Double Z thinks....

[nfoligno]

Regarding eating a roster spot, you said,

 

Probably doesn't help we're already eating one for Hester... Maybe.

 

What do you mean. Hester seems to be more than proving his value, as a WR and not just as a return man. Not sure I get your meaning.

[nfoligno]

Hey, at least I'm not ignorant about using a tool provided on the web site to make communication more clear. Although, let's be honest, your incoherent babble probably couldn't be salvaged, regardless. Perhaps a "Dumb to English" dictionary would help...

 

Get me an English to dumbarce dictionary, and I think you may better understand.

 

Yes, the site has plenty of tools, and hey, I think I am arguing w/ one yuk yuk yuk

[CrackerDog]

Regarding eating a roster spot, you said,

 

Probably doesn't help we're already eating one for Hester... Maybe.

 

What do you mean. Hester seems to be more than proving his value, as a WR and not just as a return man. Not sure I get your meaning.

 

I'm not convinced yet he has what it takes to be a WR. Maybe he will, hence why I said maybe. So, we're using a spot for basically a ST specialist. Of course he provides value! Hell, he's the MVP of this team right now. I love him. But most teams don't have the luxury of having a return specialist and then can also carry a guy who belongs on IR.

[nfoligno]

Don't see the need?

 

Wow. And see how well using quotes works. Lets see. You quoted my post. You then re-typed a couple words I said (I guess to quote me again) and then tossed in a quetion mark and eye rolling smiley face.

 

Nice contribution. Guess what. If you didn't quote me (much less twice) and tossed in that cute little eye rolling happy face, I would have still understood your post.

[CrackerDog]

Yes, the site has plenty of tools, and hey, I think I am arguing w/ one yuk yuk yuk

 

 

Speaking of tools, what's the latest on Mike North? I hope the guy never works in Chicago again. Unless he's making hotdogs.

[CrackerDog]

Wow. And see how well using quotes works. Lets see. You quoted my post. You then re-typed a couple words I said (I guess to quote me again) and then tossed in a quetion mark and eye rolling smiley face.

 

Nice contribution. Guess what. If you didn't quote me (much less twice) and tossed in that cute little eye rolling happy face, I would have still understood your post.

 

The question mark he supplied added a lot of value. Dummy.

[nfoligno]

I'm not convinced yet he has what it takes to be a WR. Maybe he will, hence why I said maybe. So, we're using a spot for basically a ST specialist. Of course he provides value! Hell, he's the MVP of this team right now. I love him. But most teams don't have the luxury of having a return specialist and then can also carry a guy who belongs on IR.

 

I get what you say, sort of. I too questioned Hester making it at WR, but thus far, he seems to be stepping up more than I expected. Has he proven jack. Nope. But hasn't he proven as much as most 4th, 5th or 6th WRs? From what I have read, he has looked better than Bennett, who gets a roster spot, not to mention Bradley.

 

So I guess my point is, I think it would be more apt to question keeping a spot for Bradley than for Hester.

[nfoligno]

Speaking of tools, what's the latest on Mike North? I hope the guy never works in Chicago again. Unless he's making hotdogs.

 

Asking the wrong person when it comes to local guys. I just do not listen to North or the others enough to know (a) who is good and who is not or ( what their current status is.

 

Now, if he is a tool, and you want to ask a tool about a tool, give a shout out to Madlith. He's your man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK Mad. Just having a little fun today.

[nfoligno]

The question mark he supplied added a lot of value. Dummy.

 

My bad. Your right. I just checked my brand new idiot to English dictionary, and the question mark as a stand alone is in fact the dumbed down version of a meaningful point.

[CrackerDog]

I get what you say, sort of. I too questioned Hester making it at WR, but thus far, he seems to be stepping up more than I expected. Has he proven jack. Nope. But hasn't he proven as much as most 4th, 5th or 6th WRs? From what I have read, he has looked better than Bennett, who gets a roster spot, not to mention Bradley.

 

So I guess my point is, I think it would be more apt to question keeping a spot for Bradley than for Hester.

 

Apples and oranges. We have to keep Hester, regardless. I'm not question it at all. I'm simply saying that we're also reserving a spot most teams don't for a specialist most don't carry. It eats up a spot. If he performs as well as our #5 WR, it doesn't. Once again, why I used the word "maybe".

 

Get it now? Jesus... Can someone else take on the role of educating Nfoligno? I'm tired.

