#10 Mock Draft Selection

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think we are all overlooking Kaleb Johnson. He's my #2 back after Jeanty, and I think we can get him in the 2nd round.

I think it goes
10 Banks
39 Kaleb Johnson
41 BPA of DL, S, WR or TE

Obviously Jeanty is the stud RB in the draft but several that would be a fit on our team. I think he wants a power back for short yardage or a burner to go with Swift. Johnson, Hampton, Judkins and Cam Skattebo fit that mold. Speed would be Tuten, Brashard Smith and Jayden Blue. They're several others that would be good picks in this draft. 

I just don't think he goes Jeanty ( if available) in the first round. 

I'm intrigued by Cam Skattebo and probably could get him in the third round. He smacks people. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

15 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think we are all overlooking Kaleb Johnson. He's my #2 back after Jeanty, and I think we can get him in the 2nd round.

I think it goes
10 Banks
39 Kaleb Johnson
41 BPA of DL, S, WR or TE

I like Kaleb as well. I’m a Hawkeye fan and he was excellent. His 40 was a bit slow but he is a good back and he played faster than the 40. 

[BearFan PHX]

36 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I like Kaleb as well. I’m a Hawkeye fan and he was excellent. His 40 was a bit slow but he is a good back and he played faster than the 40. 

Yeah, KJ is great!

I also think the idea that a HB will be a home run hitter isn't necessary. The purpose of a HB is to move the chains, and force the defense to come down into the box, influence safeties away from coverage, and open up play action passes.

Id take 5 15 yard carries in a game over one 75 yard carry.

And KJ DOES break runs all the time. It's OK if he gets chased down.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

57 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yeah, KJ is great!

I also think the idea that a HB will be a home run hitter isn't necessary. The purpose of a HB is to move the chains, and force the defense to come down into the box, influence safeties away from coverage, and open up play action passes.

Id take 5 15 yard carries in a game over one 75 yard carry.

And KJ DOES break runs all the time. It's OK if he gets chased down.

I think they want a 3 down type or back. Doesn’t mean they won’t use Swift and Johnson but they don’t want a niche guy in this draft imo. They either get a speed guy who is a 3 down guy or a power back who can still catch. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

58 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yeah, KJ is great!

I also think the idea that a HB will be a home run hitter isn't necessary. The purpose of a HB is to move the chains, and force the defense to come down into the box, influence safeties away from coverage, and open up play action passes.

Id take 5 15 yard carries in a game over one 75 yard carry.

And KJ DOES break runs all the time. It's OK if he gets chased down.

Henderson, OSU backs or Jeanty I’m in on. Hampton too - but my guess is Hampton is gone before the Bears pick in 2nd round. 

[BearFan PHX]

11 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I think they want a 3 down type or back. Doesn’t mean they won’t use Swift and Johnson but they don’t want a niche guy in this draft imo. They either get a speed guy who is a 3 down guy or a power back who can still catch. 

I think KJ is a 3 down back. He's not the speediest, but he is fast enough to break away. He hits the holes quick, doesnt dance around, and is always moving forward. He's also got a super clean lateral shift, that leaves unblocked defenders with nothing but air, and it doesnt seem to slow his forward progress down when he makes those cuts. That's really impressive.

I guess my biggest concern with KJ is that on all his big runs (and there are plenty of them) the blocking all looks really clean. Iowa did a great job up front, and so Iw ish there was more film on him when the blocking fails and he still makes something of it.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

23 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think KJ is a 3 down back. He's not the speediest, but he is fast enough to break away. He hits the holes quick, doesnt dance around, and is always moving forward. He's also got a super clean lateral shift, that leaves unblocked defenders with nothing but air, and it doesnt seem to slow his forward progress down when he makes those cuts. That's really impressive.

I guess my biggest concern with KJ is that on all his big runs (and there are plenty of them) the blocking all looks really clean. Iowa did a great job up front, and so Iw ish there was more film on him when the blocking fails and he still makes something of it.

