WheresMyronBaker Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Does anyone else here think its possible that we may try to somehow acquire first day picks from someone, saving our cap space for this year on first day rookie deals and the potential need to re-up Orton? It seems rather odd that we dont appear to be using any of the cap space, and I dont see anyone on the new contract list other than the potential for Orton to get one. Other guys who appear to be in last years of deals are Mark Anderson, Dusty, AP, Ogunleye and Daniel Manning. If it IS possible...or you think it could be...who could we move on draft day to get picks in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds? I personally cant think of anyone we could offload of value other than Dez Clark and Olin Kreutz...and I cant imagine there being interested takers. We cant possibly be up to nothing. Can we? Do we honestly expect to sign more than one or two of the guys listed above to new contracts? It baffles the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm stumped... Does anyone know what the salary floor is? I'm starting to think we won't hit it! Does anyone else here think its possible that we may try to somehow acquire first day picks from someone, saving our cap space for this year on first day rookie deals and the potential need to re-up Orton? It seems rather odd that we dont appear to be using any of the cap space, and I dont see anyone on the new contract list other than the potential for Orton to get one. Other guys who appear to be in last years of deals are Mark Anderson, Dusty, AP, Ogunleye and Daniel Manning. If it IS possible...or you think it could be...who could we move on draft day to get picks in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds? I personally cant think of anyone we could offload of value other than Dez Clark and Olin Kreutz...and I cant imagine there being interested takers. We cant possibly be up to nothing. Can we? Do we honestly expect to sign more than one or two of the guys listed above to new contracts? It baffles the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Maybe Philadelphia? They have two firsts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Maybe Philadelphia? They have two firsts. I'm thinking maybe more like St. Louis, Seattle, Oakland, or Jacksonville. These are teams that are not in the best cap space according to ask the commish: 21 Jacksonville Jaguars $20000000 22 San Diego Chargers $18000000 23 NY Giants $15000000 24 Dallas Cowboys $14000000 25 Carolina Panthers $13000000 26 Seattle Seahawks $13000000 27 St. Louis Rams $12000000 28 Oakland Raiders $8000000 29 Indianapolis Colts $6000000 30 Washington Redskins $1000000 31 New Orleans Saints $-1000000 32 NY Jets $-3000000 But to make a deal with one of these, we probably have to forfiet this years 1, 3 and a 1 next year at least. Sitting in this position, we can possibly get: Stafford, Monroe, J Smith, Crabtree, Orakpo, E. Brown. The ones making the most since would be Monroe/Smith to play RT. 1. Monroe/Smith OT..................Crabtree WR......................Crabtree WR 2. Britt/Robiskie WR ..... OR...... Loadholdt OT........... OR....L. Delmas FS 3b. Bruton FS..........................Bruton FS...........................X. Fulton OT A draft like this would have me satisfied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Does anyone else here think its possible that we may try to somehow acquire first day picks from someone, saving our cap space for this year on first day rookie deals and the potential need to re-up Orton? It seems rather odd that we dont appear to be using any of the cap space, and I dont see anyone on the new contract list other than the potential for Orton to get one. Other guys who appear to be in last years of deals are Mark Anderson, Dusty, AP, Ogunleye and Daniel Manning. If it IS possible...or you think it could be...who could we move on draft day to get picks in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds? I personally cant think of anyone we could offload of value other than Dez Clark and Olin Kreutz...and I cant imagine there being interested takers. We cant possibly be up to nothing. Can we? Do we honestly expect to sign more than one or two of the guys listed above to new contracts? It baffles the mind. That's an interesting thought on why the hell we're doing nothing, except there's two flaws in your theory: 1. Angelo has a history that says he HATES to trade up. The only two times I can think he traded up were to draft Justin Gage and Craig Krenzel. Both those guys were 5th rounders. 2. WE'RE 30 MILLION UNDER THE CAP!!! If we had the #1 pick overall, we'd still have tons of room to spare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I dont think we have anything to offer that would warrant a first day pick, let alone a first rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 That's an interesting thought on why the hell we're doing nothing, except there's two flaws in your theory: 1. Angelo has a history that says he HATES to trade up. The only two times I can think he traded up were to draft Justin Gage and Craig Krenzel. Both those guys were 5th rounders. 2. WE'RE 30 MILLION UNDER THE CAP!!! If we had the #1 pick overall, we'd still have tons of room to spare. We did interview Crabtree and Smith at the combine though, why would we go through that process if we didn't think there was a slim chance we might be in position to take one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but I'd love to see us trade our 1st this year to a team who could struggle next year for their 1st next year and 3rd this year. I was thinking the Jets? They lost Coles and they're banking on Clemons (maybe Sanchez) to win them tons of games next year. We'd have the same amount of picks just no 1st rounder, which doesn't seem too bad because there's no definite guy at 18 I'd like. Maclin, DHB, English, and Oher all have questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresMyronBaker Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just a note - Im not necessarily referring to a trade up per se. Or just a trade up in the first. Im talking about somehow managing to get MORE first day picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 It is