#10 Pick Prediction

[Stinger226]

11 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

thats always the best. my advice is dont just judge the outcome of the rep, but the style, the technique, you wanna see low pads, arching back when absorbing energy, low butt. One thing that could be better for Bansk is that he sometimes tries to initiate contact a little too early int he run game, so he lunges. But I think its better to teach someone patience, than to try to light a fuse under them.

I highly recommend that TTNL footage on the Georgia game, Ill link it here again. He goes into detail about what to look for. I know hes abrasive, but he knows what hes talking about and he is like a guide to remind you where to look. ANd hes facing two top draft prospects 1 on 1.

Definitely start at 19:00 in to skip the crap.
 

 

Thanks 

[BearFan PHX]

The old dad on the bottom of the screen was a successful college head coach, and he was offered OL coach positions in the NFL multiple times. So he understands blocking schemes and technique, and he taught is son, Phil, OL play all growing up. Phil played WR at Hofstra. He wasnt very good. Not fast enough. LOL

But when the old guy says something, I definitely listen and look at what hes talking about to see.

[dawhizz]

Tony Pauline saying Conerly a possibility at 10. 
 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-red-flags-will-johnson-jihaad-campbell-possible-kirk-cousins-saints-trade

[ASHKUM BEAR]

5 hours ago, dawhizz said:

Tony Pauline saying Conerly a possibility at 10. 
 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-red-flags-will-johnson-jihaad-campbell-possible-kirk-cousins-saints-trade

Sounds like they are interested in a guy who slots at G/T, which seems to be Banks 😜  

At least there are nuggets about the Bears serious about adding to oline after spending a ton of money and picks this year.  As we have seen, injuries happen and building depth is a key to winning

[dawhizz]

Lots of chatter that the Bears are trying to trade up for either Ashton Jeanty or maybe up to #3 for Abdul Carter.

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, dawhizz said:

Lots of chatter that the Bears are trying to trade up for either Ashton Jeanty or maybe up to #3 for Abdul Carter.

You know me, I want a LT. Not because I am a huge fan of anyone, but because I think it's the prudent thing to do. But I'm not gonna lie, if we got Jeanty into a Bears uniform, that'd be really exciting.

[AZ54]

16 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

How does Kelvin Banks play too high? If you watch the tape he has great pad level. Campbell plays too high.

Also, he did very well against top competition. I dont get it.

It's like living in crazyland. PFF and Daniel Jeremiah. If thats what they think, then they shouldn't be analysts!

Someone show me 5 snaps where Banks plays too high!

And please dont get me wrong, this isn't Banks love from me. The reason I like Banks is because hes good. I didnt randomly pick him and then decide to defend him! The only reason I like him in the first place is his tape!

No clue.  Plus I tried to summarize about ten hours of opinions.  Can easily be my mistake too.  

[AZ54]

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/04/23/2025-nfl-draft-bears-will-campbell-play-left-tackle/83230685007/

“If they draft me, I’m playing left tackle," Campbell said Wednesday, via Jason Lieser.

[BearFan PHX]

47 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

No clue.  Plus I tried to summarize about ten hours of opinions.  Can easily be my mistake too.  

Thank you for saying that. I am really not interested in blame, you or anyone. I just feel like I'm in crazytown sometimes because I see one thing clearly on tape, and keep reading things that don't align with it. it reminds me of the early days of coming to grips with the idea that Justin Fields wasnt going to work out. Or that Caleb Williams would be a bad pick. Or when PFF tells us Charles Leno and Braxton Jones are top 15 OTs in the league. It's insane!

And anyway, you've been a pretty constant Banks supporter, so i dont think it was you. But again it doesnt matter who it was, Im not looking to be right, especially at the expense of anyone on this board! I'm just baffled again by how the common wisdom gets so twisted out there in the mediasphere.

I think it's reasonable to believe that a guy like Brugler, who has spent so many hours, should be an authority and know something. But when i read what he says, it's completely crazy to me.

well we will all know soon enough now!

[AZ54]

28 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Thank you for saying that. I am really not interested in blame, you or anyone. I just feel like I'm in crazytown sometimes because I see one thing clearly on tape, and keep reading things that don't align with it. it reminds me of the early days of coming to grips with the idea that Justin Fields wasnt going to work out. Or that Caleb Williams would be a bad pick. Or when PFF tells us Charles Leno and Braxton Jones are top 15 OTs in the league. It's insane!

