Clenched_CLAW Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 2008 NFL Draft - Bears' View According to Drew Boylhart from The Huddle Report.com: “If the Bears don't pick an O-lineman at this spot (#14) then the team will not improve.“ I agree with this statement, but not the use of a double negative nor the selection of Gosder. Furthermore, I understand not everyone would agree with the statement, yet, I think most can see the logic for the assertion. It is for that reason that I began my 2008 NFL draft analysis with the offensive linemen. I tried to arrange the players within a given position according to an aggregation of media review (film and print), scout opinions (NFL.com, draft sites, etc.), and the perceived value of a given player. Furthermore, I listed the O-linemen I’d like to see drafted in the first round and thereafter the players are grouped according to second and third round plus and arranged by the previously mentioned criteria. I understand only 1 player will likely be drafted in the second and 2 in the third, but, the players not selected from the second round group would be great options for the third and beyond (+) and the same for third rounders who will become more valuable with each passing round. Lastly, each group will have a reason for a second round selection because there are a number of holes that could use a high draft pick to help fill. OL First Ryan Clady Chris Williams Branden Albert Second OL Plan 2A: If a LOT is chosen in the first a Guard like: Mike Mcglynn would be a great selection. or if a LG is chosen in the first, a raw OLT like: Oniel Cousins could learn from Tait while Tait helps the rookie LG before moving to ROT or ROG to end his career with the Bears. Similarly, these 2 would make a great OL Plan 2B: John Greco Jeremy Zuttah Third+ Offensive Line is an area that will likely need 2 promising rookies, so if a second is not chosen in the second, then perhaps one of these players or another that falls from the previous group: Chad Rinehart Anthony Collins Mike Gibson Robert Felton Gosder Cherilus *I realize this is unlikely, but, this is where I see his value Pedro Sosa Jeff Otah *Same as Gosder note Drew Radovich Duane Brown DT Another option to consider in the second would be to find another 3 technique defensive tackle: Second Trevor Laws Demario Pressley Jason Jones Carlton Powell Carlton Powell Interview Third+ James Mcclinton Kendall Langford Adamm Oliver Kenny Iwebema Lionel Dotson Keilen Dykes DT Musings: How about a DT that can also play FB? Derek Lokey = DT + short-yardage fullback Lokey Looks To Lead QB Let’s keep trying for that HoF Bears’ QB: Second Josh Johnson Brian Brohm Third+ Dennis Dixon Chad Henne RB ...sigh... Second Ray Rice Matt Forte The majority of the following backs were chosen to provide Thunder for G_Wolfe’s Lightning. Third+ Thomas Brown Jerome Felton Carl Stewart Chad Simpson Lex Hilliard Xavier Omon Andre Callender Marcus Thomas Jalen Parmele Jehuu Caulcrick Yvenson Bernard Benjarvus Green Ellis Calvin Dawson S This position looked rock solid to start the season last year...is more talent needed? Second Dajuan Morgan Reggie Smith Antoine Cason Third+ Derrick Doggett Wesley Woodyard Corey Lynch - Appalachian State http://www.goasu.com/article/11121/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMtV5oaKznI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQZqkcubYjQ Regardless of whether a safety is selected sooner – one or both of these players should be considered in the seventh or as UDFA: Martel Van Zant from Oklahoma State has succeeded on the field and in the classroom despite his deafness. http://www.okstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SP...p;Q_SEASON=2007 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...zant/index.html Joe Fields - Syracuse - Converted QB - improved at Safety last 2 years http://blog.syracuse.com/haveyouheard/2008..._hula_bowl.html http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=9466 Draft Scout Joe Fields News 12/06/07 - 2007 All-BIG EAST Conference Second Team (Coaches): Safety Joe Fields finished the season tied for sixth in The BIG EAST Conference with 8.1 tackles per game. The senior led the Orange with 97 tackles, including 53 solo stops, and had four interceptions and one fumble recovery. Fields started 25 consecutive games in the secondary after moving to free safety from quarterback prior to the 2006 season. - Syracuse Sports 11/24/07 - PLAYERS TO WATCH: FS Joe Fields - The senior is fifth in the conference with 8.7 tackles per game, and his 0.40 interceptions per contest is tied for fourth in the Big East. He leads the Orange with 87 tackles, including 48 solo stops. Fields will be asked to help out on Barnett. WR Can Mark and Devin evolve into legit starters? Second Mark Bradford Darius Reynaud Earl Bennett Third+ Jordy Nelson Marcus Monk Thanks for all you did for da Bears and pro football Coach Dooley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clnr Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nice! 2 questions: What is your knock on Cherilous? Usually he's described as one of the most NFL ready tackles out there and only the fact that he's a RT and not LT makes him a low first rounder. I haven't really watched him play so I'd like to hear your opinion. And Zuttah in the second? I've read scout reports that projects him as a 7th rounder. Again, I have only seen a little clips of him play. This is not any kind of criticism, I am just curios on how you are reasoning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clenched_CLAW Posted April 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nice! Thank you! 2 questions: What is your knock on Cherilous? Usually he's described as one of the most NFL ready tackles out there and only the fact that he's a RT and not LT makes him a low first rounder. I haven't really watched him play so I'd like to hear your opinion. I saw him play several times as I was trying to evaluate Matt Ryan and he appeared very limited athletically and poor instincts about his opponents’ moves. If he were more powerful, I could see him playing RT effectively, but, he seems destined to a mediocre career and likely as a back-up, IMdO. Similarly, I'll bet someone reads how I down-graded Otah, but, he'll be a bust unless some patience and good coaching surround him and a first