madlithuanian Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Would he be something to look into? Granted, his crimes were bad. But, he did serve his time...and we tend to be a forgiving nation. Would Vick be of interest to us? Back-up Kyle? Not sure how I feel, but on some level, I have interest. I hated what the guy did, but if he served his time, etc... I know leopards tend not to change their spots, but jail time is one thing that can sometimes make a difference for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I saw the Sun Times piece, and quickly dismissed it after realizing who wrote it. IMHO, she has tried to fill the shock jock role others like Bayless and Mariotti played in Chicago for years. In fact, I think she is worse. I would be sick if we signed Vick. Honesty, and I do not say this lightly, I would truly consider boycotting all things bears if we signed him. Would he be something to look into? Granted, his crimes were bad. But, he did serve his time...and we tend to be a forgiving nation. Would Vick be of interest to us? Back-up Kyle? Not sure how I feel, but on some level, I have interest. I hated what the guy did, but if he served his time, etc... I know leopards tend not to change their spots, but jail time is one thing that can sometimes make a difference for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I hear you on both counts... I personally really don't want him... I don't like players with baggage, let alone his kind of baggage. But I did think the question to be intruiging. Even from her... She is normally just a troll, but even Mariotti once in a while would bring something up that would be interesting. ...usually that I disagreed with, but interesting enough for some discussion. I saw the Sun Times piece, and quickly dismissed it after realizing who wrote it. IMHO, she has tried to fill the shock jock role others like Bayless and Mariotti played in Chicago for years. In fact, I think she is worse. I would be sick if we signed Vick. Honesty, and I do not say this lightly, I would truly consider boycotting all things bears if we signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Couldn't care less what he done the fact remains he's a crap QB. Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Couldn't care less what he done the fact remains he's a crap QB. Pass Sorry, I should have clarified. While his crimes are a very large part of why I could never be on board w/ signing him, the reality is, my opinion is likely as strong as it is, at least in part, due to the fact that I never thought much of him as a QB. But to be honest, he would have to be Payton Manning ability for me to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I hear you on both counts... I personally really don't want him... I don't like players with baggage, let alone his kind of baggage. But I did think the question to be intruiging. Even from her... She is normally just a troll, but even Mariotti once in a while would bring something up that would be interesting. ...usually that I disagreed with, but interesting enough for some discussion. I have no issue w/ the discussion. Hell, any distraction from the playoffs which we are not part of is a good distraction. Regarding the Sun Times chick, I simply feel she is worthless. She is throwing something out there most every city w/o a QB is throwing out there. Fine. Not exactly what I call original, but whatever. I have no problem w/ a bit of controversial discussion, but that is all I really think she is doing. She could care less about the Bears. She could care less about what would actually be good for the Bears. All she cares about is increasing readership, and as she has no actual quality of substance to offer, she simply goes w/ controversey. IMHO, she makes Mariotti and Bayless look like genius experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 No agrument here! I have no issue w/ the discussion. Hell, any distraction from the playoffs which we are not part of is a good distraction. Regarding the Sun Times chick, I simply feel she is worthless. She is throwing something out there most every city w/o a QB is throwing out there. Fine. Not exactly what I call original, but whatever. I have no problem w/ a bit of controversial discussion, but that is all I really think she is doing. She could care less about the Bears. She could care less about what would actually be good for the Bears. All she cares about is increasing readership, and as she has no actual quality of substance to offer, she simply goes w/ controversey. IMHO, she makes Mariotti and Bayless look like genius experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I saw the Sun Times piece, and quickly dismissed it after realizing who wrote it. IMHO, she has tried to fill the shock jock role others like Bayless and Mariotti played in Chicago for years. In fact, I think she is worse. I would be sick if we signed Vick. Honesty, and I do not say this lightly, I would truly consider boycotting all things bears if we signed him. Wow. You guys and your pets. Supercedes everything else. For me, I'm a Bears fan and am down