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[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

 I had a lot of issues with how Caleb played last year holding the ball too long and missing or bypassing the easy gains.  However, this video gives me hope he's The One.  Rookies can at times look good between the 20s but to execute in the redzone is really where the elite QBs shine.    This video gave me hope for a bright future..

 

I agree he did hold the ball too long a bunch of times last year. Im not sure Caleb was holding on too much because of some slow internal clock, since there are also examples of him getting the ball out fast. I think it was more a matter of the game being a little too big for him to digest. I think we can Blame Waldron and Flus for this. As we all already know, they never watched film with him!! wtf?!

There is every reason to believe that Williams will mature a lot this season. He'll get good coaching, good plays, and just an overall plan for success that he will understand his role in. I can't imagine how it was for him last year with no coaching support and a plan that made no sense. It's criminal.

But it also means the sky is the limit, it HAS to be a lot better this year, just because of all the bad crap eliminated before you even add in this staff, the new OL, his brand new LT Kelvin Banks... LOL

[Stinger226]

11 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I agree he did hold the ball too long a bunch of times last year. Im not sure Caleb was holding on too much because of some slow internal clock, since there are also examples of him getting the ball out fast. I think it was more a matter of the game being a little too big for him to digest. I think we can Blame Waldron and Flus for this. As we all already know, they never watched film with him!! wtf?!

There is every reason to believe that Williams will mature a lot this season. He'll get good coaching, good plays, and just an overall plan for success that he will understand his role in. I can't imagine how it was for him last year with no coaching support and a plan that made no sense. It's criminal.

But it also means the sky is the limit, it HAS to be a lot better this year, just because of all the bad crap eliminated before you even add in this staff, the new OL, his brand new LT Kelvin Banks... LOL

I think Caleb would wait to long for down field route's to open. A ton of times the outlet throw was their for him . He either has bad vision or was to stubborn to throw short.

[BearFan PHX]

14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I think Caleb would wait to long for down field route's to open. A ton of times the outlet throw was their for him . He either has bad vision or was to stubborn to throw short.

both. he needs coaching. he needs to see the play in rhythm, and he needs to be confident about when he should be looking long, and when he should be moving the chains. there are also a lot of plays where he did see the field, and got the ball out fast. so he has shown examples, bt I think on some plays, he wasnt confident in how the whole thing works. Johnson will be a great teacher for him in that way.

And also, one real complaint I have about Williams, is that his long ball accuracy sucks. Fields threw a much better long ball, and so does Jaden Daniels.

I'm not sure it's a big problem, and QBs like Tom Brady have increased their distance and accuracy quite a bit over time. So it is something you can improve, but I think it's Caleb's biggest weakness.

[Mongo3451]

7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

And also, one real complaint I have about Williams, is that his long ball accuracy sucks. Fields threw a much better long ball, and so does Jaden Daniels.

That was Trubisky's fatal flaw...

[dawhizz]

More visits I’ve seen reported:

-Shemar Stewart, DE, Texas A&M (projected first round pick, low production but great measurable and perfect 10.00 RAS score) 

-Jalin Conyers, TE, Texas Tech (likely late round pick who caught, rushed (via wildcat), and threw for TDs last year - I’ve beeen putting him in my Bears mocks recently)

-Tre Harris, WR, Mississippi (seen him going anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th, could be a fit as a big slot)

-Omarr Norman-Lott, DT, Tennessee (looks to be a mid-round DT, a little undersized so likely 3T type)

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, dawhizz said:

More visits I’ve seen reported:

-Shemar Stewart, DE, Texas A&M (projected first round pick, low production but great measurable and perfect 10.00 RAS score) 

-Jalin Conyers, TE, Texas Tech (likely late round pick who caught, rushed (via wildcat), and threw for TDs last year - I’ve beeen putting him in my Bears mocks recently)

-Tre Harris, WR, Mississippi (seen him going anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th, could be a fit as a big slot)

-Omarr Norman-Lott, DT, Tennessee (looks to be a mid-round DT, a little undersized so likely 3T type)

Norman Lott is pure 3 tech.  All he does well is pass rush.  As long as you don’t want him to tackle a RB you will be happy with him.  He’s got talent and could be worth a late round pick 

[AZ54]

13 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

both. he needs coaching. he needs to see the play in rhythm, and he needs to be confident about when he should be looking long, and when he should be moving the chains. there are also a lot of plays where he did see the field, and got the ball out fast. so he has shown examples, bt I think on some plays, he wasnt confident in how the whole thing works. Johnson will be a great teacher for him in that way.

