Bears Trade for Tampa Guard

[vegas1211]

Per Brad Biggs:

 

Bears have traded Bucs Guard Dan Buenning. No details at this time.

[CubbiesFan07]

So we can trade for a backup guard but can't figure out that signing Willie/Ruben is a better option.

[vegas1211]

The way I figure it, is the guy can't be any worse then Metcalf. That being said, I am still holding out hope that we make a play for Anderson or maybe even trade for Starks from Pitt.

[azbearsfan]

So we can trade for a backup guard but can't figure out that signing Willie/Ruben is a better option.

 

 

How do you know its a better option?

[DrunkBomber]

Its at least reassuring to know they are trying to get some new bodies in here. Its better than them standing pat. We know theyve at least contacted Anderson too, so at least they acknowledge theres a problem.

[azbearsfan]

Its at least reassuring to know they are trying to get some new bodies in here. Its better than them standing pat. We know theyve at least contacted Anderson too, so at least they acknowledge theres a problem.

 

 

And this Tampa guy is just the type we should be aquiring. A young guy with starting experience. It seems like he has a story similar to Columbo. Hopefully he works out.

[KiLoc69]

And this Tampa guy is just the type we should be aquiring. A young guy with starting experience. It seems like he has a story similar to Columbo. Hopefully he works out.

 

 

I remember many people on this board wanting to draft him.

[GakMan23]

BUCS SEND BUENNING TO BEARS

Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2008, 4:47 p.m.

On the same day that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers brought back center/guard Sean Mahan via a trade with the Steelers, the Bucs sent guard Dan Buenning to the Chicago Bears.

 

Buenning was a fourth-round draft pick of the Bucs in 2005, and he is signed through 2009. His salaries are $800,000 this year and $545,000 in 2009.

 

In return, the Bucs received an undisclosed 2009 draft pick.

[Da Bears 88]

Zackary Bowman was waived to make room for him.

[bradjock]

Zackary Bowman was waived to make room for him.

 

I heard that on the SCORE. That's disappointing as hell IMO. The guy was big & fast and touted as a 1st round talent who dropped because of injuries.

 

They said we hope to add him on the practice squad but I'm sure other teams will be interested. The way we go through secondary players, I'm sure we'll need him.

 

I'm glad that Angelo repeatedly traded down on draft day to add picks . . . so all of the extra players could be cut. When he was adding players at the time my thought was, "With all the veterans we have signed, we don't need this many guys." That pisses me off.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

The Chicago Bears acquired offensive guard Dan Buenning from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tuesday in exchange for an undisclosed 2009 draft pick.

 

Buenning was originally selected by the Buccaneers in the fourth round of the 2005 NFL Draft and has appeared in 25 regular season contests with 23 starts during his NFL career.

 

The Wisconsin product started all 16 contests in 2005 at left guard and helped pave way for Carnell Williams to rush for 1,178 yards in his rookie season. In 2006, Buenning started seven of nine contests he appeared in before being placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. Last season, Buenning was declared inactive for all 16 regular season contests and one playoff game.

 

 

Looks like a good pick up to me. Started LG for Tampa but had trouble with injuries. If he can rebound, we may have a future LG for many years.

[DrunkBomber]

The more I read, the more I am a fan.

[madlithuanian]

Yeah...I didn't get the need to stockpile late round picks...

 

 

 

I heard that on the SCORE. That's disappointing as hell IMO. The guy was big & fast and touted as a 1st round talent who dropped because of injuries.

 

They said we hope to add him on the practice squad but I'm sure other teams will be interested. The way we go through secondary players, I'm sure we'll need him.

 

I'm glad that Angelo repeatedly traded down on draft day to add picks . . . so all of the extra players could be cut. When he was adding players at the time my thought was, "With all the veterans we have signed, we don't need this many guys." That pisses me off.

[Connorbear]

I heard that on the SCORE. That's disappointing as hell IMO. The guy was big & fast and touted as a 1st round talent who dropped because of injuries.

 

They said we hope to add him on the practice squad but I'm sure other teams will be interested. The way we go through secondary players, I'm sure we'll need him.

 

I'm glad that Angelo repeatedly traded down on draft day to add picks . . . so all of the extra players could be cut. When he was adding players at the time my thought was, "With all the veterans we have signed, we don't need this many guys." That pisses me off.

Relax. He will most likely be back on the practice squad. If not, they will probably sign Trey Brown (UCLA) to the practice squad.