possible but not probable simply because we have too many holes and fortunately a couple of those holes happen to be where there is good depth...OT and WR. However, since you are talking about first day picks that means 1st and 2nd Rd. If we end up with another 3rd Rd pick I could see us packaging our 3rd (can't trade a comp pick) with a 4th to try to get back up into the 2nd Rd. That might give us a shot at grabbing OT/WR/S or DE on day one. We could come back on day 2 with a late 3rd Rd pick to address S or DE that we missed on day one and then drop to the 5th Rd for BPA. As far as cap space I don't see us using up all our cap space this year for a simple reason....we don't yet have the talent that demands it on offense and our defense has already been paid; nor was that kind of talent available in FA although I think we could have done something better at RT. Whether or not Orton sticks around next year our QB slot is going to have a much bigger cap hit in 2010 so that space needs to be held back now possibly for an extension mid-year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Maybe because both have the chance to slip in the draft. Consider the year we drafted Harris. Few mock drafts had him slipping to us, but a couple red flags had him fall in the draft, and thus to us. While it is unlikely either Crabtree, or Smith, makes it to us, I do think both are players who are slipping some in the draft, and thus why it is more prudent to interview them. We did interview Crabtree and Smith at the combine though, why would we go through that process if we didn't think there was a slim chance we might be in position to take one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I just do not see the players on our team that would bring a 1st round pick in return. Consider, for example, that NE just got a 2nd round pick for Cassell and (forgot who) the OLB. When you look at trades made in recent years, few were for 1st round picks, and the ones that were involved talent I do not see on our team. Who on our team do you really think could net a 1st round pick? Briggs, maybe, but even he I doubt would net a 1st, and no way we are trading him. Who else? I just do not see any players on our team that (a) we would have any interest in trading and ( would net a 1st round pick. For that matter, I am not sure I even see 2nd round pick values. Just a note - Im not necessarily referring to a trade up per se. Or just a trade up in the first. Im talking about somehow managing to get MORE first day picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresMyronBaker Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I just do not see the players on our team that would bring a 1st round pick in return. Consider, for example, that NE just got a 2nd round pick for Cassell and (forgot who) the OLB. When you look at trades made in recent years, few were for 1st round picks, and the ones that were involved talent I do not see on our team. Who on our team do you really think could net a 1st round pick? Briggs, maybe, but even he I doubt would net a 1st, and no way we are trading him. Who else? I just do not see any players on our team that (a) we would have any interest in trading and ( would net a 1st round pick. For that matter, I am not sure I even see 2nd round pick values. I have no idea. Based on what I threw out there I think Dez Clark has some value. Kruetz has some value. We could move Ogunleye, Alex Brown, or Mark Anderson. I dont think anyone on this list is worth a 1 or a 2. Not sure any is worth a 3. What about packaging guys and later picks? Im not saying at all that I see anything that works...Im just wondering what could be happening, because I dont see the team getting better right now unless JA rolls a Yahtzee in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Im just wondering what could be happening, because I dont see the team getting better right now unless JA rolls a Yahtzee in the draft. Now here, I can agree w/ you. I don't see the trade options there, but it just seems like there is something we are missing. That is why I threw out there the thread asking how we will use our cap space. I just find it too hard to believe Angelo/Lovie feel we are so close/set, and that they do not see the glaring needs the rest of us see. Nor can I believe Angelo believes so highly of himself that he is relying on his ability to roll not one, not two, but many yahtzee's. I mean, if we don't see significant moves, we are going to have to see 3 or 4 major draft day hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I just do not see the players on our team that would bring a 1st round pick in return. Consider, for example, that NE just got a 2nd round pick for Cassell and (forgot who) the OLB. When you look at trades made in recent years, few were for 1st round picks, and the ones that were involved talent I do not see on our team. Who on our team do you really think could net a 1st round pick? Briggs, maybe, but even he I doubt would net a 1st, and no way we are trading him. Who else? I just do not see any players on our team that (a) we would have any interest in trading and ( would net a 1st round pick. For that matter, I am not sure I even see 2nd round pick values. Christ that's a depressing thought. I'd say Forte only because he's proven that he's a first round talent, and he's being paid 2nd round money. MAYBE Greg Olsen. But that's a big maybe. I believe the Giants got a 2nd for Shockey & he was an ass-hat, but more proven. Certainly not Hester or Harris right now. Brad Maynard? Robbie Gould? Patrick Mannelly? God I'm depressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Christ that's a depressing thought. I'd say Forte only because he's proven that he's a first round talent, and he's being paid 2nd round money. MAYBE Greg Olsen. But that's a big maybe. I believe the Giants got a 2nd for Shockey & he was an ass-hat, but more proven. Certainly not Hester or Harris right now. Brad Maynard? Robbie Gould? Patrick Mannelly? God I'm depressed. How many players around the league on each team would you give up a 1st round pick for straight-up? How does that compare to the total # of first round picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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