 

(first time I've ever used a smiley face and thought it added something)

[CrackerDog]

My bad. Your right. I just checked my brand new idiot to English dictionary, and the question mark as a stand alone is in fact the dumbed down version of a meaningful point.

 

?

 

(See! Without the providing your quote above, my use of the mighty giant question mark wouldn't be soooooo damn funny!)

[nfoligno]

See! Without the providing your quote above, my use of the mighty giant question mark wouldn't be soooooo damn funny!

 

It was once explained to me that anytime you have a joker feeling the need to explain his joke, then the joke was not that funny.

[nfoligno]

Apples and oranges. We have to keep Hester, regardless. I'm not question it at all. I'm simply saying that we're also reserving a spot most teams don't for a specialist most don't carry. It eats up a spot. If he performs as well as our #5 WR, it doesn't. Once again, why I used the word "maybe".

 

Get it now? Jesus... Can someone else take on the role of educating Nfoligno? I'm tired.

 

(first time I've ever used a smiley face and thought it added something)

 

First, regarding my education, I would have to follow the philosophy of looking at the teacher for a students failures.

 

Second, If Hester did not play WR, or DB in the past, and was simply a return specialist, then I could see your point. But since he is used in the offense, then I think your post was simply a pile of Lt2 heaping bullcaca. Last year, Hester (in a more reserve role than planned for this year) had 20 catches. That would be three more than Davis, 14 more than Bradley, and some others didn't have a catch. Your post may be valid if Hester were truly nothing more than a specialist, but the reality (I know how much you hate reality) is he has been a more active player on OFFENSE than some others.

 

Ayendebajo was a true specialist, as he was not part of any defensive package I know of. There have been others as well. But Hester is not a player who only serves a role on teams. He already is a bigger player on offense than some, and that was before the staff sought to expand his role. If you want to question a roster spot for a speical teams specialist, who about AP. W/ Wolfe looking good, and KJ added, AP is more than likely going to be back to his special teams ace role. I have a feeling AP will be far more of a specialist than Hester.

 

Gotta love when the student passes the teacher. Then again, I think this student enrolled for the simple pleasure of laughing at the teacher everyday.

[BigDaddy]

100% correct.

 

By the way, all this Hanie love, at this point in time, is borderline idiotic. Get over yourselves. He's played 1/2 of football against the third string of a horrible team. It's pathetic how fans clamor for a guy like this after he's shown so little. Connor is right, give him a few more games to prove if he even belongs here before you start trashing the coach and GM who got us to a Superbowl only two seasons ago. It's ridiculous.

 

Further, just a point of order, just because ZZ says it, doesn't make it true. You girls have your panties firmly wedged up your coochies and you have no clue what the Bears will do. And you have no freaking idea if he'll get "snatched off the practice squad." He's a guy NOBODY drafted and he's got that whopping 30 minutes of NFL preseason experience. Oh yeah, I'm sure the Patriots are just chomping at the bit to get their opportunity to sign this guy to a 10 year, $100 million contract. Sheesh.

 

Nobody drafted Tony Romo either. The only thing idiotic I see is guys like you that refuse to see the skills this guy has. I don't give a freak whether every pass he thru was against a bunch of freakin girls. He made the throws downfield, accurately and on time and he also showed something else we haven't seen from the other two knotheads we have, he can freakin scramble. So YOU get over YOURSELF and open your freakin eyes. Nobody's saying start the guy but if you're so impressed with the dynamic duo, knock yourself out. Count me as one of the guys who wants Hanie on the roster.

[madlithuanian]

Even if Hester's a bust at WR...how do you not keep a roster spot for him?

 

I'm not convinced yet he has what it takes to be a WR. Maybe he will, hence why I said maybe. So, we're using a spot for basically a ST specialist. Of course he provides value! Hell, he's the MVP of this team right now. I love him. But most teams don't have the luxury of having a return specialist and then can also carry a guy who belongs on IR.

[madlithuanian]

Got it...

 

But there is no "maybe". Hester is on the roster.

 

Apples and oranges. We have to keep Hester, regardless. I'm not question it at all. I'm simply saying that we're also reserving a spot most teams don't for a specialist most don't carry. It eats up a spot. If he performs as well as our #5 WR, it doesn't. Once again, why I used the word "maybe".

 

Get it now? Jesus... Can someone else take on the role of educating Nfoligno? I'm tired.

 

(first time I've ever used a smiley face and thought it added something)

[CrackerDog]

First, regarding my education, I would have to follow the philosophy of looking at the teacher for a students failures.

