#10 Mock Draft Selection

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Aaron Donald is not in this draft. Harmon gets a ton of pressure but is a poor tackler. Has a 40% tackle rate. 

 

of course he isnt, Im just saying while you dont draft a bunch of positions early if you already have good starters, you can always find room for talent on the defensive line, even if you have an already crowded room. The Eagles gave us all a master class in that this past year.

Someone mentioned above that we already have a bunch of names on the DL, and we've probably all thought that too, but if you believe in a guy, theres always room for one more. Thats all I mean.

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

of course he isnt, Im just saying while you dont draft a bunch of positions early if you already have good starters, you can always find room for talent on the defensive line, even if you have an already crowded room. The Eagles gave us all a master class in that this past year.

Someone mentioned above that we already have a bunch of names on the DL, and we've probably all thought that too, but if you believe in a guy, theres always room for one more. Thats all I mean.

That applies to every position on the field, better depth. DL is quite different than most positions because they rotate players in and out. You need 4 we don't have 4 quality players at DT and DE.

[dawhizz]

Saw this mock draft today that has the Bears trading #10 plus their 2 2nd round picks for #3 and a late third (#99) to take Abdul Carter. In one hand, I’m not enamored with the likely choices at #10, and consider Carter a blue chip pick at probably the Bears’ biggest need. On the other, I love the choices the Bears are likely to have in the second round. What say you?
 

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2025-nfl-mock-draft-abdul-carter-chicago-bears-new-york-giants-jalen-milroe-jaxson-dart-cam-ward-shedeur-sanders

[Stinger226]

They are already down 2 draft picks,no way they are losing more assets. Carter may be the one player worth trading up for but they need more than one person. Poles probably wants to trade back to the strength of the draft 2nd and third round picks to fill needs. I would say 5 top 72 is more valuable than one top 5 and 2 3rd rounders. 

[BearFan PHX]

9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

That applies to every position on the field, better depth. DL is quite different than most positions because they rotate players in and out. You need 4 we don't have 4 quality players at DT and DE.

Right, that's what Im saying. You dont draft depth early as a rule, you draft early for starters, but because the DL rotates, you can have more than 4 "starters" so a crowded room isnt a reason not to take a highly talented player. You can always use more on the DL.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Looked over some mocks this afternoon and what else can the sites post at this point but crazy twists.

The Bears will start their final process soon. They will have players they will move up as high to pick 5 if Carter, Jeantry, or maybe even Graham are their highest coveted guy.  They will have a group they stay put for and of course trade down scenarios so they can hit the sweet spot with another player. 

I think we all see the need for DE and DT.  O-line can use some quality depth and LT is a place for an upgrade if there is a player.  RB is deep and getting a scheme fit player to challenge Swift who is known not to follow the script would be something the Bears will search for.  TE, WR3, S, LB round out the wish list. 

To jump to the top of the North is the goal. I feel DE, DT, and RB are the 3 keys now to make it.   Coaching and Oline upgrades were the highest and have been addressed.  Nail those 3 positions and the Bears have a shot.

[adam]

A very cool page on NFL.com, using AI to provide insight:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/iq/

Basically they are saying the Bears will pick one of the players in the pic with #10 or trade down.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Looked over some mocks this afternoon and what else can the sites post at this point but crazy twists.

The Bears will start their final process soon. They will have players they will move up as high to pick 5 if Carter, Jeantry, or maybe even Graham are their highest coveted guy.  They will have a group they stay put for and of course trade down scenarios so they can hit the sweet spot with another player. 

I think we all see the need for DE and DT.  O-line can use some quality depth and LT is a place for an upgrade if there is a player.  RB is deep and getting a scheme fit player to challenge Swift who is known not to follow the script would be something the Bears will search for.  TE, WR3, S, LB round out the wish list. 

To jump to the top of the North is the goal. I feel DE, DT, and RB are the 3 keys now to make it.   Coaching and Oline upgrades were the highest and have been addressed.  Nail those 3 positions and the Bears have a shot.

Can't disagree with anything you said.

[BearFan PHX]

Hey Stinger, you might get a laugh out of this. Erik Lambert has back to back articles today saying the Bears will draft Jeanty, and the other saying they will draft Henderson. All within an hour of eachother. LOL

My prediction is that the Bears will take one of 35 guys with the 10th pick if they dont trade down LOL

[AZ54]

2 hours ago, adam said:

A very cool page on NFL.com, using AI to provide insight:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/iq/

Basically they are saying the Bears will pick one of the players in the pic with #10 or trade down.

