#10 Mock Draft Selection

[adam]

One of these guys will be there at 10, pick your guy in the poll, then post them 1-5 in the comments for your order.

[Mongo3451]

I wish a DE was in the poll.  I chose Jeanty because I believe he'll be a immediate difference maker.  After that, Warren and Membou.

[adam]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I wish a DE was in the poll.  I chose Jeanty because I believe he'll be a immediate difference maker.  After that, Warren and Membou.

Which one? After Carter, it seems like a crapshoot between Williams, Stewart, Walker, Green, and Pearce. That was the challenge for me. Which one would you choose, and where would they rank amongst the guys above?

My order is Jeanty, Warren, McMillan, Johnson, Membou. It just feels like everyone is too low on Jones and are not considering Amegadjie, who just needs better coaching. So if feels like OL at #10 would be a waste as you need an immediate starter there. Jeanty is a no-brainer, and Warren is a close second as he would compliment Kmet well.

[BearFan PHX]

I went with the TE, but i could easily have gone with Jeanty if I had two votes.

If Kelvin Banks Jr had been on the list, Id have picked him first though.

EDIT - after more research, I had TE Warren's type confused with Colston Loveland, so now I wish I'd taken McMillan or Jeanty.

[adam]

18 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I went with the TE, but i could easily have gone with Jeanty if I had two votes.

If Kelvin Banks Jr had been on the list, Id have picked him first though.

So Banks over Jones? I don't know much about him, how much of an upgrade would that be?

[Mongo3451]

5 minutes ago, adam said:

So Banks over Jones? I don't know much about him, how much of an upgrade would that be?

Me too on Banks.  More proven.  To answer your other question.  James Pierce

[BearFan PHX]

31 minutes ago, adam said:

So Banks over Jones? I don't know much about him, how much of an upgrade would that be?

For sure! I think Banks is probably the best OT in the draft.

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

For sure! I think Banks is probably the best OT in the draft.

Simmons is my top ranked OT.  He didn’t make the list either.  Nor did my favorite top 20. DT Grant.  DE prospects around pick 10 is like a wasteland.  Both Warren and Jeanty  make the team better for sure.  
 

given our lack of a decent third WR you can make a very good argument for Warren and more Two TE sets.  Run or pass we’ll choose.  

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Simmons is my top ranked OT.  He didn’t make the list either.  Nor did my favorite top 20. DT Grant.  DE prospects around pick 10 is like a wasteland.  Both Warren and Jeanty  make the team better for sure.  
 

given our lack of a decent third WR you can make a very good argument for Warren and more Two TE sets.  Run or pass we’ll choose.  

My only problem with Simmons is how much will he be available during training camp? Olin was talking about Kiran A, and stated after training camp, the teaching aspect is over during the regular season. When he made that start that he looked bad, it was like walking off the street and thrown into a game. Training camp is necessary for rookies. I fear the same scenario for Simmons as Kiran.

I would have no problem with Grant at 10 either.

[dawhizz]

I went with Jeanty, reluctantly. 

- I can’t take Membou when if not sure he can play LT, since he didn’t even do it in college. 

- I have four CBs I feel OK about (Johnson, Stevenson, Gordon, Smith) and first round CBs rarely make early impacts. 
-I’m warming to the idea of a 1st round WR actually given our depth chart, but I’m not sure McMillan makes sense (I’m leaning more toward a trade down to Burden). 
- I like Tyler Warren fine but we have Kmet and I want to see what he can do if given opportunities.

[Stinger226]

39 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

I went with Jeanty, reluctantly. 

- I can’t take Membou when if not sure he can play LT, since he didn’t even do it in college. 

- I have four CBs I feel OK about (Johnson, Stevenson, Gordon, Smith) and first round CBs rarely make early impacts. 
-I’m warming to the idea of a 1st round WR actually given our depth chart, but I’m not sure McMillan makes sense (I’m leaning more toward a trade down to Burden). 
- I like Tyler Warren fine but we have Kmet and I want to see what he can do if given opportunities.

I listen to a podcast and they talked about getting a high end WR would slow development of Odunze. I think if we didn't have Allen last year he would have shined better. We have 2 #1 type WRs that you are taking the ball out of their hands. Feature DJ, Odunze and Kmet and we will be a successful offense. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I went with Membou because it is suggested that he can play LT.  If Banks was an option, I would go there.   

WR- Luther Burden would be great for slot and jet sweeps but would require a trade down. 

CB - I feel between Stevenson and Smith, they should be fine with a more aggressive pass rush that Allen will call. 

TE- I'm intrigued, but feel better outside of pick 10 if going there. Kmet is capable but wasn't a part of the game plan last year. 

