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[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think that's all fair. If someone thinks Jeanty is a better choice for example, I can't say they're wrong. All I can say is that Banks is a hell of a LT prospect, and the film doesn't agree with the weird media narratives I've been reading.

I'm glad you watched it. You can see they really know what they're saying, and I've learned so much watching them over the years. And like i said, DDP has a huge ego and he is a total blowhard. When the tape is rolling, I love him, the rest of the time, it's like a WWE wrestler talking trash LOL

And like you said, when you see him against the great pass rushers, you really get to see it. He also shut down Will Anderson when he was a freshman. But moslty, i just see his pad level, his intelligence, his desire, his excellent feet and hips. He looks really good to me, and at 20 years old, he can still put some weight on and get coached up to be even better.

His ceiling is sky high I think, and his floor is capable. If we want a LT, he'd be my pick.

I will mention Phil is annoying.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I will mention Phil is annoying.

he REALLY is. but I also think he's got about as good an eye for analysis as I see on the web. His reads on JF and Caleb were much better from my point of view, than Kurt Warner, and the others included. I do think JT OSullivan does a good job too. But Phil's are just as good, and often more insightful or educational that the youtube ones. Probably because Phil is a giant nerd, and the youtube pros are calibrating the level of detail to what people have the patience to watch.

He is particularly good on OL, HB and QB breakdowns.

But like with anyone, I dont always agree with him, he claims something, and the film is running, and you can see if you agree with him, or think he's calling it wrong. So I don't hear it like preaching, it's more like a guide to your own analysis.

I also like how for draft evaluations, he will show you a complete half of a game, not cherry picked, and he will show you like 4 different opponents, especially the ones where they go up against other good players. And they will leave in and call out the bad reps too. No one is perfect. So it gives a fuller view of the players?

 

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

he REALLY is. but I also think he's got about as good an eye for analysis as I see on the web. His reads on JF and Caleb were much better from my point of view, than Kurt Warner, and the others included. I do think JT OSullivan does a good job too. But Phil's are just as good, and often more insightful or educational that the youtube ones. Probably because Phil is a giant nerd, and the youtube pros are calibrating the level of detail to what people have the patience to watch.

He is particularly good on OL, HB and QB breakdowns.

But like with anyone, I dont always agree with him, he claims something, and the film is running, and you can see if you agree with him, or think he's calling it wrong. So I don't hear it like preaching, it's more like a guide to your own analysis.

I also like how for draft evaluations, he will show you a complete half of a game, not cherry picked, and he will show you like 4 different opponents, especially the ones where they go up against other good players. And they will leave in and call out the bad reps too. No one is perfect. So it gives a fuller view of the players?

 

I have probably watched 5 shows, not enough to agree or disagree with you. If someone annoys me I tend to not watch regularly. 

I tend to watch people that give out positive vibes, not that they aren't negative on some comments but just don't lecture you on a point to nausea. 

[BearFan PHX]

25 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I have probably watched 5 shows, not enough to agree or disagree with you. If someone annoys me I tend to not watch regularly. 

I tend to watch people that give out positive vibes, not that they aren't negative on some comments but just don't lecture you on a point to nausea. 

I generally agree, I just find the tape analysis so much better than anywhere else that I put up with it. I agree with him a lot, so when he rants it's less offensive i guess because i agree with the point even if the show is over the top.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I generally agree, I just find the tape analysis so much better than anywhere else that I put up with it. I agree with him a lot, so when he rants it's less offensive i guess because i agree with the point even if the show is over the top.

When is the last time you disagreed with Phil on a player? 

When I look to find people that agree with my opinion that is what I post. Lets say 50% agree and disagree with. I'm going to show you the people that align with my opinion. I would say the fact they (scouts) are divided makes a statement in itself to me.

If we draft him at 10 then the bears see him as a plus player, if they don't that means they have or just find another more valuable to them. 

