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[Stinger226]

14 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I dunno, I see KJ as a better power back even than Hampton. I dont see a lot of contact balance in Hampton, he goes down on the first hit too often. Ill give him that he falls forward when he does, but KJ is a real HB, and Hampton is just a big guy that can run a 4.4 40, but doesnt cut and you dont see it on the field.

I havent watched a lot of henderson, so i was including him as a courtesy to all ive read about him. I probably shouldnt do that.

For me, I want Jeanty, KJ or Skatebo, the rest are not necessarily better than Swift IMO.

And any draft that includes:
Banks or Ersery
***AND***
Jeanty, KJ or Skatebo

is already a success, with at least one more big name coming from the first two rounds!

Need to Judkins to that list. He's got a lot of power.

[BearFan PHX]

18 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Lol safety was the very next one I was going to pick. 

its funny, we are all so educated now on this draft. this board is excellent. we debate, argue, but in the end I think this community is more educated on the draft players and scenarios than most Bears talk shows, no less other boards.

[BearFan PHX]

4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Need to Judkins to that list. He's got a lot of power.

for sure, but KJ is more than just power, I'm just saying he has more power than Hampton. Hampton has the body, but doesnt seem to really know how to use it.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

for sure, but KJ is more than just power, I'm just saying he has more power than Hampton. Hampton has the body, but doesnt seem to really know how to use it.

I'm not complaining about KJ, I'd love to have him, it's just Junkins will be a very good player, better than Henderson. Henderson is a Swift type in an offense, we need a compliment back with power.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I'm not complaining about KJ, I'd love to have him, it's just Junkins will be a very good player, better than Henderson. Henderson is a Swift type in an offense, we need a compliment back with power.

assuming we are building around Swift, which Im not convinced of, but we can disagree.

[AZ54]

58 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

assuming we are building around Swift, which Im not convinced of, but we can disagree.

I’m very confident we’re not building around Swift which is exactly why we don’t need two of that type of RB. 

[BearFan PHX]

32 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I’m very confident we’re not building around Swift which is exactly why we don’t need two of that type of RB. 

me too. Swift is good, better than a lot of backs, but he's not good enough to dominate.

[Stinger226]

Swift will succeed in a Johnson offense, he's not a star but because of his contract, he's not going to be discarded. Someone like Judkins could be effective and  a load back if they wanted to do that with 4.48 speed. When his contract is over he will be gone but the star of this offense has to be Caleb. 

I think if any of the blue players drop, we will take one and that could be Jeanty. I won't complain but don't think he makes it to 10.

The AZ members should have a better read than me but I like Skattebo. Not a speedy guy but a punishing slippy runner.

[BearFan PHX]

39 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Swift will succeed in a Johnson offense, he's not a star but because of his contract, he's not going to be discarded. Someone like Judkins could be effective and  a load back if they wanted to do that with 4.48 speed. When his contract is over he will be gone but the star of this offense has to be Caleb. 

I think if any of the blue players drop, we will take one and that could be Jeanty. I won't complain but don't think he makes it to 10.

The AZ members should have a better read than me but I like Skattebo. Not a speedy guy but a punishing slippy runner.

I think they are putting together a team that will have chemistry for several years. SO from that point of view, they could get swifts replacement this year even if they wait until next year to cut him - especially if its only a rookie contract.

[Stinger226]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think they are putting together a team that will have chemistry for several years. SO from that point of view, they could get swifts replacement this year even if they wait until next year to cut him - especially if its only a rookie contract.

I agree with that. Players like Judkins, KJ, can compliment him and get a larger role in the future. There are 30 draftable RBs and probably 4 go in first 2 rounds, we will get a good one.

[AZ54]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think they are putting together a team that will have chemistry for several years. SO from that point of view, they could get swifts replacement this year even if they wait until next year to cut him - especially if its only a rookie contract.

I think ideally we get someone who can do it all including pass pro so the whole playbook is open when they are on the field.  Overlooked by most is  the fact Johnson liked David Montgomery who had no elite traits.    While he was a cast off from the Bears Johnson managed to put up 30 plus points per game with him.  Who in this draft in draft has similar traits?   Jeanty for sure with more speed but there are others.  