I agree with you regarding him as a 3 down block and I do think him and Swift would be a real nice pair - both are diverse which means defenses will have a hard time knowing what is coming / defending what they bring. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I agree with you regarding him as a 3 down block and I do think him and Swift would be a real nice pair - both are diverse which means defenses will have a hard time knowing what is coming / defending what they bring. 

I agree. Id love to see KJ in a Bears unifomr, and it would be thrilling to see Jeanty in a Bears uniform too!

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I think they want a 3 down type or back. Doesn’t mean they won’t use Swift and Johnson but they don’t want a niche guy in this draft imo. They either get a speed guy who is a 3 down guy or a power back who can still catch. 

I have to disagree, Johnson talked about weapons. Using several different backs challenges the defense more, keeps them off balance.

In 2023 lions could have had  BJan Robinson, instead they traded back and took Gibbs. Johnson was asked about that, and he said , we wanted weapons. 

I think they do want a pounder to use late in games as they have Montgomery, several could fill that role. I forget to mention before Damien Martinez as a RB that fits. Watch his tape, he runs over people.

As much as Jeanty would be a great addition, he is not getting 90% of the carries in Johnson's offense. Of which I think drafting him at 10 is unlikely.

Last year, Montgomery had 185 carries and Gibbs had 250. 

For comparison Bjan Robinson had 304 carries.

[BearFan PHX]

The Eagles rode Saquon Barkley pretty hard, but even they split carries. I think all teams do, even with feature backs.

Saquon got 345 carries
Hurts ran it 150 times
Other HBs ran it 108 times

So even just among HBs, Barkley carried it 76% of the time. 1 out of 4 it wasnt him, not even counting the Hurts carries, WR end arounds etc.

So I think you can have a feature back, and still rotate guys in and out to keep them fresh, or "have weapons"

Gibbs 250 Carries
Montgomery 185 carries

Between Gibbs and Monty, Gibbs carried it 57% of the time.

If you take Jeanty, you're still gonna give it to other guys.
If you take Kaleb Johnson, you're definitely going with a rotation.

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

The Eagles rode Saquon Barkley pretty hard, but even they split carries. I think all teams do, even with feature backs.

Saquon got 345 carries
Hurts ran it 150 times
Other HBs ran it 108 times

So even just among HBs, Barkley carried it 76% of the time. 1 out of 4 it wasnt him, not even counting the Hurts carries, WR end arounds etc.

So I think you can have a feature back, and still rotate guys in and out to keep them fresh, or "have weapons"

Gibbs 250 Carries
Montgomery 185 carries

Between Gibbs and Monty, Gibbs carried it 57% of the time.

If you take Jeanty, you're still gonna give it to other guys.
If you take Kaleb Johnson, you're definitely going with a rotation.

Jeanty is not the best pass catcher among RBs.  I think his drop % is somewhere around 10%.  So yes, even with Jeanty there will be someone else sharing the load.  

[DABEARSDABOMB]

34 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Jeanty is not the best pass catcher among RBs.  I think his drop % is somewhere around 10%.  So yes, even with Jeanty there will be someone else sharing the load.  

Any rb will have a sharing of load. You have to. What you don’t want with a pick this high is a one dimensional back, imo. 

[Mongo3451]

32 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Any rb will have a sharing of load. You have to. What you don’t want with a pick this high is a one dimensional back, imo. 

Jeanty is not one dimensional.  He's generational at what he does.  I can't wait to see what he does.  Even though I want the Howie Roseman approach to drafting, I would welcome Jeanty with open arms...

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Ben Johnson is not going to run the Detroit Lion offense.  He will mode the offense to the talent he has. He has said this, he has hired coaches he knows little about, and he has players that are different, so this is a whole new beginning.  All we know is he likes to scheme to attack defenses. 

I think they want more at RB than Swift and Roschon, so getting a guy who is more might mean rd2 or Jeanty if he falls to 10.  The Bears haven't run the ball well for a few years and could use a top 100 player at that position.

[Stinger226]

23 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Jeanty is not one dimensional.  He's generational at what he does.  I can't wait to see what he does.  Even though I want the Howie Roseman approach to drafting, I would welcome Jeanty with open arms...

