Guest TerraTor Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 probably a boom or bust, but then again our WR are terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I like him but he seems too raw for our coaching staff. They cant develop a WR to save their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 But they do love speed DB, and he certainly does have that. I heard that some reporter asked Lovie if there was a football player and a speed player on the board which would you go for, and he said speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 But they do love speed DB, and he certainly does have that. I heard that some reporter asked Lovie if there was a football player and a speed player on the board which would you go for, and he said speed. I think he has potential to be a monster. I wouldnt be surprised to see us draft him. I just hope they can bring him along if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 That quote speaks volumes! Guys like Belichick and Parcells want football players, not track stars... I'll take speed if I can get it, but i want a football player first and foremost. Tough, gritty, football smarts. If he's fast, it's like free dessert with the meal. Most these guys aren't that slow... I heard that some reporter asked Lovie if there was a football player and a speed player on the board which would you go for, and he said speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 That quote speaks volumes! Guys like Belichick and Parcells want football players, not track stars... I'll take speed if I can get it, but i want a football player first and foremost. Tough, gritty, football smarts. If he's fast, it's like free dessert with the meal. Most these guys aren't that slow... All we need is another Airese Currie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Our recycling bin is loaded with those kinds of players... All we need is another Airese Currie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 probably a boom or bust, but then again our WR are terrible Won't there be a player available in the 2nd round with great speed who can play WR??? We just need to make sure we take care of our D-line before we roll the dice with WR's. We spent 4 years waiting for Mark Bradley to flip the switch. Hopefully, other teams will jump on these WR's who have great speed, which will allow for a top DE or tackle to fall to us. It's always amazing how one player jumping up changes the entire complexion of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Won't there be a player available in the 2nd round with great speed who can play WR??? We just need to make sure we take care of our D-line before we roll the dice with WR's. We spent 4 years waiting for Mark Bradley to flip the switch. Hopefully, other teams will jump on these WR's who have great speed, which will allow for a top DE or tackle to fall to us. It's always amazing how one player jumping up changes the entire complexion of the draft. If DHB jumps up ahead of 18, I'd be happy. Because like you said, someone else will become available. As much as I wouldn't mind a DE, my #1 preference is finding a OT. I'm still hoping Andre Smith or Michael Oher fall to us and if not we can find someway to trade down and take Duke Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 IMHO you have to look at our roster when we think about WR. We have two speed guys already in Devin Hester and Devin Aromashodu. Granted we don't know what the other Devin can do yet but he's a 4.3 guy at 6'2 202 sort of like DHB from Maryland.Then you have to see if Rideau can step up if we lose Llyod . I think Davis or Bennett needs to step up too even though we might cut Davis. If we could aquire Harrison from the Colts and draft DHB we would be set at WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 probably a boom or bust, but then again our WR are terrible If the Bears want to target WR, I think there best bet is to move down into the beginning of the 2nd and take on of Bey, Nicks, Robinskie that are on the board (one of them will be there). Than use your other 2nd on the tackle that fell and you'll probably have picked up an extra 3rd round pick via the trade which you can use to snag a safety and a guard. So your first day picks all are addressing need positions. On top of this the Bears must sign a WR via FA. I'm not talking about breaking the bank on Housh, rather picking up a Holt or Harrison. Get a very good veteran who might not have a 1000 yard season left in him, but should be able to get 600-700 yards while mentoring the younger WR's (ie, Bennett, Hester, and the top pick). I think that as a whole you'd be talking about a much better WR corps (as the vet is better than Book was....Hester is better than Hester was last year....Bennett improves as the 4th....and the top pick is the 3rd and he would have more talent than Davis or whomever else). Plus Davis is cheap and can be a 3 or 4 early in the season if the younger WR isn't quite ready. I'd be thrilled if the Bears did the above and I don't think it is too unrealistic. It's not like I'm talking about them breaking the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 probably a boom or bust, but then again our WR are terrible Unless it's in the second round, then the answer should be no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 But they do love speed DB, and he certainly does have that. I heard that some reporter asked Lovie if there was a football player and a speed player on the board which would you go for, and he said speed. My answer to that: Mike Brown in his first year OR Daniel Manning in his first year Seems like an obvious choice. You ALWAYS go with the stud who is just a little slower, versus the track star who is missing football skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Hell yes. I always read fans talk about how you can't teach speed. Okay, fine. But I'll give up speed in order to get a football player anyday. Think about it this way. Who really wants to