#10 Mock Draft Selection

[AZ54]

  On 4/7/2025 at 12:18 AM, adam said:

For me, OL at 10 will depend on who is there. I think Will Campbell is probably selected over Jeanty, Warren, and every Edge player after Carter. However, if Cambell is gone, then I think they would take Jeanty or Warren over Banks/Simmons/Membou. Now if Campbell, Jeanty, and Warren are gone, then Banks seems to be a Poles type of pick. 

So in summary, my belief is:

Campbell, then Jeanty/Warren, then Banks. The wild card for me is Dennis Allen, will he have enough influence on Poles/Johnson to get "his" guy at #10 (Edge or DT). 

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For years Ryan Poles has said arm length is a factor when drafting an OT.  There can be arguments about how others feel regarding arm length but the 3 OTs he's drafted as our GM fit his long-arm profile.  I can't imagine he'll suddenly change for Will Campbell and I don't think he's spending a top 10 pick on Campbell to backup the IOL.  

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:29 AM, AZ54 said:

For years Ryan Poles has said arm length is a factor when drafting an OT.  There can be arguments about how others feel regarding arm length but the 3 OTs he's drafted as our GM fit his long-arm profile.  I can't imagine he'll suddenly change for Will Campbell and I don't think he's spending a top 10 pick on Campbell to backup the IOL.  

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Funny thing is, if the combine numbers are to be trusted, Banks has short arms too and so does basically the whole OT class?

But you're right that Poles has talked about wingspan before. I think he talked about it after he didn't pick Skoronski and took Wright instead? Who knows what the GMs really mean when they say these things.

But you're doubly right that he wouldnt take a OG with #10. I saw a mock draft where we took OG Booker at 10. I mean, Im no expert, but that seems really far fetched, and to your point, ditto on any OT to convert to OG. If he takes an OT at 10 it'll be to play OT.

Not predicting it, but what if they plan to move Wright to LT, and plug someone in at RT? That's kind of halfway between LT and OG. Maybe a guy like Booker could play RT?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

  On 4/7/2025 at 12:22 AM, BearFan PHX said:

I cant remember going into a draft with more question marks about what we will do than this one.

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That is why no one can say they won't take OL, DL, RB etc.  The only position we know they will not take is QB. The Bears are getting into position to build for the future instead of now. As long as they use their draft capital correct, next year will be even more unknown. 

 

 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:46 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

That is why no one can say they won't take OL, DL, RB etc.  The only position we know they will not take is QB. The Bears are getting into position to build for the future instead of now. As long as they use their draft capital correct, next year will be even more unknown. 

 

 

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Stinger said something before, I really agree with, we could go into the season with what we have right now. We dont have any glaring holes. I mean LT yada... but other than that, we could go with Swift, but we hope for better, we could use depth and future players at almost every position, but this draft is about building to the future. It could go in any direction.

And I will argue that this is the signal that Poles' "rebuild" is done. This team needs to start winning now. We arent playing for tomorrow any more.

And adding 3 or 4 starting caliber players to the current roster will help a lot!

[Stinger226]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:39 AM, BearFan PHX said:

Funny thing is, if the combine numbers are to be trusted, Banks has short arms too and so does basically the whole OT class?

But you're right that Poles has talked about wingspan before. I think he talked about it after he didn't pick Skoronski and took Wright instead? Who knows what the GMs really mean when they say these things.

But you're doubly right that he wouldnt take a OG with #10. I saw a mock draft where we took OG Booker at 10. I mean, Im no expert, but that seems really far fetched, and to your point, ditto on any OT to convert to OG. If he takes an OT at 10 it'll be to play OT.

Not predicting it, but what if they plan to move Wright to LT, and plug someone in at RT? That's kind of halfway between LT and OG. Maybe a guy like Booker could play RT?

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Moving Wright has been suggested before but this should be his statement year ( that he is very good) and with 4 starters in place, I don't think they want to have 2 spots with questions. Poles has 2 drafted players at LT and IMO will draft a other to compete their in the 2nd or 3rd round. 