 

Peace

[Zod]

I like the pick up; it sort of reminds me of when JA picked up St. Clair late. This could really help the o-line because since his days at Wisco Buenning was always solid in run blocking. And he isn't a shorty like Beekman.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I heard that on the SCORE. That's disappointing as hell IMO. The guy was big & fast and touted as a 1st round talent who dropped because of injuries.

 

They said we hope to add him on the practice squad but I'm sure other teams will be interested. The way we go through secondary players, I'm sure we'll need him.

 

I'm glad that Angelo repeatedly traded down on draft day to add picks . . . so all of the extra players could be cut. When he was adding players at the time my thought was, "With all the veterans we have signed, we don't need this many guys." That pisses me off.

 

 

I'm sort of disappointed in the Bears. First off, they draft Zach Bowman, who was a very a high risk/high reward type of player, in a position that we were fairly deep at. I was all excited about him developing into what we envisioned to become. To end up wasting that draft pick is why i'm disappointed. We could of grabbed G Roy Schuening who was taken at pick 157 by Stl (15 picks after Bowman) or even Carl Nicks OT who was taken at pick 164. If we end up with Bowman after he clears waivers, I'll be alright, but I don't see Bowman wanting to stay with us. He'll have a better chance elsewhere since he won't have to be behind Tillman, Vasher, McBride, Manning, and Graham. Plus he has sleeper written all over him, ask the Patriots who were setting there sights on him.

 

My position on Jerry Angelo has just ticked one notch lower. I am a huge JA fan, I like what this new Guard can bring, I like his cap management. I also know this team is getting to the point were we can't keep everyone we like. I would of rather we cut Metcalf who is personally a jackazz in public and hasn't done one positive thing on the football field in 6 years. Hopefully all ends up as planned, we get a LG with starting experience and sign Bowman to the PS.

[bradjock]

I'm sort of disappointed in the Bears. First off, they draft Zach Bowman, who was a very a high risk/high reward type of player, in a position that we were fairly deep at. I was all excited about him developing into what we envisioned to become. To end up wasting that draft pick is why i'm disappointed. We could of grabbed G Roy Schuening who was taken at pick 157 by Stl (15 picks after Bowman) or even Carl Nicks OT who was taken at pick 164. If we end up with Bowman after he clears waivers, I'll be alright, but I don't see Bowman wanting to stay with us. He'll have a better chance elsewhere since he won't have to be behind Tillman, Vasher, McBride, Manning, and Graham. Plus he has sleeper written all over him, ask the Patriots who were setting there sights on him.

 

Agreed all around. From what I saw in Bourbannais, Bowman looked big, strong, & fast, yet kind of lost. But he's a rookie. I thought he'd make one helluva a FS (of course I thought that about D-Manning also.) Either way, I think he'll get picked up fairly quickly if we don't re-activate him soon.

 

I like what this new Guard can bring, I like his cap management.

 

I'd have been much happier if we'd brought him in 2 months ago. Terrance Metcalf's a former 3rd round pick, he's supposed to be a "road-grater," he's still fairly young, started a bunch of games, and struggled with injuries. He'd look damn good on paper to another team. How's this new guy any different?

 

I would of rather we cut Metcalf who is personally a jackazz in public and hasn't done one positive thing on the football field in 6 years.

 

What's he done in public that was bad?

 

Hopefully all ends up as planned, we get a LG with starting experience and sign Bowman to the PS.

 

Agreed.

[AZ54]

I heard that on the SCORE. That's disappointing as hell IMO. The guy was big & fast and touted as a 1st round talent who dropped because of injuries.

 

They said we hope to add him on the practice squad but I'm sure other teams will be interested. The way we go through secondary players, I'm sure we'll need him.

 

I'm glad that Angelo repeatedly traded down on draft day to add picks . . . so all of the extra players could be cut. When he was adding players at the time my thought was, "With all the veterans we have signed, we don't need this many guys." That pisses me off.

 

 

If the odds of a Rd5-7 pick making a team are less than 20% then it makes more sense to get as many of those guys as possible into training camp. That's purely a statistical viewpoint, of course you must consider the quality of the players is dropping the further back you drop in the draft. The point is if you have many prospects evaluated fairly evenly and the opportunity arrives to drop back a bit and pick up two of them (versus one) then you increase the likelihood of adding a good player to the roster.