I trust the Bears scouting gives them much more perspective than me. If we take him, I hope he becomes a pro bowl type. If he is just a little better than Braxton, I would say that's a fail.( Didn't live up to expectations). 

[BearFan PHX]

Draft Buzz has changed their rankings and now Banks is their #6 ranked player overall, OT1. In mock drafts on that site it is almost impossible to get Banks at 10 anymore.

I think Banks is light years ahead of Braxton Jones right now, and has room to grow.

I think Amagadje has a better chance to be our starter in 2 years than Jones does. And Banks is significantly better than each.

[AZ54]

40 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

 And Banks is significantly better than each.

Right now.  

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I think Amagadje has a better chance to be our starter in 2 years than Jones does. And Banks is significantly better than each.

Coach Dan talked about how he believes Kiran has really good lower power and length.  Braxton's weakness.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Right now.  

exactly and hes only 20. Banks is going to be a plus player in the NFL, especially with a guy like Roushar to guide him - I just worry hell be gone before pick 10.

[BearFan PHX]

32 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Coach Dan talked about how he believes Kiran has really good lower power and length.  Braxton's weakness.

The book is out on Braxton now - if you need a sack, you bull rush him. Teams were able to choose which down they wanted a sack on last year. Obviously you cant bull rush someone on every down, it gets predictable and you can scheme in help, but by the second half of the season, on critical downs, it was all bull rush.

[AZ54]

53 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

The book is out on Braxton now - if you need a sack, you bull rush him. Teams were able to choose which down they wanted a sack on last year. Obviously you cant bull rush someone on every down, it gets predictable and you can scheme in help, but by the second half of the season, on critical downs, it was all bull rush.

Braxton struggles with bull rushers but on 719 snaps he gave up a total of 5 sacks in 2024, and that's with Caleb holding onto the ball too long on many plays.   If it were dial up a bull rush and get a sack, especially as you said every critical down in the 2nd half of the season where our offense was really stuck in the mud, I'd expect a lot more sacks than 5 total.   Fortunately not every DE is Jared Verse or Myles Garrett or there'd be more than 5.   

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Braxton struggles with bull rushers but on 719 snaps he gave up a total of 5 sacks in 2024, and that's with Caleb holding onto the ball too long on many plays.   If it were dial up a bull rush and get a sack, especially as you said every critical down in the 2nd half of the season where our offense was really stuck in the mud, I'd expect a lot more sacks than 5 total.   Fortunately not every DE is Jared Verse or Myles Garrett or there'd be more than 5.   

youre right! I should have said a pressure. Caleb has great escapability, so a lot of times that Braxton got pushed back it wasnt a sack per se. I do know that on key downs Caleb didnt have as much time as I (or he!) would have liked. I should have said it like that.

[Mongo3451]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

youre right! I should have said a pressure. Caleb has great escapability, so a lot of times that Braxton got pushed back it wasnt a sack per se. I do know that on key downs Caleb didnt have as much time as I (or he!) would have liked. I should have said it like that.

Pass rushers are constantly setting things up for the crucial downs.  Defenders talk and guys in the box see.  They didn't always bull rush Braxton, because the other guy is running his thing.  That's why Braxton couldn't tell a thing.  Pressure was really bad for us when things counted.  Caleb also played his best during this, which gives me hope for him.  It won't be the same disaster this year.

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

exactly and hes only 20. Banks is going to be a plus player in the NFL, especially with a guy like Roushar to guide him - I just worry hell be gone before pick 10.

I am seeing a lot more love for Banks lately. That's probably not a good thing because that means he's  not going to be there at 10. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I am seeing a lot more love for Banks lately. That's probably not a good thing because that means he's  not going to be there at 10. 

If the Membo hype stays alive, since I don't think 3 OTs go before we pick.   I think the Bears would take Campbell or Banks because they both have played the position and Roushar can get them polished to play.  Banks I think has the better tools to succeed but I don't discount Campbell's drive.

