CrackerDog Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Heard on Score a minute ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 He's reported to training camp as per the score & Brad biggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 LOL, you guys are quicker than me, I also was listening to the score and was going to post it on the forum, you guys are FAST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Great News, now hopefully Williams will be back on the field today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 LOL, you guys are quicker than me, Ha. I was in the car when I heard. Got out and bought my coffee and decided to see if anyone had posted it yet. Used my Blackberry which works surprisingly well for this site! Beat Brad by seconds, it appears. It'll be interesting to hear WHY he's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Great news! He has made his point. The Bears and the fans know he is upset. The Bears have said they will reward him. He will be taken care of. Time to move on. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Ha. I was in the car when I heard. Got out and bought my coffee and decided to see if anyone had posted it yet. Used my Blackberry which works surprisingly well for this site! Beat Brad by seconds, it appears. It'll be interesting to hear WHY he's back. Your computer's faster then mine! I was sitting at the computer when I heard & you still beat me to it. The Mully & Hanley show's great IMO. As for the why: He's due to make $450,000. If he sits out 30 days he'll be fined $450,000. What's he going to do, just not get a pay-check? It's all about the money. That being said, I look for him to have a new contract within the next few days. I'm sure the "We don't negotiate with players who aren't here" had something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabears33 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Great NEWS!!!!! At first I thought this was a really dumb move, but now he made his point. If he stayed out longer then it would have been stupid. I think Jerry found out how life would have been without your most potent weapon. Pay the man and we'll all be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Looks like calmer heads are prevailing as I expected! Now, Jerry, get something done and throw the man a bone! He's reported to training camp as per the score & Brad biggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Your computer's faster then mine! Actually, I used my Blackberry. I was sitting at the computer when I heard & you still beat me to it. The Mully & Hanley show's great IMO. I'm really liking it. It was easy to ignore Mike North and just become a Mike & Mike listener but these guys are good and they talk Bears all the time! I'm sure the "We don't negotiate with players who aren't here" had something to do with it. Probably. Nate Vasher got that lesson. Once you show the inmates they don't run the prison, you have some level of discipline. Plus, JA has said all the right things about recognizing it needs to be addressed. I think they'll get something done that puts a few extra bucks in his pocket at a minimum for this season with the promise that they'll tear up his contract for next year and get a longer deal done. Or they'll do something with incentives as I mentioned yesterday. The problem is the cap. Think about the entire amount of money you have to spend as this line: ******************** Most teams spend it like this: Offense: ********* Defense ********* ST ** If you need to take a big chunk from O or D and put it into ST, you don't have the money you need to pay that rookie QB we'll sign next season, Forte if he turns into a stud, Rex or Kyle if they really pan out this year and take the next step, etc etc etc... You can't play it for just this year. You've got to look at the long term impact of what you do. So, if Hester turns into a #2 WR he gets another $4 million bonus. If he turns into a #1 WR he gets $4 million more. Something like that. I know NFO makes a good point about what he contributes given our offensive problems but you can't just look at this and resign yourself to being mediocre on O forever. If you hand a ST's guy a big check, even the potentially best ever ST's guy of all time, you're hurting the team elsewhere. So, his agent and he need to come to that understanding and JA needs to hold to his guns or the cap will be messed up for a long time. And let's not forget, playing ST isn't exactly great for your health. We could cut him a big signing bonus and his career could end in week 1 this season. We'd need to cut players and not resign some of our own who panned out just because of the cap hit a career ending injury would cause in this case. This is yet another reason roster/incentive bonuses make sense here. Like I've said, it'll be fun to see how this one comes together. Glad it ain't me making the decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The problem is the cap. Think about the entire amount of money you have to spend as this line: ******************** Most teams spend it like this: Offense: ********* Defense ********* ST ** If you need to take a big chunk from O or D and put it into ST, you don't have the money you need to pay that rookie QB we'll sign next