AI LLM is just reading whatever data is input to it and formatting the answer the way the programmer told it to.  Mason Graham listed as top 10 not top 5 is odd.  Regardless I’m from the 1980s era of programming where the motto was garbage in garbage out.  AI hasn’t changed that.  Doesn’t mean that it’s garbage it just means we have no clue what the inputs were and how it was asked to provide outputs. The nice thing about Mel Kiper is that his mouth is usually open telling you that stuff.  

[BearFan PHX]

10 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

AI LLM is just reading whatever data is input to it and formatting the answer the way the programmer told it to.  Mason Graham listed as top 10 not top 5 is odd.  Regardless I’m from the 1980s era of programming where the motto was garbage in garbage out.  AI hasn’t changed that.  Doesn’t mean that it’s garbage it just means we have no clue what the inputs were and how it was asked to provide outputs. The nice thing about Mel Kiper is that his mouth is usually open telling you that stuff.  

100% right. For fun I had a conversation with Grok the other day who told me that Membou would make a great LT LOL - I asked it not for an answer, but to gain insight into how it would answer the question. Of course it looked at a bunch of websites and comments and repeated the narrative.

I read an article once that had a really interesting point. The author said that one of the ways we judge intelligence in animals is whether they recognize themselves in a mirror, or do they continue to think it is another animal. And given that AI LLMs are trained on human data, when we have a human experience conversing with them, and some people are convinced that they are conscious, it's just an example of us failing to notice ourselves in the mirror, or in this case in the LLM repeating our own patterns back to us.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Hey Stinger, you might get a laugh out of this. Erik Lambert has back to back articles today saying the Bears will draft Jeanty, and the other saying they will draft Henderson. All within an hour of eachother. LOL

My prediction is that the Bears will take one of 35 guys with the 10th pick if they dont trade down LOL

Cool, I have something for you.matt Bowen is on the Score regularly ( sounds like Doug Buffone) and today they talked about who at 10. He doesn't think Warren or Jeanty will be there,he said they need to take Banks at 10. As much as I like him, I don't think the bears will.

He talked about Mykel Williams is going to be a good NFL player and wouldn't be a reach at 10. I don't like people that don't have production. 5 sacks, 21 Ts. 

Mike Green 17 sacks 61 Ts

James Pierce 8 sacks 38 Ts

Princely Umanmien 11 sacks 37 Ts

Landon Jackson 7 sacks 49 Ts

Jack Sawyer 9 sacks 59 Ts

JT Tumoloau 13 sacks 61 Ts

Bradyn Swinson 9 sacks 59 Ts

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Lots of RB Ashton Jeantry Bear love starting to come out.  The Bears have been doing some homework on him. Seeing scenarios written on how the Bears might contact Jax in the next week or two to see what it would take to move up to 5.  The trade chart says one of our seconds. 

Jeantry is everything you want as a player.  He wants to learn (3.0 grades), comes from a military family (both parents) all his siblings college grads, and he turned 21 in Dec (young).  These are signs of great character to go along with his stellar game.  

Being somewhat limited on picks, would you be opposed to creating the young trio Caleb/Rome/Jeantry?  It might mean sacrificing one of the other needs DT/DE/OL.  Do the Bears absolutely have to add to these 3?  Braxton coming off surgery and Kiran unknown, I feel LT is still big.  DE Booker seems to have upside and DT Pickens should be healthy (he was hurt most of the year), so to me these two would be a coin flip to sacrafice. Or maybe Poles goes S too, since Brisker is a ticking time bomb.

[AZ54]

I enjoyed this video and the discussion from two different perspectives on DT prospects.  Good discussion on how arm length helps you in the trenches.  

 

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Lots of RB Ashton Jeantry Bear love starting to come out.  The Bears have been doing some homework on him. Seeing scenarios written on how the Bears might contact Jax in the next week or two to see what it would take to move up to 5.  The trade chart says one of our seconds. 

Jeantry is everything you want as a player.  He wants to learn (3.0 grades), comes from a military family (both parents) all his siblings college grads, and he turned 21 in Dec (young).  These are signs of great character to go along with his stellar game.  

