Okwo and Baziun cut

[GrizzlyBear]

here it is

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-cut-okwo.html

[balta1701-A]

Mercy those were some disastrous draft picks.

[Da Bears 88]

I'll be shocked if Bradley gets cut.

 

Then again, who knows with this team.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

I'll be shocked if Bradley gets cut.

 

Then again, who knows with this team.

Wow- we agree.

 

We'd all love to think he can be a productive player, but his inconsistent hands and his inability to stay healthy leads me to believe he'll have a spot on this team, but if we get deeper this offseason at the WR position, he'll be out. He is just a liability. If the season gets out of hand, I hope he can stay healthy and prove us all wrong that he can be a good player in the league.

[AZ54]

The Bazuin pick just totally upsets me because we wasted that when we could have had Oline help. Same goes for Okwo.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

The Bazuin pick just totally upsets me because we wasted that when we could have had Oline help. Same goes for Okwo.

I know that maybe if one of those guys would have came to the Bears it could have been a different story, but if you look at the guys picked after Bazuin, nobody stands out as a current good player.

 

Bazuin will get picked up soon, and the same goes for Okwo.

Bazuin has the potential, however, Okwo is too small, IMO.

[ParkerBear7]

Here are a few options in BOLD the Bears should have considered in the 2007 instead of Baziun & Okwo!

 

 

33. Arizona (from Oakland) Alan Branch, DT Michigan

34. Buffalo (from Detroit) - Paul Posluszny, LB Penn State

35. Tampa Bay - Arron Sears, OT/OG Tennessee

36. Philadelphia (from Cleveland thru Dallas) - Kevin Kolb, QB Houston

37. San Diego (from Washington thru NY Jets and Chicago) - Eric Weddle, S Utah

38. Oakland (from Arizona) - Zach Miller, TE Arizona State

39. Atlanta (from Houston) - Justin Blalock, OG Texas

40. Miami - John Beck, QB BYU

41. Atlanta (from Minnesota) - Chris Houston, CB Arkansas

42. Indianapolis (from San Francisco)-Tony Ugoh, OT/OG Arkansas This should have been our 2nd rd pick at #37!

43. Detroit (from Buffalo) - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State

44. Minnesota (from Atlanta) - Sidney Rice, WR South Carolina

45. Carolina - Dwayne Jarrett, WR USC

46. Pittsburgh - LeMarr Woodley, DE Michigan

47. New York Jets (from Green Bay) - David Harris, LB Michigan

48. Jacksonville - Justin Durant, LB Hampton

49. Cincinnati - Kenny Irons, RB Auburn

50. Tennessee - Chris Henry, RB Arizona

51. New York Giants - Steve Smith, WR USC

52. St. Louis - Brian Leonard, RB Rutgers

53. Cleveland (from Dallas) - Eric Wright, CB UNLV

54. Kansas City - Claude "Turk" McBride, DE/DT Tennessee

55. Seattle - Josh Wilson, CB Maryland

56. Denver - Tim Crowder, DE Texas

57. Philadelphia - Victor Abiamiri, DE Notre Dame

58. Detroit (from New Orleans) - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii

59. Carolina (from New York Jets) - Ryan Kalil, C USC

60. Miami (from New England) - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

61. Detroit (from Baltimore) - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State

62. Chicago (from San Diego) - Dan Bazuin, DE Central Michigan

63. Green Bay (from Chicago thru NY Jets) - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

64. Tampa Bay (from Indianapolis) - Sabby Piscitelli, SS/LB Oregon State

 