 

Second, If Hester did not play WR, or DB in the past, and was simply a return specialist, then I could see your point. But since he is used in the offense, then I think your post was simply a pile of Lt2 heaping bullcaca. Last year, Hester (in a more reserve role than planned for this year) had 20 catches. That would be three more than Davis, 14 more than Bradley, and some others didn't have a catch. Your post may be valid if Hester were truly nothing more than a specialist, but the reality (I know how much you hate reality) is he has been a more active player on OFFENSE than some others.

 

Ayendebajo was a true specialist, as he was not part of any defensive package I know of. There have been others as well. But Hester is not a player who only serves a role on teams. He already is a bigger player on offense than some, and that was before the staff sought to expand his role. If you want to question a roster spot for a speical teams specialist, who about AP. W/ Wolfe looking good, and KJ added, AP is more than likely going to be back to his special teams ace role. I have a feeling AP will be far more of a specialist than Hester.

 

Gotta love when the student passes the teacher. Then again, I think this student enrolled for the simple pleasure of laughing at the teacher everyday.

 

1.) The "student" just said Ayanbadejo wasn't part of any defensive package. Obviously he was known for his role on ST but he was also a backup LB and actually had a start for the Bears. You need backup LB's on a team, no? NEXT!

 

2.) Saying Hester had 20 catches and that made him more productive than little miss priss Bradley ain't saying much. Didn't Bradley sprain her vaginal wall in the second game of the season?

 

3.) The staff sought to "expand his role" last year but the guy isn't smart enough to be a WR. So they say. Unless his extra money made him smarter, I still don't know how this will turn out. He's got all the physical gifts he needs. We'll see about the rest.

 

4.) There's a certain logic in saying any WR on this team is a waste of a roster spot given our QB cluster.

 

5.) I agree on AP. If he plays much RB for us this season, something went VERY wrong.

[CrackerDog]

Nobody drafted Tony Romo either. The only thing idiotic I see is guys like you that refuse to see the skills this guy has. I don't give a freak whether every pass he thru was against a bunch of freakin girls. He made the throws downfield, accurately and on time and he also showed something else we haven't seen from the other two knotheads we have, he can freakin scramble. So YOU get over YOURSELF and open your freakin eyes. Nobody's saying start the guy but if you're so impressed with the dynamic duo, knock yourself out. Count me as one of the guys who wants Hanie on the roster.

 

LOL! OK Chief.

 

BTW, I never said I didn't want him on the roster. I just said he hasn't proven he belongs there with this one performance against guys who'll be flipping burgers in a few weekends. But OK man, I defer to your great football knowledge and ability to spell "threw". He's the next Tony Romo!

[Mongo3451]

name='LT2_3' date='Aug 13 2008, 06:35 AM' post='43735']

I think it's a great idea. I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt Hanie (an undrafted free agent) would get picked up onto someone's 53 man roster from waivers. There are SO many other guys that will be out there and available that I doubt a UDFA from the BEARS would be the best prospect out there.

I have no problem with that scenario. My initial rant had nothing to do with Hanie, as I previously posted an example of the huge love for Orton in his 1st TC. Cont'd below...

 

Whether Angelo is trying to save face or not is kinda irrelevant. I was thinking that we were planning on going with 2 QBs on the active roster to carry 4 RBs BEFORE Williams even got hurt. I don't see the two issues being related.

This i vehimently disagree with. We have no room for error this year. Especially, Ja on down having the ability to save face at the risk of a roster spot. If there was strategic reason to keep Williams on the roster, I would listen. Him playing this year is not going to happen.

 

Now the question is where else we have to leave ourselves short. I think that we might go a little short on the Oline for backups if we can stash Barton or Balough there.

That is the sole purpose of my rant. When it comes down to us letting someone like AP or Hass go, or stocking an extra OL. There is so much you can play with th practice squad.

[nfoligno]

1.) The "student" just said Ayanbadejo wasn't part of any defensive package. Obviously he was known for his role on ST but he was also a backup LB and actually had a start for the Bears. You need backup LB's on a team, no? NEXT!

 

We usually have three or four backup LBs, and Ayen was at the bottom of that group. He may have been a backup LB, but be honest. He was a special teams specialist. Every specialist is listed at some offensive or defensive position. That doesn't mean they are expected to ever contribute there though.