Being somewhat limited on picks, would you be opposed to creating the young trio Caleb/Rome/Jeantry?  It might mean sacrificing one of the other needs DT/DE/OL.  Do the Bears absolutely have to add to these 3?  Braxton coming off surgery and Kiran unknown, I feel LT is still big.  DE Booker seems to have upside and DT Pickens should be healthy (he was hurt most of the year), so to me these two would be a coin flip to sacrafice. Or maybe Poles goes S too, since Brisker is a ticking time bomb.

Lots of people say they have inside sources as to what Poles will do. I don't believe in a second, he always surprises us. Dalman was a no brainer, I don't think that prediction was special news. Everyone knew right away he was going with Caleb but no one has predicted anything else. The bears brass is good for not letting information out. They very easily could take Jeanty but I don't see them moving up to get him.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Lots of RB Ashton Jeantry Bear love starting to come out.  The Bears have been doing some homework on him. Seeing scenarios written on how the Bears might contact Jax in the next week or two to see what it would take to move up to 5.  The trade chart says one of our seconds. 

Jeantry is everything you want as a player.  He wants to learn (3.0 grades), comes from a military family (both parents) all his siblings college grads, and he turned 21 in Dec (young).  These are signs of great character to go along with his stellar game.  

Being somewhat limited on picks, would you be opposed to creating the young trio Caleb/Rome/Jeantry?  It might mean sacrificing one of the other needs DT/DE/OL.  Do the Bears absolutely have to add to these 3?  Braxton coming off surgery and Kiran unknown, I feel LT is still big.  DE Booker seems to have upside and DT Pickens should be healthy (he was hurt most of the year), so to me these two would be a coin flip to sacrafice. Or maybe Poles goes S too, since Brisker is a ticking time bomb.

Yeah, you did the ONE thing I've found that I can live with to get Jeanty. Ersery in the 2nd. That makes this work for me. Nice! The edge from Ohio St would help us a lot too.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Cool, I have something for you.matt Bowen is on the Score regularly ( sounds like Doug Buffone) and today they talked about who at 10. He doesn't think Warren or Jeanty will be there,he said they need to take Banks at 10. As much as I like him, I don't think the bears will.

He talked about Mykel Williams is going to be a good NFL player and wouldn't be a reach at 10. I don't like people that don't have production. 5 sacks, 21 Ts. 

Mike Green 17 sacks 61 Ts

James Pierce 8 sacks 38 Ts

Princely Umanmien 11 sacks 37 Ts

Landon Jackson 7 sacks 49 Ts

Jack Sawyer 9 sacks 59 Ts

JT Tumoloau 13 sacks 61 Ts

Bradyn Swinson 9 sacks 59 Ts

 

 

Yeah, I get it too. I've fooled around with a few mock drafts, with the assumption that we dont need an OT, and there are a LOT of great players out there at 10 that could really help us. Jeanty would be amazing to have. There are DTs, WRs, Edge rushers, that could really make us hard to beat.

Imagine Jeanty in a Bears uniform. I get the seduction of it. My buzzkill inner voice says "Dude, be disciplined and take Banks if he is there" and that makes sense to me, but its a little boring, I get it. Imagine drafting WR Golden, or the DT from Michigan, or many of the other top 15 players - it's hard not to see what Jeanty could do for this team. So I see the attraction, even for the Bears coaching and personnel staffs. I am sure Poles has had that warm feeling of Jeanty being the next great back for Chicago. Hard not to.

But for me, I take Banks (if hes there) and then try to get Iowa HB Kaleb Johnson with one of our 2nds, and then the other one goes to help on defense, or a pass catcher be it WR or TE.

It sure would be nice to see Jeanty, or Golden, or a monster on defense, and if you believe in Jones and Amagadje, you get to add that stud to our team. Then again, check out Kaleb Johnson's tape. He's really good. He's my HB2. And he could well be there at pick 39.

[BearFan PHX]

28 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Lots of people say they have inside sources as to what Poles will do. I don't believe in a second, he always surprises us. Dalman was a no brainer, I don't think that prediction was special news. Everyone knew right away he was going with Caleb but no one has predicted anything else. The bears brass is good for not letting information out. They very easily could take Jeanty but I don't see them moving up to get him.