Third Round

65. Oakland - Quentin Moses, DE Georgia -- would have been a better option than Bazuin

66. New Orleans (from Detroit) - Usama Young, CB Kent State

67. Dallas (from Cleveland) - James Marten, OT Boston College

68. Tampa Bay - Quincy Black, LB New Mexico

69. Arizona - Buster Davis, LB Florida State

70. Denver (from Washington) - Ryan Harris, OT Notre Dame

71. Miami - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

72. Minnesota - Marcus McCauley, CB Fresno State

73. Houston - Jacoby Jones, WR Lane

74. Baltimore (from Buffalo thru Detroit) - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State

75. Atlanta - Laurent Robinson, WR Illinois State

76. San Francisco - Jason Hill, WR Washingtin State

77. Pittsburgh - Matt Spaeth, TE Minnesota

78. Green Bay - James Jones, WR San Jose State

79. Jacksonville - Mike Walker, WR Central Florida

 

80. Tennessee - Paul Williams, WR Fresno State

81. New York Giants - Jay Alford, DT Penn State

82. Kansas City (from St. Louis) - DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, DT North Carolina State

83. Carolina - Charles Johnson, DE Georgia

84. St. Louis (from Kansas City) - Jonathan Wade, CB Tennessee

85. Seattle - Brandon Mebane, DT California

86. Baltimore (from Denver thru Jacksonville) - Marshal Yanda, OT/OG Iowa

87. Philadelphia (from Dallas) - Stewart Bradley, LB Nebraska

88. New Orleans - Andy Alleman, OG Akron

89. Green Bay (from New York Jets) - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

90. Philadelphia - Tony Hunt, RB Penn State

91. Oakland (from New England) - Mario Henderson, OT Florida State

92. Buffalo (from Baltimore) - Trent Edwards, QB Stanford

93. Chicago (from San Diego) - Garrett Wolf, RB Northern Illinois

94. Chicago - Michael Okwo, LB Stanford

95. Indianapolis - Daymeion Hughes, CB California

96. San Diego (compensatory) - Anthony Waters, LB Clemson

97. San Francisco (compensatory) - Ray McDonald, DE/DT Florida

98. Indianapolis (compensatory) - Quinn Pitcock, DT Ohio State

99. Oakland (compensatory) - Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR UTEP

 

Fourth Round

100. Oakland - Michael Bush, RB Louisville

101. Jacksonville (from Detroit thru Baltimore) - Adam Podlesh P Maryland

102. Minnesota (from Tampa Bay) - Brian Robison, DE Texas

103. Dallas (from Cleveland) - Isaiah Stanback, QB Washington

104. San Francisco (from Washington) - Jay Moore, DE Nebraska

105. Detroit (from Arizona thru Oakland) - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State

106. Tampa Bay (from Minnesota) - Tanard Jackson, CB Syracuse

107. New Orleans (from Houston) - Antonio Pittman, RB Ohio State

108. Miami - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

109. Atlanta - Stephen Nicholas, LB South Florida

110. Oakland (from San Francisco thru New England) - John Bowie, CB Cincinnati

111. Buffalo - Dwayne Wright, RB Fresno State

112. Pittsburgh (from Green Bay) - Daniel Sepulveda, P Baylor

113. Jacksonville - Brian Smith, DE Missouri

114. Cincinnati - Marvin White, S Texas Christian

115. Tennessee - Leroy Harris, C North Carolina State

116. New York Giants - Zak DeOssie, LB Brown

117. Detroit (from St. Louis) - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech

118. Carolina - Ryne Robinson, WR Miami (OH)

119. Green Bay (from Pittsburgh) - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

120. Seattle - Baraka Atkins, DT Miami (FL)

121. Denver (from Denver thru Atlanta and Minnesota) - Marcus Thomas, DT Florida

122. Dallas - Doug Free, OT Northern Illinois

123. Houston (from Kansas City thru New Orleans) - Fred Bennett, CB South Carolina

124. Seattle (from NY Jets thru San Francisco)

[Guest TerraTor]

pretty good 2nd and 3rd round picks there

[ParkerBear7]

pretty good 2nd and 3rd round picks there

 

 

What makes me more frustrated is that Tony Ugoh was projected in the combine as an athletic starting LT prospect and while the team new they had an aging OL the Bears got cute and traded down for a guy that they just cut!