with almost anything that makes us better. Vick would immediately be amongst the top 1-2 athletes on the team. Now, I'm not saying I would agree with him being our solution at QB. But, if he served his time and can be had for the cheap, why not? This is the NFL. We're not looking for saints or alter boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 2 words: f*** no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Wow. You guys and your pets. Supercedes everything else. For me, I'm a Bears fan and am down with almost anything that makes us better. Vick would immediately be amongst the top 1-2 athletes on the team. Now, I'm not saying I would agree with him being our solution at QB. But, if he served his time and can be had for the cheap, why not? This is the NFL. We're not looking for saints or alter boys. Neither am I but a QB who can actually play QB would be nice, not an athlete that can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Neither am I but a QB who can actually play QB would be nice, not an athlete that can't Agreed!! But, even if he has been throwing balls to other inmates in Levenworth (sp) for two years, he still would be better than any other QB on our roster. I think that's an indictment on our roster. Again, I'm not saying he's the answer. There's a good chance that he's not. But, he probably has more skills than almost anyone else on our team and is definitely a playmaker. Can he play QB, WR, KR, PR? I don't know. But, to be opposed to him helping our team because of some dogs is, IMHO, irrational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Neither am I but a QB who can actually play QB would be nice, not an athlete that can't He can run, but he can't pass. And yea, I'm a dong owner and lover, and I definitely will not be inviting Vick over to the house when he gets out. Serving time when you are caught doing something does not mean you have changed your mind about what got you in trouble in the first place. No to Vick, not that I think there is any real substance behind this gibberish. Just some journalist wanting to get a story in the paper, IMdO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I hated Vick more than anyone around here after what he did but I'm a big believer in 2nd chances and I'd be an advocate of Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Couldn't care less what he done the fact remains he's a crap QB. Pass Bingo! Remember when everybody was saying how shitty Atlanta's receivers were a year ago? Turns out that it was Vick who sucked because Roddy White had a career year and was a top 5 WR in the NFL while Michael Jenkins stepped up big time as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 IMHO you would have to take a look at Vick. Now I don't stand beeehind the dog fighting thing but as a fan wanting the Bears to win games he could be dangerous if we had him . There is this formation called the wildcat I'm sure you have heard of it. Now lets just stop and imagine if we had, lets say Vick, Hester and Forte & Wolfe. This would be a nightmare f other teams to try to stop. For the record Vick can or could throw the deep pass, he made his TE Pro Bowl material for years, oh and when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH at the time so it made Vick look worst then he was. Hell Davis, Booker,Hester, lloyd all make Orton look bad when they drop good passes. I think if we had Vick at QB Olsen would make the Pro Bowl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Interesting.... The Wildcat would be really interesting... IMHO you would have to take a look at Vick. Now I don't stand beeehind the dog fighting thing but as a fan wanting the Bears to win games he could be dangerous if we had him . There is this formation called the wildcat I'm sure you have heard of it. Now lets just stop and imagine if we had, lets say Vick, Hester and Forte & Wolfe. This would be a nightmare f other teams to try to stop. For the record Vick can or could throw the deep pass, he made his TE Pro Bowl material for years, oh and when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH at the time so it made Vick look worst then he was. Hell Davis, Booker,Hester, lloyd all make Orton look bad when they drop good passes. I think if we had Vick at QB Olsen would make the Pro Bowl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 IMHO you would have to take a look at Vick. Now I don't stand beeehind the dog fighting thing but as a fan wanting the Bears to win games he could be dangerous if we had him . There is this formation called the wildcat I'm sure you have heard of it. Now lets just stop and imagine if we had, lets say Vick, Hester and Forte & Wolfe. This would be a nightmare f other teams to try to stop. For the record Vick can or could throw the deep pass, he made his TE Pro Bowl material for years, oh and when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH at the time so it made Vick look worst then he was. Hell Davis, Booker,Hester, lloyd all make Orton look bad when they drop good passes. I think if we had Vick at QB Olsen would make the Pro Bowl! We all want to win games, but