[dawhizz]

I gotta say, I tried watching Banks game son YouTube (the Georgia game specifically) and while I can get something out of a lot of positions, I just can’t delineate between Gail’s and great O-line play to determine if a guy is worth a top ten pick or not. I don’t know what he’s supposed to be doing, what his assignment is, what the QB/RB is supposed to be doing. It seems like throughout the offseason, the theme is “In Ben Johnson We Trust”. He obviously getting a lot of input on the moves being made. We seem to have hired a defensive coordinator and an O-line coach people think are very good. So at this point if we take Banks at #10, I have to believe that Ben and the rest of the coaching staff is as in on the pick as Poles is and so let’s give them the same benefit of the doubt we seem to be giving to the Jonah Jackson move and Grady Jarrett signing, and all the others. I have my preferences, but I’m  not going to pretend I know how any of these guys are going to pan out or fit with what they are trying to build. 

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I am seeing a lot more love for Banks lately. That's probably not a good thing because that means he's  not going to be there at 10. 

Im afraid youre right. I just think its funny that the machine has to go through so many iterations just to land on what the film said from the beginning. DDPhil likes Campbell too, has him as his #2 OT, I think he's got real problems. That's one I disagree on.

If Banks is gone, we are free to look at any of the other options like DL or skill position after all. But i really think that Banks is the right choice for us if he falls to us.

[BearFan PHX]

31 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

I gotta say, I tried watching Banks game son YouTube (the Georgia game specifically) and while I can get something out of a lot of positions, I just can’t delineate between Gail’s and great O-line play to determine if a guy is worth a top ten pick or not. I don’t know what he’s supposed to be doing, what his assignment is, what the QB/RB is supposed to be doing. It seems like throughout the offseason, the theme is “In Ben Johnson We Trust”. He obviously getting a lot of input on the moves being made. We seem to have hired a defensive coordinator and an O-line coach people think are very good. So at this point if we take Banks at #10, I have to believe that Ben and the rest of the coaching staff is as in on the pick as Poles is and so let’s give them the same benefit of the doubt we seem to be giving to the Jonah Jackson move and Grady Jarrett signing, and all the others. I have my preferences, but I’m  not going to pretend I know how any of these guys are going to pan out or fit with what they are trying to build. 

I mostly look at these things:

Pad Level
Footwork = keeping a base under you as the rusher moves
Back Bend = sinking the butt and pushing up to absorb energy
Fluidity in the hips = getting reestablished as the angles change
Raw Strength = country strong
Hand Fighting
Punching vs catching = rhythm. when you engage
Intelligence = reading stunts, finding the right guy to block
Speed in pulling and getting to the 2nd level, if necessary for the position or scheme
Desire = play to the whistle or give up

And then in doing all this, is it fluid or clumsy. Does it look under control or like chaos is about to erupt at any moment.

Also to the idea of how they will pan out, no one can know that of course! All we can do is evaluate where they are right now. How a kid will be in 2 years with NFL coaching is hard to say, but what traits they have, and what problems they have should be apparent in the tape.

[Stinger226]

Just listen to the Score segment with Ourlads leading scout. ( They are a scouting report that 26 NFL teams purchase every year)  and he was saying NEs going to draft Jeanty. I haven't heard one other pundit say that. It actually makes sense with Vrabel being their new coach . Derrick Henry was his offense in Tennessee.

Also that the bears will have the choice of the first tackle off the board Campbell or Membou. He says he thinks they take Campbell. Haugh mentioned Banks and he said as a freshman banks was rated to be the best OT in this draft but has never gotten better in 3 years. He says he will be moved to guard in the NFL. 

He also said Campbell will be tried at LT but he used a term I have never before ( wingspan differential) and said it's the worst of any lineman this year. His wingspan is shorter than his height. He said his tape is good against elite competition but will eventually be moved to guard. 

None of that interview suggests we should draft him at 10. Also he thinks Mason Graham will be available at 10 .