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[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, adam said:

Based on that list, OL and WR seem like the 2nd round targets. 

Hard to read what they want to do.

 Greg Gabriel said they finalized their draft board by Sunday. The next 10 days  will be going over different scenarios as to who they can get and at what point in the draft.Meetings with scouts going over tweaking the board.

 

[adam]

Hampton visited the Bears today for a top 30 visit:

 

 

[dawhizz]

And WR Kyle Williams was there yesterday. Like him as a player but would like a bigger guy given that all our other WRs that figure to make the roster are under 6’0” besides Rome. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

29 minutes ago, adam said:

Hampton visited the Bears today for a top 30 visit:

 

Finding a top RB looks to be a priority.  He'd be a guy to draft if they happen to trade down w Pittsburgh who could move up for a QB. 

[Stinger226]

58 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Finding a top RB looks to be a priority.  He'd be a guy to draft if they happen to trade down w Pittsburgh who could move up for a QB. 

Definitely want one. He goes in the first round. Does anyone think they would take him at 10?

[adam]

Stewart and Johnson as well:

 

[Stinger226]

There is only 2 days left for pre draft visits . Aaron lemmings has 29 players listed for visits. He has no first round OTs unless Conerly slips to the first round. 

Does this mean we are not taking a OL at 10? It's possible, but if I'm reading the tea leafes, it's saying no.

[AZ54]

10 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

There is only 2 days left for pre draft visits . Aaron lemmings has 29 players listed for visits. He has no first round OTs unless Conerly slips to the first round. 

Does this mean we are not taking a OL at 10? It's possible, but if I'm reading the tea leafes, it's saying no.

I haven’t seen the full list of 29 players but what I saw two days ago didn’t have a single safety on the list.  I still think we’re drafting one on day 2.   

[adam]

11 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

There is only 2 days left for pre draft visits . Aaron lemmings has 29 players listed for visits. He has no first round OTs unless Conerly slips to the first round. 

Does this mean we are not taking a OL at 10? It's possible, but if I'm reading the tea leafes, it's saying no.

They will definitely be taking an RB in the first 3 picks. 

[jason]

1 hour ago, adam said:

They will definitely be taking an RB in the first 3 picks. 

Which I won't like unless everyone surprise hates Jeanty and he slips to the Bears in the second round (he won't). 

The Bears would be better served waiting until the third round and getting Skattebo.

 

[dawhizz]

1 hour ago, adam said:

They will definitely be taking an RB in the first 3 picks. 

I think it could just as easily be a 3rd or 5th round pick. Deep RB draft. 

[adam]

10 minutes ago, jason said:

Which I won't like unless everyone surprise hates Jeanty and he slips to the Bears in the second round (he won't). 

The Bears would be better served waiting until the third round and getting Skattebo.

 

Ben Johnson was not that high on Swift in DET, so I think RB may be a bigger priority than we now. I could be totally wrong there too. Depending on how the draft plays out, there may be a solid RB available in the 3rd.

One other wild card is Milroe. If somehow Milroe or Dart go in the 1st, or both, that would slide 1-2 positional players down for the Bears early 2nd rounders. 

[adam]

12 minutes ago, jason said:

Which I won't like unless everyone surprise hates Jeanty and he slips to the Bears in the second round (he won't). 

The Bears would be better served waiting until the third round and getting Skattebo.

 

 

7 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

I think it could just as easily be a 3rd or 5th round pick. Deep RB draft. 

I was going off of the guys they had in for the top 30 visits. They all seemed to be at worst late 2nd rounders.

[dawhizz]

1 hour ago, adam said:

 

I was going off of the guys they had in for the top 30 visits. They all seemed to be at worst late 2nd rounders.

I think Brashard Smith is the one guy might go a little later, so I’m trying to factor that in. 

[BearFan PHX]

I think the first three picks will be (in no particular order) HB, DL/S, OT

Either:

R1 Banks
R2 Kaleb Johnson
R2 DE, DT or S

OR

R1 Jeanty
R2 Ersery
R2 DE, DT or S

OR

R1 DE or DT
R2 Ersery
R2 Kaleb Johnson

[DABEARSDABOMB]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think the first three picks will be (in no particular order) HB, DL/S, OT

Either:

R1 Banks
R2 Kaleb Johnson
R2 DE, DT or S

OR

R1 Jeanty
R2 Ersery
R2 DE, DT or S

OR

R1 DE or DT
R2 Ersery
R2 Kaleb Johnson

This is fun - I think 1st 4 will be (in no particular order): OT, DL, HB, WR/TE

[BearFan PHX]

52 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

This is fun - I think 1st 4 will be (in no particular order): OT, DL, HB, WR/TE

yes i agree. I put safety in the WR/TE/S mix but otherwise I am exactly with you.

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, adam said:

Ben Johnson was not that high on Swift in DET, so I think RB may be a bigger priority than we now. I could be totally wrong there too. Depending on how the draft plays out, there may be a solid RB available in the 3rd.

One other wild card is Milroe. If somehow Milroe or Dart go in the 1st, or both, that would slide 1-2 positional players down for the Bears early 2nd rounders. 

I listen to Dane Brugler on a podcast and he was talking about RBs. He thinks 2 will go in the first round and maybe 2 in the second. That most teams will wait until the 3rd and 4th round to get RBs. That could leave lots of good choices at 72. 

Jeanty - Hampton then Johnson and Henderson in the second. 

72- Judkins -Skattebo- Brashard Smith - Tuten 

I would say we wait until the third round to get a RB.

[BearFan PHX]

9 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I listen to Dane Brugler on a podcast and he was talking about RBs. He thinks 2 will go in the first round and maybe 2 in the second. That most teams will wait until the 3rd and 4th round to get RBs. That could leave lots of good choices at 72. 