 

2.) Saying Hester had 20 catches and that made him more productive than little miss priss Bradley ain't saying much. Didn't Bradley sprain her vaginal wall in the second game of the season?

 

Funny how you didn't even mention Davis, who I mentioned. He had more catches than Davis last year too, despite far fewer snaps.

 

3.) The staff sought to "expand his role" last year but the guy isn't smart enough to be a WR. So they say. Unless his extra money made him smarter, I still don't know how this will turn out. He's got all the physical gifts he needs. We'll see about the rest.

 

The staff did in fact expand his role. He was moved from defense, and learning a new system, and still provided more than some other depth at WR. If I set 20 catches at the over/under for Bennett this year, which would you take? Hester may not have done a ton last year at WR, but it was similar to a rookie year for him, at least as far as WR is concerned. So getting 20 catches out of him was in fact an expansion of his role.

 

Whether he is smart enough for the position, I have no clue. I have been suspect about this myself, but while I take everything I read this time of year w/ a grain of salt, at the same time, it does appear he has taken to the position at least a bit more than I expected. I still question his becoming a legit #1, but at the same time, I do also feel he will provide production at the WR position. I'll make you this bet. Barring injury, he will have more catches than at least two other WRs on our roster. I think you can question keeping a WR like Bradley far more than keeping a WR roster spot for Berrian.

 

4.) There's a certain logic in saying any WR on this team is a waste of a roster spot given our QB cluster.

 

Damn near could say the same about our QBs. Except Hanie, of coarse.

 

5.) I agree on AP. If he plays much RB for us this season, something went VERY wrong.

 

If that is the case though, should his roster spot not be the one we are talking about. At WR, we are not talking about keeping an "extra" spot for our special teams stud (Hester). At RB though, it would appear we are talking about keeping a 4th RB we did not carry last year, and doing so at a time when we are already losing a spot for Williams.

 

When you talk about keeping an extra roster spot for a speicial teams specialist, to me, it is AP you should be talking about. Not Hester. Hester is far more in the plans at WR than AP is at RB.

[CrackerDog]

1.) The "student" just said Ayanbadejo wasn't part of any defensive package. Obviously he was known for his role on ST but he was also a backup LB and actually had a start for the Bears. You need backup LB's on a team, no? NEXT!

 

We usually have three or four backup LBs, and Ayen was at the bottom of that group. He may have been a backup LB, but be honest. He was a special teams specialist. Every specialist is listed at some offensive or defensive position. That doesn't mean they are expected to ever contribute there though.

 

He started a game for us at LB in 2006.

 

2.) Saying Hester had 20 catches and that made him more productive than little miss priss Bradley ain't saying much. Didn't Bradley sprain her vaginal wall in the second game of the season?

 

Funny how you didn't even mention Davis, who I mentioned. He had more catches than Davis last year too, despite far fewer snaps.

 

Was it really far fewer snaps? Hell man, I'm trying to block out last year from my memories!

 

3.) The staff sought to "expand his role" last year but the guy isn't smart enough to be a WR. So they say. Unless his extra money made him smarter, I still don't know how this will turn out. He's got all the physical gifts he needs. We'll see about the rest.

 

The staff did in fact expand his role. He was moved from defense, and learning a new system, and still provided more than some other depth at WR. If I set 20 catches at the over/under for Bennett this year, which would you take? Hester may not have done a ton last year at WR, but it was similar to a rookie year for him, at least as far as WR is concerned. So getting 20 catches out of him was in fact an expansion of his role.

 

Whether he is smart enough for the position, I have no clue. I have been suspect about this myself, but while I take everything I read this time of year w/ a grain of salt, at the same time, it does appear he has taken to the position at least a bit more than I expected. I still question his becoming a legit #1, but at the same time, I do also feel he will provide production at the WR position. I'll make you this bet. Barring injury, he will have more catches than at least two other WRs on our roster. I think you can question keeping a WR like Bradley far more than keeping a WR roster spot for Berrian.

 

I'd never cut a pure WR at this point if that WR looked to have potential to be a starter. We don't have that luxury either. Hester is just a hope at this point. And I'm with everyone else in hoping he's great. But again, see the next point...

 

4.) There's a certain logic in saying any WR on this team is a waste of a roster spot given our QB cluster.

 

Damn near could say the same about our QBs. Except Hanie, of coarse.

 

Of course. The next Tony Romo.

 

5.) I agree on AP. If he plays much RB for us this season, something went VERY wrong.