These are the OTs with arms over 34" in the draft 

Cameron Williams 

Charles Grant 

Emery Jones 

Hollis Pierce ( 36)

Brandon Crenshaw Dickerson 

Teams will play someone with less than ideal arm length but they would have to be needy. We are not needy we have 2 on the team right now.

I can see us drafting a Charlie Grant or Hollis Pierce in the second or third round over a less than standard prospect at 10.

They are keeping the 30 visits quiet but that may have some clues who they like.

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:29 AM, Stinger226 said:

Moving Wright has been suggested before but this should be his statement year ( that he is very good) and with 4 starters in place, I don't think they want to have 2 spots with questions. Poles has 2 drafted players at LT and IMO will draft a other to compete their in the 2nd or 3rd round. 

These are the OTs with arms over 34" in the draft 

Cameron Williams 

Charles Grant 

Emery Jones 

Hollis Pierce ( 36)

Brandon Crenshaw Dickerson 

Teams will play someone with less than ideal arm length but they would have to be needy. We are not needy we have 2 on the team right now.

I can see us drafting a Charlie Grant or Hollis Pierce in the second or third round over a less than standard prospect at 10.

They are keeping the 30 visits quiet but that may have some clues who they like.

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Yeah, I would rather they kept Wright where he is and let him break out this year.

Arm length is only one part of the equation. some really great ones have shorter arms. Longer is better, but it isnt everything.

If they get to the 2nd round without an OT, and Ersery and Conerly are gone, I agree Grant could be the next name up. He is probably a 3rd round grade, but if there is a run on OTs, who knows.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:14 AM, BearFan PHX said:

Stinger said something before, I really agree with, we could go into the season with what we have right now. We dont have any glaring holes. I mean LT yada... but other than that, we could go with Swift, but we hope for better, we could use depth and future players at almost every position, but this draft is about building to the future. It could go in any direction.

And I will argue that this is the signal that Poles' "rebuild" is done. This team needs to start winning now. We arent playing for tomorrow any more.

And adding 3 or 4 starting caliber players to the current roster will help a lot!

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I only have other people's opinions?  I do exactly what you do, look at tape, read opinions, look at articles and then form an opinion. I doubt I would have got a degree in college if I was not able to do critical thinking. 

I'm retired and bored, I absolutely know that I have put tons of hours more time in to forming my opinion than you have yours .

On here we've talked about other players and you would give an opinion and qualify it by saying, I haven't watched any tape yet. 

Be honest, how much time have you watched tape on Banks? I have watched many highlights and 7 games he played in. 

That absolutely doesn't qualify me for anything more than to have an opinion. I don't claim to have special talent watching tape , if I did I would have got a job as a scout. 

The only reason I went to college was to get a teaching degree and start a coaching career that I wanted to do because you have to start somewhere.( High school coach) 

Then my dad offered me a business at 23 I couldn't pass up.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:38 AM, BearFan PHX said:

Yeah, I would rather they kept Wright where he is and let him break out this year.

Arm length is only one part of the equation. some really great ones have shorter arms. Longer is better, but it isnt everything.

If they get to the 2nd round without an OT, and Ersery and Conerly are gone, I agree Grant could be the next name up. He is probably a 3rd round grade, but if there is a run on OTs, who knows.

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Actually we both want the same thing, a quality LT. We have two players there right now that have questions.

This is not a good year for LTs and I don't think Poles will reach for a player at 10. Banks might be the best tackle this year but he does not fit what Poles likes. I don't see him reaching for something, he doesn't look at it as having no one to play LT.

I think he wants someone to slot behind Kiran because if Braxton doesn't get better, he ain't paying him 20 mil a year, he will move on to Kiran and the next guy.