I'm not trying to trash him, I would love watching him. I just don't think the bears are going to draft him at 10. If he is available to them, I can see Poles choosing multiple picks in return.  If we still didn't have several holes to fill, it would change the situation a lot. I think 2 players away from a competent defense. We need another weapon or two to maximize Johnson's offense. AND the OL needs more depth and a LT if that's a priority to you.

I think we are one year away from adding a Warren or Jeanty to our lineup for final touches to a SB run. 

I could be off big time on my reasoning and 6 different positions could be our pick at 10.

[Stinger226]

14 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Ben Johnson is not going to run the Detroit Lion offense.  He will mode the offense to the talent he has. He has said this, he has hired coaches he knows little about, and he has players that are different, so this is a whole new beginning.  All we know is he likes to scheme to attack defenses. 

I think they want more at RB than Swift and Roschon, so getting a guy who is more might mean rd2 or Jeanty if he falls to 10.  The Bears haven't run the ball well for a few years and could use a top 100 player at that position.

You are correct, Johnson will mold the players he has but he gets the chance to add a piece to fit exactly what he wants to do. Whether Jeanty, Warren or a long shot Mathew Golden. If he sees the OL as a weakness he will want an LT, or another pass rusher on defense. Most everyone has ignored the position but we could take a shut down corner at 10 also. I think it will be at a premium position LT - Edge -RB-CB ( TE or WR) to a lesser degree. 

Him and Poles both talked about their first 4 picks were going to be looked at as a group pick. What is the best option at each spot to maximize their draft .

Can you get a quality edge at 10 or 39 or 41-72?

RB, DT LT,  ect. TE, RB and DT are deep so later rounds make sense. LT and DE are not. 

 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

24 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I'm not trying to trash him, I would love watching him. I just don't think the bears are going to draft him at 10. If he is available to them, I can see Poles choosing multiple picks in return.  If we still didn't have several holes to fill, it would change the situation a lot. I think 2 players away from a competent defense. We need another weapon or two to maximize Johnson's offense. AND the OL needs more depth and a LT if that's a priority to you.

I think we are one year away from adding a Warren or Jeanty to our lineup for final touches to a SB run. 

I could be off big time on my reasoning and 6 different positions could be our pick at 10.

I agree and think they should plug the few holes they have first on oline and dline. I just have a feeling the Bears will take Jeanty or Warren.  I won't regret it if they get two rd 2 studs like Ersery or Conley at LT or Grant or Nolen at DT. 

[Stinger226]

With every player we have talked about to nauseum, watch it ,  a surprise of someone we haven't discussed.  Will Johnson, Matt Golden, Tyleik Williams 

[Mongo3451]

13 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I'm not trying to trash him, I would love watching him. I just don't think the bears are going to draft him at 10. If he is available to them, I can see Poles choosing multiple picks in return.  If we still didn't have several holes to fill, it would change the situation a lot. I think 2 players away from a competent defense. We need another weapon or two to maximize Johnson's offense. AND the OL needs more depth and a LT if that's a priority to you.

I think we are one year away from adding a Warren or Jeanty to our lineup for final touches to a SB run. 

I could be off big time on my reasoning and 6 different positions could be our pick at 10.

I didn't think you were trying to trash him at all.  You just made a false statement when you eluded to him being one dimensional.  I also don't think we should draft him, but would be excited if we did.

[Stinger226]

20 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I didn't think you were trying to trash him at all.  You just made a false statement when you eluded to him being one dimensional.  I also don't think we should draft him, but would be excited if we did.

That was DABEARSDABOMB that said that. I don't think that at all.

[adam]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

With every player we have talked about to nauseum, watch it ,  a surprise of someone we haven't discussed.  Will Johnson, Matt Golden, Tyleik Williams 

It will be interesting to see if Ben Johnson or Dennis Allen gets their guy at 10. It feels like Johnson, being the new HC is going to want to stack the deck on offense.

[Mongo3451]

30 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

That was DABEARSDABOMB that said that. I don't think that at all.

Oops.  My bad...🤘🍻