[BearFan PHX]

19 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I think ideally we get someone who can do it all including pass pro so the whole playbook is open when they are on the field.  Overlooked by most is  the fact Johnson liked David Montgomery who had no elite traits.    While he was a cast off from the Bears Johnson managed to put up 30 plus points per game with him.  Who in this draft in draft has similar traits?   Jeanty for sure with more speed but there are others.  

KJ has that too, and hes faster. my biggest concern with KJ is that on pretty much every play Ive seen, his blocking was immaculate. You gotta love the way KJ runs forward, and hits the hole fast, and is able to cut and shift without losing any forward momentum (contrast with Hampton who needs three steps to cut!) but if Im being honest, I dont know how KJ looks without blocking.

I can look to his contact balance when he gets hit, which is excellent, and his quick decisions and vision as positive traits. But Iowas OL did a really good job.

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I think ideally we get someone who can do it all including pass pro so the whole playbook is open when they are on the field.  Overlooked by most is  the fact Johnson liked David Montgomery who had no elite traits.    While he was a cast off from the Bears Johnson managed to put up 30 plus points per game with him.  Who in this draft in draft has similar traits?   Jeanty for sure with more speed but there are others.  

If one of the main criterias of a RB is pass blocking, then LeQuint Allen is your guy . Draft Buzz has him rated by far the best pass blocker. 

[dawhizz]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

If one of the main criterias of a RB is pass blocking, then LeQuint Allen is your guy . Draft Buzz has him rated by far the best pass blocker. 

I’ve heard TreVeon Henderson is very good as well. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

2 hours ago, dawhizz said:

I’ve heard TreVeon Henderson is very good as well. 

He's just an all around good player, imo.  

[Stinger226]

Jeanty is a given but the rest of the RB room is a debate. Hell RJ Harvey or Dylan Sampson could end up being real good. It's not always the obvious choice. 

I'll hang my hat on Cam Skattebo. 

[BearFan PHX]

17 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Jeanty is a given but the rest of the RB room is a debate. Hell RJ Harvey or Dylan Sampson could end up being real good. It's not always the obvious choice. 

I'll hang my hat on Cam Skattebo. 

there are lots of decent backs in this one.

For me Jeanty is special, and I like Kaleb Johnson and Cam Skatebo a lot too.

But there are probably 6 or 8 backs that could meaningfully contribute to an NFL team in this draft, but only a few are problems for defenses.

[AZ54]

20 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Jeanty is a given but the rest of the RB room is a debate. Hell RJ Harvey or Dylan Sampson could end up being real good. It's not always the obvious choice. 

I'll hang my hat on Cam Skattebo. 

So many to choose from just within the 3rd Rd grades.  

 

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

So many to choose from just within the 3rd Rd grades.  

 

Honest question, dont mean to sound sarcastic at all:

Do you think Kaleb Johnson will be there when we pick in the 3rd? I dont. I dont even think Saketabo will be there.

[Stinger226]

22 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Honest question, dont mean to sound sarcastic at all:

Do you think Kaleb Johnson will be there when we pick in the 3rd? I dont. I dont even think Saketabo will be there.

I think KJ will be gone but we pick early in round 3, very possible Cam Skattebo could be there. Draft Buzz lists him as a 4th round pick. Several have him 3rd and lower.

[Stinger226]

DA talked yesterday about he liked Spider-Man playing some saftey. Tyranny Mathieu played that role for DA in NO and he was pretty good.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

37 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Honest question, dont mean to sound sarcastic at all:

Do you think Kaleb Johnson will be there when we pick in the 3rd? I dont. I dont even think Saketabo will be there.

Kaleb will be gone in round 2, Scattebo, I would think goes round 3.  

If the Bears cannot afford to spend a 2nd, I am good with Scat in rd3.  I don't see him surviving more than 4 years of NFL with his gritty style.  He also needs to drastically improve in pass pro. 