[dawhizz]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:29 AM, AZ54 said:

For years Ryan Poles has said arm length is a factor when drafting an OT.  There can be arguments about how others feel regarding arm length but the 3 OTs he's drafted as our GM fit his long-arm profile.  I can't imagine he'll suddenly change for Will Campbell and I don't think he's spending a top 10 pick on Campbell to backup the IOL.  

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Keep in mind there was something fishy about the arm length measurements at the combine - most OTs had their arms measure longer at their bowls and Pro Days than they did at the combine. 
 

 

 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:45 AM, Stinger226 said:

I only have other people's opinions?  I do exactly what you do, look at tape, read opinions, look at articles and then form an opinion. I doubt I would have got a degree in college if I was not able to do critical thinking. 

I'm retired and bored, I absolutely know that I have put tons of hours more time in to forming my opinion than you have yours .

On here we've talked about other players and you would give an opinion and qualify it by saying, I haven't watched any tape yet. 

Be honest, how much time have you watched tape on Banks? I have watched many highlights and 7 games he played in. 

That absolutely doesn't qualify me for anything more than to have an opinion. I don't claim to have special talent watching tape , if I did I would have got a job as a scout. 

The only reason I went to college was to get a teaching degree and start a coaching career that I wanted to do because you have to start somewhere.( High school coach) 

Then my dad offered me a business at 23 I couldn't pass up.

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Cool, so then stop telling us that yours is the only opinion that matters because the rest of us are just fans, but youre not just a fan because some expert says whatever.

You have every right to your opinion. You can say what you dont like about Banks. You can say why you prefer another player. You can say anything you want except that our opinion doesnt count because of some expert youre quoting.

The idea here isnt to win, its to discuss what we see, positive and negative so we can go back and look at film and test those theories, that way we all learn more and hone our opinions together, agreeing or disagreeing the same.

If you've watched all this film (and yes I have too) then say what you saw that you liked or didnt like. Thats all Im talking about. You dont have to agree with me at all. That's all fine. Just say something about the player instead of making the argument of authority all the time. Because its not actually an argument, and it dismisses all the rest of us from having any views worth anything.

In other words, forget who says an idea, just debate the idea itself, not the credentials of the person who said it.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:27 AM, BearFan PHX said:

Cool, so then stop telling us that yours is the only opinion that matters because the rest of us are just fans, but youre not just a fan because some expert says whatever.

You have every right to your opinion. You can say what you dont like about Banks. You can say why you prefer another player. You can say anything you want except that our opinion doesnt count because of some expert youre quoting.

The idea here isnt to win, its to discuss what we see, positive and negative so we can go back and look at film and test those theories, that way we all learn more and hone our opinions together, agreeing or disagreeing the same.

If you've watched all this film (and yes I have too) then say what you saw that you liked or didnt like. Thats all Im talking about. You dont have to agree with me at all. That's all fine. Just say something about the player instead of making the argument of authority all the time. Because its not actually an argument, and it dismisses all the rest of us from having any views worth anything.

In other words, forget who says an idea, just debate the idea itself, not the credentials of the person who said it.

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You just go out of your way to start arguments. You say I only have other people's opinions( I respond )and you twist it  into my opinion is King and everybody else sucks. Im done addressing stupid crap that comes out of your mouth. 

We ain't talking Banks at 10, 

DEAL WITH IT

You're next response will be I'm sick of this or that you perpetuate to try to argue. 

I will respond to legitimate sports topics but done with your inflated ego.

[BearFan PHX]

LOL dude, Im just saying talk about the player, not what some site has him ranked. Your opinion about him is what matters, telling us we are only fans and cant possibly know anything isnt an argument. A good argument would be "his footwork is bad" or "he plays too high" or "hes bad at handfighting" or something about him as a player.

Not just numbers of sacks and pressures. Stuff you see with your eye watching film. Like to me Banks looks really smooth, while Campbell looks a lot less graceful. And then maybe you dont see it that way. So cool. Thats a discussion though.

If theres something wrong with Banks, Im all ears.

Or maybe instead you want to say why Jeanty or Warren or a DT would be a better choice. Those are all good arguments too.