And anyway, you've been a pretty constant Banks supporter, so i dont think it was you. But again it doesnt matter who it was, Im not looking to be right, especially at the expense of anyone on this board! I'm just baffled again by how the common wisdom gets so twisted out there in the mediasphere.

I think it's reasonable to believe that a guy like Brugler, who has spent so many hours, should be an authority and know something. But when i read what he says, it's completely crazy to me.

well we will all know soon enough now!

I haven’t watched a ton of film on Banks but have seen some.  I think his floor is  most likely on par with Jones.  What I have not really figured is where his ceiling is supposed to be.  Even if the ceiling is close to Jones and the team wants to keep LT on a rookie deal for 5 years I’m ok with the plan.   I’m pretty sure Banks will be there at 10.  If we don’t draft him I think that means they see Kiran as the future.  I just can’t see them risking LT as an issue to fix next year.  

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I haven’t watched a ton of film on Banks but have seen some.  I think his floor is  most likely on par with Jones.  What I have not really figured is where his ceiling is supposed to be.  Even if the ceiling is close to Jones and the team wants to keep LT on a rookie deal for 5 years I’m ok with the plan.   I’m pretty sure Banks will be there at 10.  If we don’t draft him I think that means they see Kiran as the future.  I just can’t see them risking LT as an issue to fix next year.  

I think Banks is a much better player than Jones right now. His floor is already pretty high. If you watch him, he's amazing. He's a pro bowler in the next couple of years for sure i think, and his ceiling is even higher than that. Cant say he will reach it, or injuries or whatever, but there is a decent chance you get a true 14 year player at LT who goes to the HOF at the end of it all. He has the tools for that. ANd he has Roushar to help him grow to fulfill that potential.

But he is a starter right now, and your point about contracts is a good one too. Maybe they're thinking they'll ride with Jones this year, and draft a LT next year. Or maybe a draft day trade includes a vet LT from a team looking to draft a new one. That's a wrinkle we havent really talked about, but happens in my DraftBuzz mocks sometimes.

Anyway, I think he is a blue chip prospect. But so is Jeanty and some others. You all know I think the disciplined move is to take the LT, but my heart would do flips if we got Jeanty. My brain would be concerned about LT, and my heart would be looking forward to Sundays, having a real Bear HB again.

[Stinger226]

If they feel LT is a dire need, they will draft one at 10. When you talk about Jones, you keep living out Kiran. Poles drafted him to compete and eventually play LT. Jones doesn't deserve a big money contract and someone will give it to him. He'll draft a LT to compete with Kiran more than Jones. He's just letting it play out. Whether 10-39-41 we will have another LT.

[Mongo3451]

11 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Jones doesn't deserve a big money contract and someone will give it to him.

The worst rated OT in the NFL got a 4/84mil contract this year. 

I'm banking on Jones having a really good year.  Fifteen pounds, strength training and good coaching will do him wonders.

[BearFan PHX]

I worry that Jones wont be ready for mini camp with his injury, and while I do give Kiran a pass for last year, he hasnt yet shown anything I can hang my hat on to say "sure he can play LT"

We beefed up the rest of the OL, it seems like the job is unfinished if we dont fix this last piece, and protecting Caleb is paramount this year.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I worry that Jones wont be ready for mini camp with his injury, and while I do give Kiran a pass for last year, he hasnt yet shown anything I can hang my hat on to say "sure he can play LT"

We beefed up the rest of the OL, it seems like the job is unfinished if we dont fix this last piece, and protecting Caleb is paramount this year.

You take risk with draft picks, 50% fail in the first round. It may take a year to get acclimated to the NFL which means he wouldn't starting his first year. 

Anthony Becton failed and Eagles got him on the cheap and made him a RG. Nothing comes with guarantees.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I worry that Jones wont be ready for mini camp with his injury, and while I do give Kiran a pass for last year, he hasnt yet shown anything I can hang my hat on to say "sure he can play LT"

We beefed up the rest of the OL, it seems like the job is unfinished if we dont fix this last piece, and protecting Caleb is paramount this year.