 

[AZ54]

56 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Honest question, dont mean to sound sarcastic at all:

Do you think Kaleb Johnson will be there when we pick in the 3rd? I dont. I dont even think Saketabo will be there.

I absolutely think Skattebo will be on the board for us in the 3rd Rd when we pick... because he lacks speed and that is the darling of many GMs and coaches.   FWIW I think his 5yd burst is elite and pairs very nicely with his very good contact balance.  That's why so many 2nd and 3rd defenders looking to join the gang tackle just grab air.  Then he gets run down from behind 10yds later.  Jeanty is very similar in how he plays off the contact but he has long speed.  

Scanning NFL.com team needs I see 11 teams listed as needing a RB.  Like the Bears all of them have 5 top needs listed.   There is zero chance all 11 draft a RB in the first 2 rounds but let's say 5 or even 6 teams do (one could be us but that doesn't change the question of if Cam is on the board at 72).   Who gets drafted in those rounds:

Jeanty, Hampton,  Henderson, Kalen Johnson.... seems clear those are the top 4 in many places.   

After that it's a mish-mash of names on the rankings lists depending on where you look.  Judkins is often listed as 5 but in reality 5-10 likely have very similar grades so it becomes a preference of running style/scheme fit/need (i.e. chain mover or big gain RB).   I'm pretty sure all of those players are faster than Skattebo's 4.65 forty, who is going to be a chain mover.  If all you want is a chain mover there are good options for that who are faster than Skattebo such as Damien Martinez.  

Certainly we could see 2 or 3 RBs go right before us in Rd 3 but I still think Cam isn't one of them.  As usual all of the top 10 drafting teams suck.   If you are rebuilding and don't draft Jeanty then there is far better value players at more important positions to help your rebuild in Rd 1 and 2.   With this much depth at a devalued position it wouldn't surprise me if only 2 RBs are off the board for either of our 2nd Rd picks.  That early 2nd range might be where the number of trades increases as playoff teams trade up for a key talent in the top 40 or 50 where there are still starting caliber players on the board.     Depending how far they move up a playoff team is giving up a late 3rd or 4th Rd pick.  

[BearFan PHX]

I just feel like if we think a guy is a gem in the 3rd, some other team will want him in the 2nd.

All these mock drafts make us too comfortable, seeing great names we are thrilled to see in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But if we are thrilled with them as a 3rd round pick, somewhere a GM is thinking about getting him a little earlier.

I feel like Skatebo could go earlier, although AZ54, that was a good case you made regarding his drawbacks. They cut both ways of course, available to us, but lacking as a prospect in some way. But I like Saktebo on film a lot, and I really think someone will thinks so too int he 2nd round.

Maybe I'm just having a tougher time internalizing that teams don't value HB as a position to draft high.

I'm starting to get nervous now. There are total crap scenarios for us out there, I hope that's not how the board falls.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I just feel like if we think a guy is a gem in the 3rd, some other team will want him in the 2nd.

All these mock drafts make us too comfortable, seeing great names we are thrilled to see in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But if we are thrilled with them as a 3rd round pick, somewhere a GM is thinking about getting him a little earlier.

I feel like Skatebo could go earlier, although AZ54, that was a good case you made regarding his drawbacks. They cut both ways of course, available to us, but lacking as a prospect in some way. But I like Saktebo on film a lot, and I really think someone will thinks so too int he 2nd round.

Maybe I'm just having a tougher time internalizing that teams don't value HB as a position to draft high.

I'm starting to get nervous now. There are total crap scenarios for us out there, I hope that's not how the board falls.

You seem to focus in on a specific player and if we don't get that player it's a bad draft. Clearly if we don't take Banks, you will have comments to make. Now if we don't get CJ, I expect the same.

I have wants to but I have many scenarios I would be happy with.  

Jeanty+

Judkins+

kJ+

Cam Skattebo+

Brashard Smith+

I also could see Jayden Blue as a late round take even with another RB, to use his speed in packages as a weapon 

 

I'm just not struck on one.