But all Im hearing is that some site has him ranked 3rd or to go after pick 15. Those are narratives, and right or wrong, they arent player evaluation.

Also i dont think I watch film better than anyone else. I just watch it. And like a lot of people, if you look, its not so hard to see. Its just football. Weve all been watching it a LONG time. All of our opinions are valid if we just look and say what we see.

[jason]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:39 AM, BearFan PHX said:

Not predicting it, but what if they plan to move Wright to LT, and plug someone in at RT? That's kind of halfway between LT and OG. Maybe a guy like Booker could play RT?

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I absolutely loathe the idea of moving OLinemen because someone else sucks or is subpar. We should have learned that lesson as a franchise so many times.

Chris Williams, Kyle Long, Cody Whitehair...how many times must this be done before the lesson is learned? 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:02 PM, jason said:

I absolutely loathe the idea of moving OLinemen because someone else sucks or is subpar. We should have learned that lesson as a franchise so many times.

Chris Williams, Kyle Long, Cody Whitehair...how many times must this be done before the lesson is learned? 

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no I agree with you. I was wondering if thats what they might be thinking. I wouldnt like that at all either

[Mongo3451]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:03 PM, BearFan PHX said:

no I agree with you. I was wondering if thats what they might be thinking. I wouldnt like that at all either

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I believe our current guys are smarter than that.  Wright should never play left tackle.  If anything else, guard.  

However, I am a proponent of trying a failed OT at other positions before giving up on them.

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:23 PM, Mongo3451 said:

I believe our current guys are smarter than that.  Wright should never play left tackle.  If anything else, guard.  

However, I am a proponent of trying a failed OT at other positions before giving up on them.

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for sure - guys "failing" to the inside makes sense, but once someone is good somewhere, moving them is a bad idea. and yes, i think our guys are smarter than that too.

I was just throwing it out there as a possibility since ive been looking for a LT, dont like Jones there, and worry that Banks could be gone by 10.

But I agree with you and AZ54 not to do that. I also hope that isnt the plan.

[adam]

  On 4/7/2025 at 12:22 AM, BearFan PHX said:

so obviously i disagree with you, but that's what makes horse races.

If they arent going OT for some reason, then I think Jeanty over Warren. If the Michigan DT drops, he could be an option too.

But for me, if Banks is there, he's the pick, even if Campbell is there too.

If both are there and the Bears go with Campbell I will assume they know something I dont, and cheer for him. But if it was me, I'd be taking Banks.

Youre right about Allen's influence too. I wonder who his guy is.

I cant remember going into a draft with more question marks about what we will do than this one.

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If they pick Banks, I would not be surprised or disappointed, they know better than me (most of the time ). 

I guess it comes down to position premium vs BPA. I believe Poles even hinted at how they may draft in the Hoge & Jahns podcast. I don't know if anyone else listened to it, but he alluded to the fact that they sort of "look ahead" and war game out the scenarios and combination of picks. So they don't pick a position that they can take later with little drop off in performance. 

[Stinger226]

  On 4/8/2025 at 12:14 PM, adam said:

If they pick Banks, I would not be surprised or disappointed, they know better than me (most of the time ). 

I guess it comes down to position premium vs BPA. I believe Poles even hinted at how they may draft in the Hoge & Jahns podcast. I don't know if anyone else listened to it, but he alluded to the fact that they sort of "look ahead" and war game out the scenarios and combination of picks. So they don't pick a position that they can take later with little drop off in performance. 

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I listen every week and if the blue players are gone figure out what 3 they're capable of getting.

The blue players they would take if there. Carter-Graham Warren -Jeanty . Don't think any will be. Many pundits say 9-50 similar in value so then who? That's the magic question. 

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/8/2025 at 12:14 PM, adam said:

If they pick Banks, I would not be surprised or disappointed, they know better than me (most of the time ).

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same here if they pick Campbell with Banks still on the board.