round selection may doom the kid. And Zuttah in the second? I've read scout reports that projects him as a 7th rounder. Again, I have only seen a little clips of him play. This is not any kind of criticism, I am just curios on how you are reasoning! IMdO, Jeremy seems to have the potential to play LT, if he is properly prepared, like a year with Rusty and watching Tait. Do you feel he is really only a 7th rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I would love Chad Rinehart in the 4th or 5th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 i got no problems going with cherilous, but if we do, id love for us to trade down as i think he will be there later in the first round...see if you can get a second rounder for moving down to the mid 20s....then hope to get a QB and RB in second round...something like gosder, henne, forte would be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 1. Williams, OT 2. Henne, QB 3. Forte, RB 3. Simpson, WR 4. Young, OG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clnr Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Thank you! IMdO, Jeremy seems to have the potential to play LT, if he is properly prepared, like a year with Rusty and watching Tait. Do you feel he is really only a 7th rounder? No, I would not grade him as a 7th. I've read a scouts report that graded him as 7th. I lack a lot of knowledge in grading OL, but I'm trying to pick up a lot. I was just curious as I've never seen him graded as high as you graded him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clenched_CLAW Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 No, I would not grade him as a 7th. I've read a scouts report that graded him as 7th. I lack a lot of knowledge in grading OL, but I'm trying to pick up a lot. I was just curious as I've never seen him graded as high as you graded him. The Sporting News Draft magazine rated Jeremy Zuttah as a fifth round guard and to be fair (and minimize the appearance of a wild statement I do have Jeremy listed as the fourth best guard or OT. Furthermore, Sporting News said Jeremy is strong and competitive, show good quickness to cut-off speed rushers, and displays good instincts. From NFL.com: At the combine Jeremy was a Top Performer in: 40-yard dash | Bench press | Vertical jump | 20-yard shuttle (an indication of power and agility) The Scouts' Analysis Analysis Positives: Good overall athleticism. ... Good initial quickness off the snap. ... Uses his hands well to position and sustain blocks, flashing some explosion and nastiness. ... Good set up in pass protection. ... Keeps his shoulders square to the defender and has the foot quickness to compete on the outside. ... Versatile offensive lineman with experience at both guard and tackle positions. ... Viewed by some as athletic and instinctive enough to project best inside at center -- a position he has never played. ... High effort player who wants to be good. Negatives: Considered by some to be a bit of a 'tweener. ... Lacks the size preferred for the outside and gets by on quickness and toughness, rather than strength, as a close-quarter run blocker. ... Lacks true explosiveness to his game and may be a bit of a finished product, considering his work ethic and toughness. How about some youtube clips: There are a few samples of Jeremy's ability in this vid, but, my favorite is at about 16/17 seconds in where he uses a powerful hand jolt. Ray Rice highlights "High effort player who wants to be good." + ability to be good = solid prospect whether it is at T, G, or C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clnr Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Thanks! Just for the record, I was not out to get you in some way, just curious! Thanks again for the good write up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clenched_CLAW Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Thanks! Just for the record, I was not out to get you in some way, just curious! Thanks again for the good write up! All good! I knew you were asking legit questions, please, feel free to talk some more player eval. I love this time of year! Just for the record, if you'd been mongo or madlith or that Chile_B guy, I'd have thought I was in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 All good! I knew you were asking legit questions, please, feel free to talk some more player eval. I love this time of year! Just for the record, if you'd been mongo or madlith or that Chile_B guy, I'd have thought I was in trouble. You in trouble, CC? From me? No way!!! It's good to see you're here and posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Ha! Clenched, there's no reason I'd give you grief! (You didn't say anything bad about Mendenahll!) All good! I knew you were asking legit questions, please, feel free to talk some more player eval. I love this time of year! Just for the record, if you'd been mongo or madlith or that Chile_B guy, I'd have thought I was in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clenched_CLAW Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 You in trouble, CC? From me? No way!!! It's good to see you're here and posting! Thank you sir, always the gentleman. Do you have your supplies laid in for the big NFL Draft Week-end? How is that Chilean Fall treating you and the Mrs. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clenched_CLAW Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Please allow me to rectify this: (You didn't say anything bad about Mendenahll!) Mendy is a fumbling bum who is unable to hold Cedric Benson's jock. . . . . . . . . Wow! That was difficult to type; I'll just apologize for it now. | | | V . . . . . . . . | | | V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Talk about a quandry! Apology accepted! Please allow me to rectify this: Mendy is a fumbling bum who is unable to hold Cedric Benson's jock. . . . . . . . . Wow! That was difficult to type; I'll just apologize for it now. | | | V . . . . . . . . | | | V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Thank you sir, always the gentleman. Do you have your supplies laid in for the big NFL Draft Week-end? How is that Chilean Fall treating you and the Mrs. ? Just got a bit warmer down here with your "scenic" post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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