 

Ugoh could be starting at LT this season after replacing Miller last season at RT. Then they copuld have added Braden Albert this year instead of Williams and plugged him in at LG but what do I know I am no draft guru!

[Wesson44]

Well here's one for you.......we will see how well Tony Ugoh does this week when we play the Colts. He's their starting tackle.

[nfoligno]

What makes me more frustrated is that Tony Ugoh was projected in the combine as an athletic starting LT prospect and while the team new they had an aging OL the Bears got cute and traded down for a guy that they just cut!

 

Not just Ugoh. I was screaming for Blalock too. Blalock, Ugoh, and one other (can't recall now who) were who I was really wanting to see. Blalock by the way became a starter at LG. Not a position we need or anything. And whats up w/ Ugoh. You think we need a LT?

 

Ugoh could be starting at LT this season after replacing Miller last season at RT. Then they copuld have added Braden Albert this year instead of Williams and plugged him in at LG but what do I know I am no draft guru!

 

Albert is who I wanted this year too. As I saw it, Albert had HUGE upside at LT. I also felt his floor was upper tier OG. Both are positions we need, so he seemed like a win/win situation. Williams I feared was LT or bust, and felt he was too finese for a run first team. Think Blake Brockemeyer. That's not a bad thing, but no close to what I felt Albert could be.

[Wesson44]

It funny you guys are in love with both Braden Albert and Chris Williams and aren't they both like HURT and not playing right now!!!

[nfoligno]

It funny you guys are in love with both Braden Albert and Chris Williams and aren't they both like HURT and not playing right now!!!

 

Sorry, but do you really not see the difference? Williams suffered a major injury related to a previous problem, known at draft time.

 

Albert, to my understanding, has a minor injury that is not thought to be very serious.

[selection7]

On the flipside, JA finally got a 1st round pick really right but missed on the 2nd and 3rd rounders (one of 'em). Is that preferrable to the opposite situation, which was Jerry Angelo's old M.O.?

[Wesson44]

It funny you guys are in love with both Braden Albert and Chris Williams and aren't they both like HURT and not playing right now!!!

 

Sorry, but do you really not see the difference? Williams suffered a major injury related to a previous problem, known at draft time.

 

Albert, to my understanding, has a minor injury that is not thought to be very serious.

 

yes i see the point but hurt and not playing are still the same for both players. So did Albert tell the Chiefs he had bad ankles?

[selection7]

Some of you already knew this but there's a suntimes article pointing out that Bazuin was hurt during rookie camp last year and has had injury issues ever since, according to Bazuin himself. JA can't be held responsible for that stuff, which happens to every GM's draft picks once in a while...Chris Williams is of course possible another thing all together.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear30.article

[BearSox]

I fail to see why we would keep Toenia instead of Bazuin...

[BearSox]

Also, Ugoh is overrated. If he played for the Bears, he'd likely not be that good... however, he was put in the completely perfect situation with the Colts. The Colts could make any bad-mediocre OLineman and turn them into all-pros.

 

And I don't blame us for the trade down, we got a ton of value for that pick. It was poor execution with the picks though... even though I think we should have kept Bazuin.

[Wesson44]

I fail to see why we would keep Toenia instead of Bazuin...

 

That is a no brainer. Toenia can rush the passer from the middle, he is a bid body against the run and oh might I add this...he has not been hurt since he has been with the Bears and came at a much cheaper price too. Now Bazuin came to the team hurt and has been for the last two years and you say you fail to see why we would keep Toenia? I we didn't keep him I would have kept Baldwin instead of Bazuin.

[lemonej]

I agree about Toeina and I am a little surprised they kept him with Harrison and Idonije in the mix inside. As for Bazuin when was he going to play? Ogunleye,A.Brown,Anderson and Idonije will get most of the PT at end so that points to depth in the middle being more important where the Bears rotate players a lot.With Harris and Dusty coming back from injury you need another body inside.