 

  On 4/8/2025 at 12:14 PM, adam said:

I believe Poles even hinted at how they may draft in the Hoge & Jahns podcast. I don't know if anyone else listened to it, but he alluded to the fact that they sort of "look ahead" and war game out the scenarios and combination of picks. So they don't pick a position that they can take later with little drop off in performance. 

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This is precisely what has led me to believe we are taking Banks or an OT - that position drops off faster than HB or DT in this draft to my eye.

Taken alone, there could be lots of good options at pick 10. DE, DT, HB, TE, WR - all have players that could help us, and look good. But there is a barren wasteland at OT if youre not SURE Ersery will drop to pick 39.

That's a huge part of why Ive been on the OT at 10 train. Its not that OT Banks can help us so much more than HB Jeanty, but that HB Kaleb Johnson for example or HB TreVeyon Henderson can help us more than OT Charles Grant?

[AZ54]

  On 4/8/2025 at 12:52 PM, Stinger226 said:

I listen every week and if the blue players are gone figure out what 3 they're capable of getting.

The blue players they would take if there. Carter-Graham Warren -Jeanty . Don't think any will be. Many pundits say 9-50 similar in value so then who? That's the magic question. 

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I have trouble believing Warren is a blue chip player.  Seems more like top 20-25 type.   He has no special traits likeBowers last year but he’s a really good player.  I’m not sure Jeanty is blue chip either but he's closer to it than Warren.  I won’t be surprised at all if Hampton is the first RB taken in this draft.  

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/8/2025 at 7:53 PM, AZ54 said:

I have trouble believing Warren is a blue chip player.  Seems more like top 20-25 type.   He has no special traits likeBowers last year but he’s a really good player.  I’m not sure Jeanty is blue chip either but he's closer to it than Warren.  I won’t be surprised at all if Hampton is the first RB taken in this draft.  

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Yeah i think all the Warren talk is to shine him up so we have possible trade down options.

[dawhizz]

I'm also very interested in the correlation between RAS score and Bears draft picks this year.  Poles has shown a pretty significant trend toward high RAS players in the past.  His first draft in 2022, the only player he drafted with an RAS below 8.44 were Velus Jones and Ja'Tyre Carter (two players who I think we can agree have not really worked out in the NFL).  In his 2023 draft, he took ten total players and yet still the lowest RAS was Travis Bell's 8.25, which is still considered quite high (anything over 8.00 is considered "great" or something like that) and his first four picks/picks in the first three rounds were all at or nearly 9.00 (Darnell Wright = 9.68; Gervon Dexter = 9.52; Tyrique Stevenson = 8.93; Zacch Pickens = 9.22).  Last year Caleb, Kiran, and Tory Taylor didn't qualify for RAS for various reasons (Caleb just didn't do all the tests, Kiran was coming off an injury, and no one cares about testing for punters), but Odunze scored 9.92 and Booker scored 7.02 but was also a 5th round pick.

I say all of this because I was trying to talk myself into various players at #10 and got to Kenneth Grant, but I wonder how his RAS score (7.18 or so) would affect him in the Bears eyes.  On one hand, he's a big run-stuffing DT, so maybe RAS doesn't mean that much, on the other Vita Vea scored around a 9.50 and Jordan Davis had a 10.00, so maybe it takes that stuff into account.  Will Poles still appear to favor RAS scores or will he be more willing to go out of his comfort zone, now that he's seen some of these high RAS players (Velus Jones, above, and Dominique Robinson's 9.74 comes to mind) never quite measure up on the football field?  We shall see.  Providing the RAS link below for this year's draftees if anyone else is interested.

https://ras.football/2025-nfl-draft-class/

[AZ54]

  On 4/8/2025 at 9:47 PM, dawhizz said:

I'm also very interested in the correlation between RAS score and Bears draft picks this year.  Poles has shown a pretty significant trend toward high RAS players in the past.  His first draft in 2022, the only player he drafted with an RAS below 8.44 were Velus Jones and Ja'Tyre Carter (two players who I think we can agree have not really worked out in the NFL).  In his 2023 draft, he took ten total players and yet still the lowest RAS was Travis Bell's 8.25, which is still considered quite high (anything over 8.00 is considered "great" or something like that) and his first four picks/picks in the first three rounds were all at or nearly 9.00 (Darnell Wright = 9.68; Gervon Dexter = 9.52; Tyrique Stevenson = 8.93; Zacch Pickens = 9.22).  Last year Caleb, Kiran, and Tory Taylor didn't qualify for RAS for various reasons (Caleb just didn't do all the tests, Kiran was coming off an injury, and no one cares about testing for punters), but Odunze scored 9.92 and Booker scored 7.02 but was also a 5th round pick.

I say all of this because I was trying to talk myself into various players at #10 and got to Kenneth Grant, but I wonder how his RAS score (7.18 or so) would affect him in the Bears eyes.  On one hand, he's a big run-stuffing DT, so maybe RAS doesn't mean that much, on the other Vita Vea scored around a 9.50 and Jordan Davis had a 10.00, so maybe it takes that stuff into account.  Will Poles still appear to favor RAS scores or will he be more willing to go out of his comfort zone, now that he's seen some of these high RAS players (Velus Jones, above, and Dominique Robinson's 9.74 comes to mind) never quite measure up on the football field?  We shall see.  Providing the RAS link below for this year's draftees if anyone else is interested.

https://ras.football/2025-nfl-draft-class/

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RAS is a very simple metric. I’m pretty sure every fan base and coaching staff want big, fast, and strong players.  Just use it to see if it matches what you see on film.   
 

last night I watched Steve Smith breakdown Matthew Golden, his #1 WR in this draft.   He ran a 4.29 forty.  Yet they showed several clips where he gets run down from behind.  He’s not slow either but if it’s a foot race to the endzone I’m taking Velus over him.  

[BearFan PHX]

  On 4/8/2025 at 9:47 PM, dawhizz said:

I'm also very interested in the correlation between RAS score and Bears draft picks this year.  Poles has shown a pretty significant trend toward high RAS players in the past.  His first draft in 2022, the only player he drafted with an RAS below 8.44 were Velus Jones and Ja'Tyre Carter (two players who I think we can agree have not really worked out in the NFL).  In his 2023 draft, he took ten total players and yet still the lowest RAS was Travis Bell's 8.25, which is still considered quite high (anything over 8.00 is considered "great" or something like that) and his first four picks/picks in the first three rounds were all at or nearly 9.00 (Darnell Wright = 9.68; Gervon Dexter = 9.52; Tyrique Stevenson = 8.93; Zacch Pickens = 9.22).  Last year Caleb, Kiran, and Tory Taylor didn't qualify for RAS for various reasons (Caleb just didn't do all the tests, Kiran was coming off an injury, and no one cares about testing for punters), but Odunze scored 9.92 and Booker scored 7.02 but was also a 5th round pick.

I say all of this because I was trying to talk myself into various players at #10 and got to Kenneth Grant, but I wonder how his RAS score (7.18 or so) would affect him in the Bears eyes.  On one hand, he's a big run-stuffing DT, so maybe RAS doesn't mean that much, on the other Vita Vea scored around a 9.50 and Jordan Davis had a 10.00, so maybe it takes that stuff into account.  Will Poles still appear to favor RAS scores or will he be more willing to go out of his comfort zone, now that he's seen some of these high RAS players (Velus Jones, above, and Dominique Robinson's 9.74 comes to mind) never quite measure up on the football field?  We shall see.  Providing the RAS link below for this year's draftees if anyone else is interested.

https://ras.football/2025-nfl-draft-class/

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This is a really good question for going forward. Obviously a lot of players with high RAS scores do end up as high picks, even from teams that dont care about RAS scores but do care about productivity, since there is overlap there.

But guys like Velus Jones in the 3rd round is a pure RAS or speed move.

It will be interesting to see how the new staff, and prior experience, affect whether Poles stays as connected to RAS scores as he has.