 

If that is the case though, should his roster spot not be the one we are talking about. At WR, we are not talking about keeping an "extra" spot for our special teams stud (Hester). At RB though, it would appear we are talking about keeping a 4th RB we did not carry last year, and doing so at a time when we are already losing a spot for Williams.

 

When you talk about keeping an extra roster spot for a speicial teams specialist, to me, it is AP you should be talking about. Not Hester. Hester is far more in the plans at WR than AP is at RB.

 

Oh man, now you've done it. You just touched the third rail of being an internet Bears fan! You just cut down AP's status. He's the sacred cow of internet Bears fans everywhere. Except for Hanie, of course.

[Connorbear]

Nobody drafted Tony Romo either. The only thing idiotic I see is guys like you that refuse to see the skills this guy has. I don't give a freak whether every pass he thru was against a bunch of freakin girls. He made the throws downfield, accurately and on time and he also showed something else we haven't seen from the other two knotheads we have, he can freakin scramble. So YOU get over YOURSELF and open your freakin eyes. Nobody's saying start the guy but if you're so impressed with the dynamic duo, knock yourself out. Count me as one of the guys who wants Hanie on the roster.

I think everyone would be thrilled in Hanie works out. I think we simply need to see more from him before we say he is going to be an NFL quality player.

 

Peace

[LT2_3]

Ferris here...

 

Without being snide myself...my understanding is he's on the PS, then any team can pluck him away. I don't want him plucked. If/when Grossman gets injured, we'd then have to go shopping in the FA market to get a guy.

 

I'd think differently about Hanie if we had a legit 3rd option. We don't he's it. Here's what what know... He looked good when he played agasint 3rd stringers. He at least didn't look bad. Let's not put ourselves behind the 8 ball and hope that no ohter club takes him.

 

If we even had 2 decent QB's as our guys, I may feel different. But odds are we will need the 3rd. History dictates so. Why not our guy in camp now who's looked good when asked to regardless of what competition he's facing? Let's see how the next 3 games pan out...things can change. But right now, we should make Hanie our #3 on our roster.

 

Your understanding is incorrect.

 

When a player is on the practice squad, they are not protected by the team that they are on in any way as long as another team is offering a contract and a chance to be on their 53 man roster. Another team could approach Hanie and ask him if he'd like to join their 53 man roster and make him a contract offer, but he could choose to decline. He could also tell the Bears in advance that if he gets an offer, he'd stay if they match too.

 

The bottom line is that Hanie's opinion on the sitch would be the guiding factor.

[balta1701-A]

I'd just like to add that I hate the 53 man roster limit in the NFL.

[nfoligno]

He started a game for us at LB in 2006.

 

Wow. You are right. If a guy started one game in however man years, he must not be a specialist. Obviously, how could I have thought different. Sorry, but your killing your own argument. You know Ayenbedajo was a special teams specialist. He was no more a LB than Hester has been a WR. In fact, I would argue Hester has been more of a WR than Ayen a LB. You talk about one prior year start, but how many snaps do you think Ayen actually saw on defense. Now how many snaps do you think Hester lined up for on offense? Wanna bet Hester saw more?

 

I'd never cut a pure WR at this point if that WR looked to have potential to be a starter. We don't have that luxury either. Hester is just a hope at this point. And I'm with everyone else in hoping he's great. But again, see the next point...

 

Is Hester really any more of a "hope" than say Bennett? Or Bradley?

 

You can try to spin this 20 ways from Sunday, but the truth is, while Hester w/o question gained his reputation as a special teams player, he can not be called a specialist at this point. He played more offense last year than numerous others on the depth chart, and he is being worked into the offense even more this year.

 

I can't say whether he will ever make it as a WR, but the same can be said about 1/2 the roster. IMHO, a specialist, regardless what "other" position he is listed at, is one who simply is not even part of the plans on offense or defense. A player who is the 6th LB, and part of no defensive package, but plays special teams, is far more of a specialist, IMHO.

 

Oh man, now you've done it. You just touched the third rail of being an internet Bears fan! You just cut down AP's status. He's the sacred cow of internet Bears fans everywhere. Except for Hanie, of course.

 

I know. I know. I have been blasted before for such comments. I like AP, but I simply am not sure where I see his contribution this year, except on teams. What role does AP serve as a RB? What does he bring to the table one of the others do not? I like AP, and would hate to see him go, but when talking about having a special teams specialist, that is AP. He is a luxury which the staff may have to question whether or not we can afford w/ Williams roster spot being saved.