Ben Johnson said they don't expect Jones to be ready.  Poles said they will bring in competition for LT.  Jones deal is up at the end of the year.   If there isn't a playmaker that can put up more points to than Swift, Moore, Odunze, or Kmet available, Johnson will want oline. 

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Ben Johnson said they don't expect Jones to be ready.  Poles said they will bring in competition for LT.  Jones deal is up at the end of the year.   If there isn't a playmaker that can put up more points to than Swift, Moore, Odunze, or Kmet available, Johnson will want oline. 

I agree, and he may even want OL anyway.

[BearFan PHX]

26 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

You take risk with draft picks, 50% fail in the first round. It may take a year to get acclimated to the NFL which means he wouldn't starting his first year. 

Anthony Becton failed and Eagles got him on the cheap and made him a RG. Nothing comes with guarantees.

Not all risks are the same. The odds that Banks will be great in the NFL are better than 50%. If they draft Banks, he will start on day 1. Even if hes better by game 9 than he is in game 1. He will still start.

We are comparing the risks of Banks becoming a dominant LT vs Amagadje becoming one?

And you're saying because there are risks on both sides, it's even? All risks are the same? I feel like we've been over this ground before.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

7 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Not all risks are the same. The odds that Banks will be great in the NFL are better than 50%. If they draft Banks, he will start on day 1. Even if hes better by game 9 than he is in game 1. He will still start.

The position with the least failure rate in round 1 is oline.  I think a RB at 10 better be an all-pro and Jeanty looks the part.  He won't last and they have other holes to plug to trade up.

[BearFan PHX]

9 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The position with the least failure rate in round 1 is oline.  I think a RB at 10 better be an all-pro and Jeanty looks the part.  He won't last and they have other holes to plug to trade up.

I want the OT, but I totally get the love for Jeanty, and if that's what happens I'm gonna love him. i just think if you do that, you might have to trade the 2nds up into the bottom of the first round for an OT, at maybe pick 20. And I hate that! Then again, if all we got was Jeanty and Ersery or Simmons (with a good bill of health?) that's still be a pretty damned good Draft.

But would Banks, Kaleb Johnson or TreVayon at HB, and a 2nd round pick on defense be better?

Thats how much better I think Jeanty has to be. And maybe he is!

[ASHKUM BEAR]

24 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I want the OT, but I totally get the love for Jeanty, and if that's what happens I'm gonna love him. i just think if you do that, you might have to trade the 2nds up into the bottom of the first round for an OT, at maybe pick 20. And I hate that! Then again, if all we got was Jeanty and Ersery or Simmons (with a good bill of health?) that's still be a pretty damned good Draft.

But would Banks, Kaleb Johnson or TreVayon at HB, and a 2nd round pick on defense be better?

Thats how much better I think Jeanty has to be. And maybe he is!

I completely agree and every mock I do thinking my way is oline (Banks) round 1. Too many DTs, RBs round 2.  I'd even trade down with one to get a S or TE round 3.  Winston from Penn St would be a 3rd round steal.   

[BearFan PHX]

17 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I completely agree and every mock I do thinking my way is oline (Banks) round 1. Too many DTs, RBs round 2.  I'd even trade down with one to get a S or TE round 3.  Winston from Penn St would be a 3rd round steal.   

I really like S Malakai Starks - he wont be there in the 2nd, but in mocks he is sometimes. If the right DL is there, you gotta take em, but I love Starks' game too. He's a real ballhawk who can hit too.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

19 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I really like S Malakai Starks - he wont be there in the 2nd, but in mocks he is sometimes. If the right DL is there, you gotta take em, but I love Starks' game too. He's a real ballhawk who can hit too.

Winston was a 1st round prospect and blew his acl.  He could be a value at rd 3, especially having Brisker/Byard.

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Winston was a 1st round prospect and blew his acl.  He could be a value at rd 3, especially having Brisker/Byard.

I don't know Winston, but I believe you. I guess he and Simmons are in somewhat of the same position, and both available to be sure.

I know about 50 or 60 players. 35 or so near the top, and then some favorites sprinkled through the rounds. There are lots of great 3rd round and lower guys I've never heard of. I know Poles has! But if he's a stud at S, and we have a year for him to rehab and get well before needing him next year, that's a plus for sure.