR]

11 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

ah ok, i was confused!

Im not sure that pro bowl 8 year player is going to be available at pick 10.

I would be happy with Banks though, i think he can help us win, and he could possibly still be our LT 8 years from 

The 8byear starter is the "good", great would be the probowler ...lol. 

There are 4 OTs worthy around slot 10.  That is the only position left to upgrade.  Jones is not a slouch, but do we want the 15th ranked or 5th ranked.  We don't know how much time Kiran needs to learn and adjust, but if he is better that is better for the Bears.  

You cannot have enough Oline and Dline talent.  Otherwise you are trading, signing, and scrap picking year after year.

 

[Stinger226]

I don't think we draft Simmons because of injury. We got Kiran last year and just don't think Poles drafts that type again. I would have no problem with Banks or Membou or Grant. Although I think we could move back and still get all of those choices. I think Membou is the second T off the board. Booker will be high but Membou can play OG also if needed. 

The second round is where a lot of our fits will be drafted. Pundits say it's not top heavy with blue chip players at the top but above average in the next tier.20 to 50. i would even move out of the first round to get extra top 50 picks. 

[AZ54]

On Kenneth Grant I can find highlights and multiple breakdowns of his game.  If you like the stats side of it Adam Mason does a good job of summarizing it.   People will focus on value but he's easily a top 20 player and there are plenty of pundits thinking he's top 15.  We have a glaring need for a player of his caliber on the defensive interior.  I'm not going to worry about 5 spots of draft value.   

In this draft the top 10 aren't nearly as good as last year's top 10 players.  In terms of draft grades on NFL Network Kelvin Banks 6.42,  Grant 6.36.   I'm not as high on Banks as others at LT.  I'll have to watch more film on him again to clarify why he didn't stand out to me.  

Why Grant over Derrick Harmon who has a 6.38 grade?   Agility and speed.  Harmon is powerful but has tightness and more of a linear ahtlete, similar to Dexter.  Good players for sure but we've got one of them already.  Grant will be more effective on stunts IMO and can play multiple positions even some 3-tech.  He'll also be better off chasing some of these fast young QBs because he can turn and run.  

For me the best justification:  Bears fans deserve another Refrigerator.

 

[dawhizz]

12 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

On Kenneth Grant I can find highlights and multiple breakdowns of his game.  If you like the stats side of it Adam Mason does a good job of summarizing it.   People will focus on value but he's easily a top 20 player and there are plenty of pundits thinking he's top 15.  We have a glaring need for a player of his caliber on the defensive interior.  I'm not going to worry about 5 spots of draft value.   

In this draft the top 10 aren't nearly as good as last year's top 10 players.  In terms of draft grades on NFL Network Kelvin Banks 6.42,  Grant 6.36.   I'm not as high on Banks as others at LT.  I'll have to watch more film on him again to clarify why he didn't stand out to me.  

Why Grant over Derrick Harmon who has a 6.38 grade?   Agility and speed.  Harmon is powerful but has tightness and more of a linear ahtlete, similar to Dexter.  Good players for sure but we've got one of them already.  Grant will be more effective on stunts IMO and can play multiple positions even some 3-tech.  He'll also be better off chasing some of these fast young QBs because he can turn and run.  

For me the best justification:  Bears fans deserve another Refrigerator.

 

You want another Fridge, may I introduce JJ Pegues. I’m mildly obsessed with him because he looks like a good d-lineman and I can’t wait to see what Johnson would dial up for him on offense. 
 

 

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

On Kenneth Grant I can find highlights and multiple breakdowns of his game.  If you like the stats side of it Adam Mason does a good job of summarizing it.   People will focus on value but he's easily a top 20 player and there are plenty of pundits thinking he's top 15.  We have a glaring need for a player of his caliber on the defensive interior.  I'm not going to worry about 5 spots of draft value.   

In this draft the top 10 aren't nearly as good as last year's top 10 players.  In terms of draft grades on NFL Network Kelvin Banks 6.42,  Grant 6.36.   I'm not as high on Banks as others at LT.  I'll have to watch more film on him again to clarify why he didn't stand out to me.  

Why Grant over Derrick Harmon who has a 6.38 grade?   Agility and speed.  Harmon is powerful but has tightness and more of a linear ahtlete, similar to Dexter.  Good players for sure but we've got one of them already.  Grant will be more effective on stunts IMO and can play multiple positions even some 3-tech.  He'll also be better off chasing some of these fast young QBs because he can turn and run.  

For me the best justification:  Bears fans deserve another Refrigerator.

 

To be honest, I would be happy with any of those names. They do the most research and I trust them to make the right decision.

[Mongo3451]

9 hours ago, dawhizz said:

You want another Fridge, may I introduce JJ Pegues. I’m mildly obsessed with him because he looks like a good d-lineman and I can’t wait to see what Johnson would dial up for him on offense. 
 

 

If he ever totally dedicates, he would be great.  Boom or bust.

[adam]

The Bears last 3 first-round picks are all on offense. I know that is not the highest priority, but to have a balanced roster, that probably needs to even out over time. Like if they have equal grades on two different players, one offense, one defense, I would not be surprised if they went defense at #10 (or after a trade back). 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

43 minutes ago, adam said:

The Bears last 3 first-round picks are all on offense. I know that is not the highest priority, but to have a balanced roster, that probably needs to even out over time. Like if they have equal grades on two different players, one offense, one defense, I would not be surprised if they went defense at #10 (or after a trade back). 

It's possible.  I really like the thought of Kenneth Grant on the D-line to push Billings. It depends on how we have guys graded.  We might get that same graded talent in rd 2.  

[Stinger226]

I think this year we are more likely to take BPA than  in other years at 10 . Since the Dline is a strength in the draft, probably Dline  and OL at 39-41. The first round is up to who drops. I expect we move down to add picks. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I really think unless they have Avery high grade on an LT or DE there, or they have the TE or RB super elite - they are best moving down (but they need another team willing to move up).

The one wildcard - is there an elite LB or DB available? If so - even if not a position of need, I can see Bear surprising us there.

 

But given needs and depth (with lack of elite likely at 10)…if they can get something to move back 7-10 spots, I think it would be worth it. Than take the back or move back one more time and take Hampton and than go with a TE, Guard, Tackle (Simmons) and a linemen or two with the slew of 2nd and 3rds they would have from moving back.