Great post.

[Stinger226]

  On 4/8/2025 at 9:47 PM, dawhizz said:

I'm also very interested in the correlation between RAS score and Bears draft picks this year.  Poles has shown a pretty significant trend toward high RAS players in the past.  His first draft in 2022, the only player he drafted with an RAS below 8.44 were Velus Jones and Ja'Tyre Carter (two players who I think we can agree have not really worked out in the NFL).  In his 2023 draft, he took ten total players and yet still the lowest RAS was Travis Bell's 8.25, which is still considered quite high (anything over 8.00 is considered "great" or something like that) and his first four picks/picks in the first three rounds were all at or nearly 9.00 (Darnell Wright = 9.68; Gervon Dexter = 9.52; Tyrique Stevenson = 8.93; Zacch Pickens = 9.22).  Last year Caleb, Kiran, and Tory Taylor didn't qualify for RAS for various reasons (Caleb just didn't do all the tests, Kiran was coming off an injury, and no one cares about testing for punters), but Odunze scored 9.92 and Booker scored 7.02 but was also a 5th round pick.

I say all of this because I was trying to talk myself into various players at #10 and got to Kenneth Grant, but I wonder how his RAS score (7.18 or so) would affect him in the Bears eyes.  On one hand, he's a big run-stuffing DT, so maybe RAS doesn't mean that much, on the other Vita Vea scored around a 9.50 and Jordan Davis had a 10.00, so maybe it takes that stuff into account.  Will Poles still appear to favor RAS scores or will he be more willing to go out of his comfort zone, now that he's seen some of these high RAS players (Velus Jones, above, and Dominique Robinson's 9.74 comes to mind) never quite measure up on the football field?  We shall see.  Providing the RAS link below for this year's draftees if anyone else is interested.

https://ras.football/2025-nfl-draft-class/

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  On 4/8/2025 at 9:47 PM, dawhizz said:

I'm also very interested in the correlation between RAS score and Bears draft picks this year.  Poles has shown a pretty significant trend toward high RAS players in the past.  His first draft in 2022, the only player he drafted with an RAS below 8.44 were Velus Jones and Ja'Tyre Carter (two players who I think we can agree have not really worked out in the NFL).  In his 2023 draft, he took ten total players and yet still the lowest RAS was Travis Bell's 8.25, which is still considered quite high (anything over 8.00 is considered "great" or something like that) and his first four picks/picks in the first three rounds were all at or nearly 9.00 (Darnell Wright = 9.68; Gervon Dexter = 9.52; Tyrique Stevenson = 8.93; Zacch Pickens = 9.22).  Last year Caleb, Kiran, and Tory Taylor didn't qualify for RAS for various reasons (Caleb just didn't do all the tests, Kiran was coming off an injury, and no one cares about testing for punters), but Odunze scored 9.92 and Booker scored 7.02 but was also a 5th round pick.

I say all of this because I was trying to talk myself into various players at #10 and got to Kenneth Grant, but I wonder how his RAS score (7.18 or so) would affect him in the Bears eyes.  On one hand, he's a big run-stuffing DT, so maybe RAS doesn't mean that much, on the other Vita Vea scored around a 9.50 and Jordan Davis had a 10.00, so maybe it takes that stuff into account.  Will Poles still appear to favor RAS scores or will he be more willing to go out of his comfort zone, now that he's seen some of these high RAS players (Velus Jones, above, and Dominique Robinson's 9.74 comes to mind) never quite measure up on the football field?  We shall see.  Providing the RAS link below for this year's draftees if anyone else is interested.

https://ras.football/2025-nfl-draft-class/

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It's just another tool to look at for analyzing a player. Production, improving every year, football IQ, work ethic, love of football, character all come into play. 

I remember we drafted a DE from Penn State in the first round that was a monster but wasn't in love with football. He failed because of a lack of focus. He told you in the interview but they still took him. It was just a well paid job for him. It matters.