follow the footsteps of Al Davis? Davis is well known as an owner who loves speed and athleticism. He doesn't care how raw the guy is. If he see's a great 40 speed, he falls in love w/ the player. On the other end of the spectrum is Billichek, who simply tries to find football players. Players he gets may not always be the fastest or most athletic, but I would argue they look much better on the field than Al Davis' projects. My answer to that: Mike Brown in his first year OR Daniel Manning in his first year Seems like an obvious choice. You ALWAYS go with the stud who is just a little slower, versus the track star who is missing football skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I hope that Heyward-Bey keeps his stock high, if only so he'll push the receivers I actually want into the second round. He's tall and fast, but he's very raw. He was brutally underutilized in Maryland's offense: that's kind of a plus, because his lack of production isn't really a concern, but it's also a bad thing, since he missed out on a lot of development as a receiver. He only ran a few routes in college, and his hands are OK, but not great. We need a dependable possession guy who can get open underneath and be Orton's safety valve. Furthermore, we need somebody who can do that from Game 1 next season. The only thing I'd depend on DHB for his first season would be running a straight go route. A lot of people have projected him to the Ravens, and that makes a bunch of sense. They have a strong-armed QB in Flacco, and a dependable vet who can handle the underneath routes in Derrick Mason. For my money, if we're going receiver on the first day, we need a guy like Robiskie or Nicks who can get open on a crossing route and make the catch. If Lovie wants a pure speed merchant, go get Johnny Knox on day 2. On turf, he's at least as fast as DHB, and his catching and route-running are on a similar level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Hakeem and Robinskie to me grade out as a bit more sure things and I really think either could turn into 100 reception machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Hakeem and Robinskie to me grade out as a bit more sure things and I really think either could turn into 100 reception machines. I'm more for Nicks/Robinskie/Britt, but I'd like to wait until RD2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 DABEARSDABOMB Not to be a smartass, but it's Robiskie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I actually like Heyward-Bey a lot, but not necessarily for us. I think he is a WR who could be great, but it will depend much on where he goes. Send him to an established offense, w/ an established QB, and where he could develop w/o too great of immediate expectations placed on him, and I think he could develop into a great WR. Think Roddy White. Little to nothing his first couple years, but year 3 is his coming out party, and he has not stopped partying since. I can see similar for Bey, but not if he is drafted by a team like Chicago. We can not afford to draft a WR in the 1st and wait 3 years for him to develop. We have a QB more in need of quality WRs than one in which can elevate the play of those WR. Bey may have great skills, but they are raw. That just isn't what we need. I too like Nicks and Robiskie, but wonder if their value will match up w/ our pick. Right now, Nicks seems like a late 1st round pick, while Robiskie a late 1st, early 2nd. In other words, either is a reach w/ our 1st round pick, but will likely be gone by our 2nd rounder. So I am not sure we are going to end up w/ either, though we agree on those being the "type" of WR we should be looking at. I hope that Heyward-Bey keeps his stock high, if only so he'll push the receivers I actually want into the second round. He's tall and fast, but he's very raw. He was brutally underutilized in Maryland's offense: that's kind of a plus, because his lack of production isn't really a concern, but it's also a bad thing, since he missed out on a lot of development as a receiver. He only ran a few routes in college, and his hands are OK, but not great. We need a dependable possession guy who can get open underneath and be Orton's safety valve. Furthermore, we need somebody who can do that from Game 1 next season. The only thing I'd depend on DHB for his first season would be running a straight go route. A lot of people have projected him to the Ravens, and that makes a bunch of sense. They have a strong-armed QB in Flacco, and a dependable vet who can handle the underneath routes in Derrick Mason. For my money, if we're going receiver on the first day, we need a guy like Robiskie or Nicks who can get open on a crossing route and make the catch. If Lovie wants a pure speed merchant, go get Johnny Knox on day 2. On turf, he's at least as fast as DHB, and his catching and route-running are on a similar level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 But there is the rub. While I think all three appear to be a reach at 18, it seems like the expectation is all three will be gone by our 2nd round pick. All three appear to be considered late 1st round, maybe very early 2nd round picks. I'm more for Nicks/Robinskie/Britt, but I'd like to wait until RD2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 My thoughts exactly... Hell yes. I always read fans talk about how you can't teach speed. Okay, fine. But I'll give up speed in order to get a football player anyday. Think about it this way. Who really wants to follow the footsteps of Al Davis? Davis is well known as an owner who loves speed and athleticism. He doesn't care how raw the guy is. If he see's a great 40 speed, he falls in love w/ the player. On the other end of the spectrum is Billichek, who simply tries to find football players. Players he gets may not always be the fastest or most athletic, but I would argue they look much better on the field than Al Davis' projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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