I believe we can do so while maintaining a level of integrity, which we lose w/ Vick. I do not believe we need only look at angels. But there is a sizable gap, IMHO, between much of what we see players do, and what Vick did. Also have to disagree on the idea Vick was ever a good QB. Yes, he could throw the deep pass in the sense that he had a great arm, but it takes more than a strong arm in the NFL. His deep passes were never very accurate. He could sling it downfield, but he was most often off the mark. He didn't have great WRs, but at the same time, he did little to help them. And I am not sure I would agree "he made Crumpler a pro bowl TE". Crumpler was a hell of a talent, and it could just as easily be argued that Crumpler helped made Vick almost look like a QB. Finally, I am not sure how you think he would work in the wildcat formation. I am not sure how a QB that can runs helps this system. If anything, I would think it would hurt. Key in the wildcat is the unexpected direct snap to a quick RB (sometimes WR) who can run. But if you have a QB like Vick, you already have 9 guys in the box playing to stop the run. In fact, i would argue Vick would hurt the wildcat formation. Sorry, but Vick was never a very good QB. He was an exciting player to watch, and sold tickets. He was amazing running the ball, but simply never an accurate passer, and never a good decision maker. I doubt his two years in jail have improved either area. I would rather ask Ryan Leaf if he wants to be our QB coach than sign Vick to run our offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH That's because Vick sucked and Ryan doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH That's because Vick sucked and Ryan doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 IMHO you would have to take a look at Vick. Now I don't stand beeehind the dog fighting thing but as a fan wanting the Bears to win games he could be dangerous if we had him . There is this formation called the wildcat I'm sure you have heard of it. Now lets just stop and imagine if we had, lets say Vick, Hester and Forte & Wolfe. This would be a nightmare f other teams to try to stop. For the record Vick can or could throw the deep pass, he made his TE Pro Bowl material for years, oh and when he was throwing to White and Jenkins get this THEY COULD NOT CATCH at the time so it made Vick look worst then he was. Hell Davis, Booker,Hester, lloyd all make Orton look bad when they drop good passes. I think if we had Vick at QB Olsen would make the Pro Bowl! We all want to win games, but I believe we can do so while maintaining a level of integrity, which we lose w/ Vick. I do not believe we need only look at angels. But there is a sizable gap, IMHO, between much of what we see players do, and what Vick did. Also have to disagree on the idea Vick was ever a good QB. Yes, he could throw the deep pass in the sense that he had a great arm, but it takes more than a strong arm in the NFL. His deep passes were never very accurate. He could sling it downfield, but he was most often off the mark. He didn't have great WRs, but at the same time, he did little to help them. And I am not sure I would agree "he made Crumpler a pro bowl TE". Crumpler was a hell of a talent, and it could just as easily be argued that Crumpler helped made Vick almost look like a QB. Finally, I am not sure how you think he would work in the wildcat formation. I am not sure how a QB that can runs helps this system. If anything, I would think it would hurt. Key in the wildcat is the unexpected direct snap to a quick RB (sometimes WR) who can run. But if you have a QB like Vick, you already have 9 guys in the box playing to stop the run. In fact, i would argue Vick would hurt the wildcat formation. Sorry, but Vick was never a very good QB. He was an exciting player to watch, and sold tickets. He was amazing running the ball, but simply never an accurate passer, and never a good decision maker. I doubt his two years in jail have improved either area. I would rather ask Ryan Leaf if he wants to be our QB coach than sign Vick to run our offense. How could you say it would hyrt the wildcat? Ok picture this you and your defense trying to stop Vick, Hester Forte, Olsen and Wolfe(if used right). Didn't Vick and Dunn both run for 1000 yards while in Atlanta? You can run Vick and Hester to the outside or Hike the ball to Hester have himlateral it to Vick who throws it to Olsen wide open or a WR down feild. Someone is bound on your defense to miss an assignment like Manning did against Houston trying to play the run or Tillman did against the Vikings for Berrian 99 yard TD, not to mention who can catch Vick(if he still has the same speed) when he gets into the open? I don't say Vick is the answer to our QB problems but Its worth a look to see and who are we going to get other than Warner(37, Garcia(38) collins(37) and or a rookie. Olsen was a great pick last year,but I would have picked Flacco. So who are we ging to pick at QB, Bradford, Stafford, Harrell, who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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