Jeanty - Hampton then Johnson and Henderson in the second. 

72- Judkins -Skattebo- Brashard Smith - Tuten 

I would say we wait until the third round to get a RB.

if youre just trying to maximize draft value, then I get this. Or if you had to draft a whole team in one year, for example, then this kind of thinking makes a lot of sense.

But as youve said, our roster is pretty deep now, we could go to war with just what we have and do better than we have in many years prior.

So rather than thinking that you could get Brashard Smith with a lower pick, you have to remember that it isnt just what you paid for them that matters, but how good they are on the field.

For example, getting Braxton Jones with a 5th round pick was incredible value. He has definitely outperformed his draft position. But is he as good as the other players on the OL now? And isnt that the real question when it comes to playing games?

To me there are 3 or 4 backs I would like to see on the Bears in this years draft:

Ashton Jeanty, Kaleb Johnson, TreVeyon Henderson and Bo Sketebo

Im not a fan of Hampton, and while the other may represent draft value, I dont think they are better than Swift and Roschon Johnson. And I think thats the real question?

[Stinger226]

6 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

if youre just trying to maximize draft value, then I get this. Or if you had to draft a whole team in one year, for example, then this kind of thinking makes a lot of sense.

But as youve said, our roster is pretty deep now, we could go to war with just what we have and do better than we have in many years prior.

So rather than thinking that you could get Brashard Smith with a lower pick, you have to remember that it isnt just what you paid for them that matters, but how good they are on the field.

For example, getting Braxton Jones with a 5th round pick was incredible value. He has definitely outperformed his draft position. But is he as good as the other players on the OL now? And isnt that the real question when it comes to playing games?

I am speaking from the point of view that the bears think Swift is a good RB and are just seeking a complement choice. Most people think we need a Jeanty or Hampton, I think the bears don't think that.

[Stinger226]

I will add, Jeanty is a special back that I don't think will be there at 10. So is Hampton worth 10, I don't think so. As you they are going to add a OL, DL (S,TE, WR) with first 3 picks. I think that's the plan ( group of players) that Johnson was talking about.

[BearFan PHX]

To me Hampton isn't in my top 4.

Hes physically imposing, accelerates hard to the hole, is always falling forward, and they leaned on him to carry the offense, so he is durable too. those are the plusses everyone sees.

But to me he has poor instincts as a HB. I don't like his vision at all, he makes bad choices all the time, his cuts are really sloppy, often taking extra choppy steps, and rounding off what should be tighter corners. He goes down too easily, and has like zero wiggle to elude tackles.

He runs like a fullback to me. His size is imposing, but it goes along with all the big man problems in terms of agility, elusiveness. He doesnt even punish tacklers with stiff arms and the like. Hes a big athlete, but maybe not a natural HB.

My top backs are (in order) Jeanty, Kaleb Johnson, TreVayon Henderson, Bo Skatebo and THEN Hampton is below them with some others. I just dont see a running back talent in Hampton. Tons of physical talent, like good 40 time, 6' etc, but he doesnt really play the position, and I think he will be exposed in the NFL.

[AZ54]

16 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

To me Hampton isn't in my top 4.

Hes physically imposing, accelerates hard to the hole, is always falling forward, and they leaned on him to carry the offense, so he is durable too. those are the plusses everyone sees.

But to me he has poor instincts as a HB. I don't like his vision at all, he makes bad choices all the time, his cuts are really sloppy, often taking extra choppy steps, and rounding off what should be tighter corners. He goes down too easily, and has like zero wiggle to elude tackles.

He runs like a fullback to me. His size is imposing, but it goes along with all the big man problems in terms of agility, elusiveness. He doesnt even punish tacklers with stiff arms and the like. Hes a big athlete, but maybe not a natural HB.

My top backs are (in order) Jeanty, Kaleb Johnson, TreVayon Henderson, Bo Skatebo and THEN Hampton is below them with some others. I just dont see a running back talent in Hampton. Tons of physical talent, like good 40 time, 6' etc, but he doesnt really play the position, and I think he will be exposed in the NFL.

I don't like him either, at least not as a 1st Rd RB.  IHe has better contact balance and power than Kaleb Johnson but Johnson has a better feel for the blocking IMO.  Jeanty is top RB for sure but after that I can be happy with any of 4 or 5 guys but Treveyon Henderson is not one of them.  He's too similar to Swift.  

[BearFan PHX]

12 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I don't like him either, at least not as a 1st Rd RB.  IHe has better contact balance and power than Kaleb Johnson but Johnson has a better feel for the blocking IMO.  Jeanty is top RB for sure but after that I can be happy with any of 4 or 5 guys but Treveyon Henderson is not one of them.  He's too similar to Swift.  

I dunno, I see KJ as a better power back even than Hampton. I dont see a lot of contact balance in Hampton, he goes down on the first hit too often. Ill give him that he falls forward when he does, but KJ is a real HB, and Hampton is just a big guy that can run a 4.4 40, but doesnt cut and you dont see it on the field.

I havent watched a lot of henderson, so i was including him as a courtesy to all ive read about him. I probably shouldnt do that.

For me, I want Jeanty, KJ or Skatebo, the rest are not necessarily better than Swift IMO.

And any draft that includes:
Banks or Ersery
***AND***
Jeanty, KJ or Skatebo

is already a success, with at least one more big name coming from the first two rounds!

[DABEARSDABOMB]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

yes i agree. I put safety in the WR/TE/S mix but otherwise I am exactly with you.

Lol safety was the very next one I was going to pick.