Yeah, I dont think this time of year anyone has any clear view of what Poles will do. I believe stories that leak out 3 months after the draft possibly, but not now here weeks before the draft. Poles himself must have a pretty good idea, but still doesnt know, and cant control who gets picked ahead of us anyway.

Some small facts might leak out; if they went to dinner with a player, or a player tweets something etc

But Lamberts page right now is all rumors, and they are fun, but taken all together, we are absolutely drafting 15 different players at pick 10 LOL And Lambert NEVER says Banks LOL It's always Campbell or Membou. So screw him! LOL

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Cool, I have something for you.matt Bowen is on the Score regularly ( sounds like Doug Buffone) and today they talked about who at 10. He doesn't think Warren or Jeanty will be there,he said they need to take Banks at 10. As much as I like him, I don't think the bears will.

He talked about Mykel Williams is going to be a good NFL player and wouldn't be a reach at 10. I don't like people that don't have production. 5 sacks, 21 Ts. 

Mike Green 17 sacks 61 Ts

James Pierce 8 sacks 38 Ts

Princely Umanmien 11 sacks 37 Ts

Landon Jackson 7 sacks 49 Ts

Jack Sawyer 9 sacks 59 Ts

JT Tumoloau 13 sacks 61 Ts

Bradyn Swinson 9 sacks 59 Ts

 

 

Green is a BEAST btw. We all don't talk enough about him I think.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

Green is a BEAST btw. We all don't talk enough about him I think.

I think the reason Green isn't rated high is some of his off the field problems he's had. Don't remember what they were. DUI or arrest for something. 17 sacks is great but having 61 Ts is a very active player.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I think the reason Green isn't rated high is some of his off the field problems he's had. Don't remember what they were. DUI or arrest for something. 17 sacks is great but having 61 Ts is a very active player.

yes that's it exactly. How many teams passed on Randy Moss, or Warren Sapp. I mean you gotta do your homework. You dont need angels, but you want to be sure youre getting Randy Moss and not Antonio Brown of course.

[Lucky Luciano]

10 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Lots of RB Ashton Jeantry Bear love starting to come out.  The Bears have been doing some homework on him. Seeing scenarios written on how the Bears might contact Jax in the next week or two to see what it would take to move up to 5.  The trade chart says one of our seconds. 

Jeantry is everything you want as a player.  He wants to learn (3.0 grades), comes from a military family (both parents) all his siblings college grads, and he turned 21 in Dec (young).  These are signs of great character to go along with his stellar game. 

 

am i misreading this? trade a 2nd round draft pick to move up and pick a 5'9 running back at #5? if so, i am TOTALLY against that scenario. even picking a 5'9 or 5'8 running back is questionable at #10. at that size his receiving skills are questionable and anyone covering him has size on him. i just don't see it. if poles does that he is nuts.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 hours ago, Lucky Luciano said:

am i misreading this? trade a 2nd round draft pick to move up and pick a 5'9 running back at #5? if so, i am TOTALLY against that scenario. even picking a 5'9 or 5'8 running back is questionable at #10. at that size his receiving skills are questionable and anyone covering him has size on him. i just don't see it. if poles does that he is nuts.

If the Bears believe he is the type of RB that would elevate the offense, it is possible.  I would prefer taking the best LT, DT, or DE myself, but there is chatter that the Bears really like Jeantry.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

10 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Lots of people say they have inside sources as to what Poles will do. I don't believe in a second, he always surprises us. Dalman was a no brainer, I don't think that prediction was special news. Everyone knew right away he was going with Caleb but no one has predicted anything else. The bears brass is good for not letting information out. They very easily could take Jeanty but I don't see them moving up to get him.

It is rumors, not actually reports. The only truth to the Bears and Jean try is they have spoken to coaches.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

20 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

If the Bears believe he is the type of RB that would elevate the offense, it is possible.  I would prefer taking the best LT, DT, or DE myself, but there is chatter that the Bears really like Jeantry.

If Jeanty is there at 10, I can live with it, as long as they didn't have a high grade on an OT or Dline or DB.  Moving up for him - good grief.  I would be more comfortable moving around / down with Rnd 1 and than using some of that leverage to move around in Day 2 (plus having some extra day 2 picks). That presumes they have high grades on the next set of backs (ie. both OSU backs, the Iowa back, I'm going to exclude Hampton since it seems like he is going to go in Round 1).