RB- Jentry is a strong possibility because we know Johnson uses the run game to set up the pass. 

[Stinger226]

This talks about everyone to pick at 10. https://www.youtube.com/live/h2hn0VMLF4U?si=x-ktAseJPUb4md36

[BearFan PHX]

At impact positions, arbitrary projections from NFL.com Mock draft:

We are obviously not picking a QB at 10

At Edge, The big name ends are not as heavy as Allen likes.
Abdul Carter (proj 4th) is 250 pounds
Ezeiruaku (proj 15th) is 248 pounds
Williams (proj 23rd) is 260 pounds
Tuimoloau (proj 29th) is 265 pounds
compare to Odeyingbo at 286 pounds
These are all lighter faster guys, and so I think you can rule them out at 10.

LT (or OL) would make sense, but...
Campbell has real flaws to me (plays too high, gets beat inside too much AND not wide enough when protecting outside, where shorter arms dont help) Seriously, thats the trifecta: too high, vulnerable to the outside, vulnerable to the inside. no way to me
Banks could be the pick. but admit it: you're not jumping up and down about it.
The rest:
Booker (proj 17th) is a guard, I dunno if we're spending the 10th pick on any guard, and we just paid three interior players big money. talent in the pipeline is good, but to take Booker at 10 and then have him sit feels like a weird move. Still he is a good player, so he can go on the also ran list.
Membou (proj 19th) Plays RT, but probably should be a Guard. Good technique, but undersized AND lacks killer instinct. Surely not a LT, and maybe not even a RT. I cant see him at 10. If I was gonna take a guard, it'd be Booker before Membou
Simmons (proj 20th) at least he is an actual LT. He is a good physical specimen, but he makes a lot of mental errors, especially in reacting stunts. Plus he's coming off an injury. He might grow to become a good OL, but he has a way to go AND hes coming off an injury. I cant see him at 10 at all
Savaiinaea (proj 28) is a project at guard. not even a mid first round pick.
Conerly (proj 32) needs to add strength. He is a developmental player with good upside after a year in the weight room.

We know the offensive skill players are
WR Travis Hunter will be long gone before we pick
HB Ashton Jeanty (proj 6)
TE Warren (proj 9) Jeremy Shockey comp, big, tough rumbling, may not be able to beat man coverages in the NFL. Gets manhandled more than you want for a physical type with no real vertical threat. Honestly Kmet is better at this. I dont think he is a Johnson fit
TE Loveland (proj 16) More of a power forward giant receiver than a pure bruiser. 6' 6" 248 makes him a monster in the slot, not unlike Sam Laporta did for Johnson in Detroit. I think this is the kind of mismatch player that Johnson covets. If you cover him with a LB, he's open, if you use a DB, he will use his height and strength, or you run the ball.
WR McMillan (proj 12th) big target, can work the middle and provide a similar benefit as Loveland, but he has the speed to challenge deep too, so if Johnson wants to make his LaPorta a tall slot receiver instead of a TE, McMillian could fit the bill. Hes got great hands - a possession receiver at 6' 5" runs a 4.5 40, wins contested catches so more of a physical threat

We have no need at LB and no MLB superstars are available.

At S, there is only Malakai Starks (proj  22)  to consider. He's a hard hitter, great against the run. Can play S or Nickel. Gets caught on breaks in man coverage sometimes. Maybe a replacement for Brisker. A great toy for Allen?
honorable mention to Nick Emmanwori (proj 55) - another big physical safety who has some zone coverage issues but has tremendous size and speed to match up with TEs, and come down into the box against the run

I will leave CBs and DTs unexplored, because I havent really done any work on them yet.


So first round pick players I would be happy to see in a Bears uniform are:

OT Kelvin Banks Jr
OG Tyler Booker
HB Ashton Jeanty
TE Colston Loveland
WR Tetairoa McMillan
S Malakai Starks
S Nick Emmanwori (I have a first round grade on him, if we get him in the 2nd round, Ill be thrilled)
WR Travis Hunter
(and CBs and DTs I havent scouted yet)

I think Banks Jr, Jeanty, Loveland or McMillan are most likely at #10 if we dont trade down and will be the pick unless a CB or DT I havent scouted yet makes the grade.

Don't sleep on Loveland or McMillan! They are auditioning for very similar roles, and we need that kind of player.






 

[jason]

I didn’t choose the name; I chose the position. And, yes, I chose OT.

Picking RB is crazy to me. Classic Bears move. RB is overvalued. Less important. Get the right OL and it doesn’t matter. 

[BearFan PHX]

21 minutes ago, jason said:

I didn’t choose the name; I chose the position. And, yes, I chose OT.