And also, one real complaint I have about Williams, is that his long ball accuracy sucks. Fields threw a much better long ball, and so does Jaden Daniels.

I'm not sure it's a big problem, and QBs like Tom Brady have increased their distance and accuracy quite a bit over time. So it is something you can improve, but I think it's Caleb's biggest weakness.

Caleb can be very accurate throwing deep if he gets his body right.  

[BearFan PHX]

14 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Caleb can be very accurate throwing deep if he gets his body right.  

hope so! Its something I saw a lot of in his college tape too.

But I look at Tom Brady, and contrast his early tape, looking Montana-esque, spreading the ball around, making quick reads, but not particularly known as a long ball guy, vs Moss era Brady, where he was throwing dimes 65 yards downfield.

So there is hope!

[Stinger226]

With all we talk about with new coaches and new players, it still comes down to how well Caleb plays. I'm excited to watch him grow.

[BearFan PHX]

55 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

With all we talk about with new coaches and new players, it still comes down to how well Caleb plays. I'm excited to watch him grow.

me too - and he doesn't need an elite long ball to be great. if he makes his reads, and gets the ball out fast, he will win a lot of games with this roster.

I do think we still need a real WR3.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Since I do not see the Bears extending Thuney, Braxton being limited come TC and on his last year, and Kiran going to need a real TC to get coached, they need a top prospect that can be LT/G.  Campbell, Banks, Simmons, Ersery and Donovan Jackson are names the Bears need to consider.  Poles said the Bears will bring in competition at LT, they are thinking short and long term, meaning they are serious about bringing in a player who could challenge Kiran at the start of camp.  Braxton will be in the mix but he is expected to start late and they cannot bet on him having no set backs.  Long term, they will need someone to replace Thuney at G and Braxton at LT, which would be Kiran or the draftee.

If Jeanty is gone, my prediction is the top LT is our pick.    

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Since I do not see the Bears extending Thuney, Braxton being limited come TC and on his last year, and Kiran going to need a real TC to get coached, they need a top prospect that can be LT/G.  Campbell, Banks, Simmons, Ersery and Donovan Jackson are names the Bears need to consider.  Poles said the Bears will bring in competition at LT, they are thinking short and long term, meaning they are serious about bringing in a player who could challenge Kiran at the start of camp.  Braxton will be in the mix but he is expected to start late and they cannot bet on him having no set backs.  Long term, they will need someone to replace Thuney at G, which would be Kiran or the draftee.

If Jeanty is gone, my prediction is the top LT is our pick.    

The argument makes sense but taking the best  true LT in this draft may be a later pick in other drafts. It's not a great draft for LT but many good OL as most project inside. Thuney is expected to be extended according to his agent but later in the off-season. So you need to draft a LT. 

Campbell is a good player but looked at more inside than LT. Could he play LT, of course, but most teams stick players where they would excel the most. A starting LT, or all pro guard?  No LTs in the league have 32 5/8 arms and 78 wingspan. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

The argument makes sense but taking the best  true LT in this draft may be a later pick in other drafts. It's not a great draft for LT but many good OL as most project inside. Thuney is expected to be extended according to his agent but later in the off-season. So you need to draft a LT. 

Campbell is a good player but looked at more inside than LT. Could he play LT, of course, but most teams stick players where they would excel the most. A starting LT, or all pro guard?  No LTs in the league have 32 5/8 arms and 78 wingspan. 

Who can the Bears get next year or the year after that might be as good when drafting in the 20s?  They should be a winning team the next 3-4 years, so they might not get the same shot at a talented O-linemen.  Plus other positions of need are deep this year besides DE.  