[nfoligno]

Sorry, but I disagree. Look at our roster. We are loaded at DE. Last year and this year, there was simply no reason to draft another DE. Even if he did get healthy, and showed a glimmer here and there, when would we play him? Despite all the talk about a rotation, we generally do not use more than 3 in that rotation.

 

If we were talking about an OL Angelo drafted that just couldn't stay healthy (and no signs of injury potential in college), then it would be harder to blame him. But he drafted a player that simply didn't come close to filling a need. He ignored big needs to draft a 4th DE. DAY ONE! Yes, I can blame Angelo. This was as bad of a pick then as it is now.

 

Some of you already knew this but there's a suntimes article pointing out that Bazuin was hurt during rookie camp last year and has had injury issues ever since, according to Bazuin himself. JA can't be held responsible for that stuff, which happens to every GM's draft picks once in a while...Chris Williams is of course possible another thing all together.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear30.article

[Pixote]

Sorry, but I disagree. Look at our roster. We are loaded at DE. Last year and this year, there was simply no reason to draft another DE. Even if he did get healthy, and showed a glimmer here and there, when would we play him? Despite all the talk about a rotation, we generally do not use more than 3 in that rotation.

 

If we were talking about an OL Angelo drafted that just couldn't stay healthy (and no signs of injury potential in college), then it would be harder to blame him. But he drafted a player that simply didn't come close to filling a need. He ignored big needs to draft a 4th DE. DAY ONE! Yes, I can blame Angelo. This was as bad of a pick then as it is now.

 

I think it was a matter of Angelo feeling he had to draft a player because of need instead of the best player available which is what he usually tries to do.

 

I heard on the Score a discussion about the drafting of Okwo & Bazuin. Going into that draft JA thought he would be losing A Brown & L Briggs. He felt he needed to draft do to "projected needs" at those positions. Now we see what can happen when you draft for need over BPA. You can come up empty a lot as did the Bears.

[nfoligno]

I think it was a matter of Angelo feeling he had to draft a player because of need instead of the best player available which is what he usually tries to do.

 

I heard on the Score a discussion about the drafting of Okwo & Bazuin. Going into that draft JA thought he would be losing A Brown & L Briggs. He felt he needed to draft do to "projected needs" at those positions. Now we see what can happen when you draft for need over BPA. You can come up empty a lot as did the Bears.

 

I understand what you are saying, but here is the problem i have w/ that. We have "actual" needs, and what you are talking about is "potential" needs. Further, they were "potential" needs based on players who were not FAs, and were under our control. They may have been griping, but they were none-the-less under our control.

 

This year, at the time of the draft, Urlacher was a very unhappy guy, or so he told the media. Situation was similar to our past w/ Briggs. Urlacher may not have been as harsh in his words, but retirement talk was enough to put it on the same level for me. Anyway, the point is, would Urlacher's talk have made LB a 1st day need this year?

 

I don't think so. For me, what it still comes back to is (a) Angelo simply prefers defense and ( Angelo sees more potential in defensive players than offense. I think the 2nd point is partially at least because he isn't a good offensive evaluator, thus defensive players will often look better than offensive in his eyes. We should have been going offense w/ those picks, but didn't.

[selection7]

If we were talking about an OL Angelo drafted that just couldn't stay healthy (and no signs of injury potential in college), then it would be harder to blame him. But he drafted a player that simply didn't come close to filling a need. He ignored big needs to draft a 4th DE. DAY ONE! Yes, I can blame Angelo. This was as bad of a pick then as it is now.

So even if Bazuin had turned out well, you have a problem with his draft pick as a matter of principle because it nevertheless had a low percentage of success (due to us being stacked at DE). OK. I can somewhat accept that. I think need and best player available is a balancing act. Just remember that even if A.Brown had been sure to stick around, at this time last year he was coming off a poor season.

[Bears4Ever_34]

What a waste of two draft picks.... But I'm not surprised they were cut.