Picking RB is crazy to me. Classic Bears move. RB is overvalued. Less important. Get the right OL and it doesn’t matter. 

you gotta look at the guy tho - Banks Jr, sure. Some like Cambpell, i dont, but I could get that. But Membou? Hes a RT who will probably play guard and is short for each.

[Stinger226]

25 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

you gotta look at the guy tho - Banks Jr, sure. Some like Cambpell, i dont, but I could get that. But Membou? Hes a RT who will probably play guard and is short for each.

The best RB in the league last year only had one contract. Between injuries and contract demands, they never stay with one team for a career. Jeanty would be splitting carries with Swift, just look at Detroit and snaps. We don't have a premium roster yet to add a last piece. Trade back is the only scenario and add picks and then take a RB. The RB from NC is rated higher than Jeanty by some pundits. 

Seen a draft review of Banks. He was playing great his first 5 games last year, then broke something , came back and played bad. Who you getting the before or after Banks? 

[BearFan PHX]

29 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

The best RB in the league last year only had one contract. Between injuries and contract demands, they never stay with one team for a career. Jeanty would be splitting carries with Swift, just look at Detroit and snaps. We don't have a premium roster yet to add a last piece. Trade back is the only scenario and add picks and then take a RB. The RB from NC is rated higher than Jeanty by some pundits. 

Seen a draft review of Banks. He was playing great his first 5 games last year, then broke something , came back and played bad. Who you getting the before or after Banks? 

serious question, was Johnson wrong to draft Gibbs at #12 in 2023?

[BearFan PHX]

Here are four 2 round Mocks on DraftBuzz with no trades.

In all four, i got S Nick Emmanwori in the second round. A good replacement for Brisker.

In 2 of them I got HB Ashton Jeanty at 10, paired with either TE Coleston Loveland or G Tyler Booker

In the other 2, I got HB Omarion Hampton in the 2nd round, paired with either OT Kelvin Banks Jr or WR Tetairoa McMillan with the #10 pick

I have a hard time believing the talent that was still available in the 2nd round in this mock, but I would be thrilled with any of these drafts if they happened.

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

serious question, was Johnson wrong to draft Gibbs at #12 in 2023?

Their offensive line was already built and they added the final pieces to finish the offense. Signed Monty and had 2 first round picks, of which Gibbs was one of them. Their team was farther along in development than we are right now. What I find interesting is, the player comparison for Gibbs was Swift. 

[adam]

The more this is discussed, and I know you need a partner, but a trade down seems like the best option.

So I guess the question becomes, if there is a trade down scenario to say SEA at #18 with #50 for 10, which players are you taking instead of that trade down scenario?

 

If the Bears get to 10 and Campbell is there AND SEA wants to trade, do you take Campbell or the trade? Which players would you take over the trade, assuming at least that Carter and Hunter are the two non-QBs that are gone for sure?

Is Jeanty worth it? Warren? Banks? Which one player is worth sticking with 10 for?

[Mongo3451]

31 minutes ago, adam said:

The more this is discussed, and I know you need a partner, but a trade down seems like the best option.

So I guess the question becomes, if there is a trade down scenario to say SEA at #18 with #50 for 10, which players are you taking instead of that trade down scenario?

 

If the Bears get to 10 and Campbell is there AND SEA wants to trade, do you take Campbell or the trade? Which players would you take over the trade, assuming at least that Carter and Hunter are the two non-QBs that are gone for sure?

Is Jeanty worth it? Warren? Banks? Which one player is worth sticking with 10 for?

I tried to get the #18 trade offer and settled for the #16.  I love the first four picks.

[adam]

5 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I tried to get the #18 trade offer and settled for the #16.  I love the first four picks.

I like it, DLine would be insane.

[adam]

I know trades are hard, but if THE guy is not there at 10, it feels like a trade is a real possibility. With 2x 2nds, I could also see a trade back to the later half of the 2nd with a team wanting to move up early on Day 2. The hauls for moving back from 10 AND moving down from 39 is crazy. 

I keep getting SEA 18 and 50 to move back from 10. Then to move back from 39, I got HOU 58 and 79. So the updated picks look like:
1 - 18
2 - 41, 50, 58
3 - 72, 79
5 - 148
7 - 233, 240

4 picks in the first two rounds would be amazing, and 6 in the top 80? 

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I tried to get the #18 trade offer and settled for the #16.  I love the first four picks.

As much as I like all those players, there's no way we are drafting 3 DL with our first 3 picks. The first 2 picks are awesome but I think they pick an OL with pick 41. A RB instead of a WR at 47 and they may wait until 72 for that. I do like Martinez as our power back.