season, Forte if he turns into a stud, Rex or Kyle if they really pan out this year and take the next step, etc etc etc... You can't play it for just this year. You've got to look at the long term impact of what you do. So, if Hester turns into a #2 WR he gets another $4 million bonus. If he turns into a #1 WR he gets $4 million more. Something like that. I know NFO makes a good point about what he contributes given our offensive problems but you can't just look at this and resign yourself to being mediocre on O forever. If you hand a ST's guy a big check, even the potentially best ever ST's guy of all time, you're hurting the team elsewhere. So, his agent and he need to come to that understanding and JA needs to hold to his guns or the cap will be messed up for a long time. And let's not forget, playing ST isn't exactly great for your health. We could cut him a big signing bonus and his career could end in week 1 this season. We'd need to cut players and not resign some of our own who panned out just because of the cap hit a career ending injury would cause in this case. This is yet another reason roster/incentive bonuses make sense here. In all seriousness, let me ask you 2 questions: 1. If given a choice, would you rather have Bernard Berrian or Devin Hester on the Bears? 2. If Hester had hit the FA market, last spring, would he have received, "Bernard Berrian money"? My answers are Hester to 1. and hell yes to 2. What you're forgetting is that we're not paying him to be a ST's player, we're also paying him because he's the most dangerous offensive weapon we have. He's the only player who draws double coverage. We have to have a guy like that who can open up the field so we can run the ball. Is there any team in the NFL that spends less for their WR's then the Bears??? I believe the highest paid guy is Booker who's making something like 1.8 million, which is about what ST specialist Israel Idonije makes. I hope like hell by the end of the season we're debating how we're going to pay Grossman, Lloyd & Kevin Jones, because all 3 had pro-bowl seasons. Either way, Hester will get paid by someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 In all seriousness, let me ask you 2 questions: 1. If given a choice, would you rather have Bernard Berrian or Devin Hester on the Bears? 2. If Hester had hit the FA market, last spring, would he have received, "Bernard Berrian money"? My answers are Hester to 1. and hell yes to 2. I'm a fan. As a fan, I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, as a GM, JA can't afford to think that way. What you're forgetting is that we're not paying him to be a ST's player, we're also paying him because he's the most dangerous offensive weapon we have. He's the only player who draws double coverage. We have to have a guy like that who can open up the field so we can run the ball. He won't draw double coverage unless he can prove he's capable of running the correct routes and making the right adjustments. He's not proven that to me and I don't know if he's got the smarts for it. Of course, he's only got 1 year as a WR under his belt, actually less, and WR's typically take two full seasons to learn their craft. So, we should know more at the end of the year. Is there any team in the NFL that spends less for their WR's then the Bears??? I believe the highest paid guy is Booker who's making something like 1.8 million, which is about what ST specialist Israel Idonije makes. All of our guys besides Booker are working off their rookie contracts. They're cheap because they're young and haven't proven anything. Hester hasn't proven anything at WR either, IMO. When/if they do prove themselves, the Bears will pay them more. They gave a lot of coin to Moose so it isn't like they don't understand the value of the position (although we can all agree he wasn't what we paid for.) You can't spend our WR money on Hester assuming we'll always have cheap WR's. If he doesn't develop or he gets hurt, we're screwed. I hope like hell by the end of the season we're debating how we're going to pay Grossman, Lloyd & Kevin Jones, because all 3 had pro-bowl seasons. Either way, Hester will get paid by someone. Me too. But as to Hester, he ain't getting paid by "someone" not named McCaskey for at least three more seasons. That's just a fact of how the NFL draft and the franchise tag works. He has zero leverage outside of crying to the papers every day and frankly, that'd get old pretty quick and the press would stop giving him a microphone after a short while. Bears fans love the team, not one player. So, he isn't going anywhere and he and his agent realized that, it appears. His butt is in camp where it belongs. The fair thing to do is to structure a deal that makes him wealthier when/if he produces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 This makes sense. Hester showed how he is pissed and basically used a day holdout to show that, but has now reported and said hey guys, you know I'm serious about getting a new contract but I'm going to show up and play so back up your words and take care of me. Something will get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 He showed up but he hasn't played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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