[selection7]

If the odds of a Rd5-7 pick making a team are less than 20% then it makes more sense to get as many of those guys as possible into training camp.

You beat me to it. Drafting is such a crapshoot. As the above suggests, it's possibly better to have twice as many guys all drafted a round and a half lower, for example. Then you can cut the worst guys rather than being forced to hang on to them because you just drafted them (in other words, cutting a bunch of guys is part of the plan, not a sign of failure). It's kind of similar to strategies emplyed in some board games or betting games. A 25% success rate on 14 guys is better than a 45% success rate on 7 guys. Of course there's no way to prove which strategy works better with the NFL draft. I also understand there are other factors such as the hypothetical possibility that you won't evaluate any of your camp players correctly anyway, in which case it would be better to just go with only 7 guys drafted higher...but you get my point.

[Soxbadger]

Buenning is a solid guard who should be able to play right away provided he is healthy. He comes from the Wisconsin system that places a premium on the offensive line. Should become one of the better run blockers on our team right away (once again provided there are no health concerns.)

[Connorbear]

As long as this means Fred 'Turnstile' Miller is not coming back I am happy.

 

Peace

[azbearsfan]

As long as this means Fred 'Turnstile' Miller is not coming back I am happy.

 

Peace

 

 

Aint that the truth

[Mongo3451]

You beat me to it. Drafting is such a crapshoot. As the above suggests, it's possibly better to have twice as many guys all drafted a round and a half lower, for example. Then you can cut the worst guys rather than being forced to hang on to them because you just drafted them (in other words, cutting a bunch of guys is part of the plan, not a sign of failure). It's kind of similar to strategies emplyed in some board games or betting games. A 25% success rate on 14 guys is better than a 45% success rate on 7 guys. Of course there's no way to prove which strategy works better with the NFL draft. I also understand there are other factors such as the hypothetical possibility that you won't evaluate any of your camp players correctly anyway, in which case it would be better to just go with only 7 guys drafted higher...but you get my point.

Nice summary. It's my thought that Bowman is a keeper. With his size and speed, he may have been a FS in the making. Hopefully, he clears and we snag him for the practice squad. It will be irritating to me if we lose this guy, while JA holds a roster spot hostage for Williams, out of wounded pride.

[jason]

You beat me to it. Drafting is such a crapshoot. As the above suggests, it's possibly better to have twice as many guys all drafted a round and a half lower, for example. Then you can cut the worst guys rather than being forced to hang on to them because you just drafted them (in other words, cutting a bunch of guys is part of the plan, not a sign of failure). It's kind of similar to strategies emplyed in some board games or betting games. A 25% success rate on 14 guys is better than a 45% success rate on 7 guys. Of course there's no way to prove which strategy works better with the NFL draft. I also understand there are other factors such as the hypothetical possibility that you won't evaluate any of your camp players correctly anyway, in which case it would be better to just go with only 7 guys drafted higher...but you get my point.

 

I can't say I know the percentages of each round, but wouldn't you rather put your money on a few 50/50 bets, versus a whole bunch of low percentage risks?

 

It's like craps. You have a much better chance in the long run to keep betting on the line or against the line, because it's a 50/50 bet. The proposition bets, high risk-high reward, are for the suckers. Sure, you hit every once in a while, and you look like a genius, but you end up losing all your money in the long run. The casinos put those bets in because they influence people to take larger risks with the possibility of having the big win.

 

To put it another way, would you rather put your money in high-risk stocks, or low-risk mutual funds? The smart money says that you invest smartly and for the long run.

 

But, then again, what do I know? There's noooo way that anyone could possibly do a better job at selecting talent than people like JA who do it professionally!

[azbearsfan]

I can't say I know the percentages of each round, but wouldn't you rather put your money on a few 50/50 bets, versus a whole bunch of low percentage risks?

 

It's like craps. You have a much better chance in the long run to keep betting on the line or against the line, because it's a 50/50 bet. The proposition bets, high risk-high reward, are for the suckers. Sure, you hit every once in a while, and you look like a genius, but you end up losing all your money in the long run. The casinos put those bets in because they influence people to take larger risks with the possibility of having the big win.

 

To put it another way, would you rather put your money in high-risk stocks, or low-risk mutual funds? The smart money says that you invest smartly and for the long run.

 

But, then again, what do I know? There's noooo way that anyone could possibly do a better job at selecting talent than people like JA who do it professionally!

 

 

At least you admit it now.