I doubt they extend Thuney, the Bears gave money to Jonah Jackson and Drew Dahlman for 3 years. They have an opportunity to draft a guy this year to take his spot and save 15+ million. Either Kiran or the draftee will stay at LT the other at LG.  If Thuney takes a discounted, 2 year 22-24 million, maybe but he might want 20 a year for 3 years. They will also have to pay Wright at that time. 

 

[AZ54]

16 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

That was Trubisky's fatal flaw...

I thought it was a lack of film study and ability to read defenses.  

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Who can the Bears get next year or the year after that might be as good when drafting in the 20s?  They should be a winning team the next 3-4 years, so they might not get the same shot at a talented O-linemen.  Plus other positions of need are deep this year besides DE.  

I doubt they extend Thuney, the Bears gave money to Jonah Jackson and Drew Dahlman for 3 years. They have an opportunity to draft a guy this year to take his spot and save 15+ million. Either Kiran or the draftee will stay at LT the other at LG.  If Thuney takes a discounted, 2 year 22-24 million, maybe but he might want 20 a year for 3 years. They will also have to pay Wright at that time. 

 

Until he's signed, there's always the chance he doesn't. Greg Gabriel has the same agent as Thuney and when asked, Poles said we will get it done after the draft. I would say the same money as Jackson. 

He will draft a OT-OG anyways and if it doesn't get done, someone to fall in place at LG. Also a yr of Bill Murray being healthy may be next in line. He played well what little he played ( preseason also).

It's hard to read minds of GMs. The draft will say alot as to what they expect to happen later. Let's say they take Banks Jr for competition at LT and Thuney doesn't sign, a lot of people projected Banks at OG, him or Kiran A moves over.

[Stinger226]

Does anyone listen to CHGO? They have a draft guy ( Fran Duffy) on every week and he appears very good with prospect evaluation. 

[BearFan PHX]

13 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Until he's signed, there's always the chance he doesn't. Greg Gabriel has the same agent as Thuney and when asked, Poles said we will get it done after the draft. I would say the same money as Jackson. 

He will draft a OT-OG anyways and if it doesn't get done, someone to fall in place at LG. Also a yr of Bill Murray being healthy may be next in line. He played well what little he played ( preseason also).

It's hard to read minds of GMs. The draft will say alot as to what they expect to happen later. Let's say they take Banks Jr for competition at LT and Thuney doesn't sign, a lot of people projected Banks at OG, him or Kiran A moves over.

If they draft Banks, it will be to play LT. If he fails there, he might end up as a guard, but if they draft him it's hoping he will be the LT for the next 10 years.

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

If they draft Banks, it will be to play LT. If he fails there, he might end up as a guard, but if they draft him it's hoping he will be the LT for the next 10 years.

I agree with that. Any OL they draft will be able to fill  in at guard but will be drafted as a LT since the IOL are here for 3 years if they resign Thuney. 

[Stinger226]

Here's a nice list of people we have met with and where they are projected to go 

 

[dawhizz]

 

[BearFan PHX]

18 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

 

good! He's an impact player, and it's not THAT much money. Has anyone ever heard that term "slot corner" before rather than "nickel back"? Maybe it's schefter's way of saying the deal transcends nickels, and recognizes him as a corner.

Because Gordon's $13.3M a year is nowhere near

HOU Derek Stingley Jr $30M/yr
CAR Jaycee Horn $25M/yr
MIA Jalen Ramsey $24.1M
DEN Patrick Surtain $24M/yr
MIN Byron Murphy $22M/yr
GB Jaire Alexander $21M/yr
ATL AJ Terrell $20.25M/yr
CLE Denzel Ward $20.1M/yr
NE Carlton Davis $20M/yr
BAL Marlon Humphrey $19.5M/yr

In March of last year, Jaylon Johnson signed a 4 year $76M contract ($19M/yr)

[adam]

31 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

 

Great signing, might seem like a lot on the surface, but all while Caleb is on a rookie deal, and that position is slowly becoming one of the most important and versatile on the defense. 

[Stinger226]

44 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

 

I didn't see this so I posted a separate post for it, not trying to supercede your news.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

3 hours ago, dawhizz said:

 

Good- fair price for an above average slot corner whose best years are still ahead of him. Plus it says something to rest of club for rewarding internal guys who are doing the right thing.