jason Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Specifically, I'm having the pipe dream of Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt. What if the Bears signed them both? That makes the WRs: Harrison, Holt, Hester, Bennett, and whoever else That thought makes Jason happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Honestly no, it wouldn't. The Bears need a #1 possession type guy. But they also need to have room to develop their own guys through the draft. You don't build a team through FA and be successful, you build it through the draft and use FA to plug holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Honestly no, it wouldn't. The Bears need a #1 possession type guy. But they also need to have room to develop their own guys through the draft. You don't build a team through FA and be successful, you build it through the draft and use FA to plug holes. Um...I think the phrase "#1 posession type guy" is almost a contradiction, maybe closer to an oxymoron. But if it's not, then who in the hell in the NFL is closer to being a #1 possession type guy than Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt? The only name I can think of that fits that bill accurately is Hines Ward, and he's not available. You can't hold out for that which is not there. As for holding out to develop their own guys...which player are you referring to? Bennett? Great to see how he was treated last year. Are you referring to another draft pick that will almost inevitably sit on the bench because the coaches like "their guy"? I agree that the way to do things is to build through the draft, but since this coaching staff has been proven to distrust rookies, maybe picking up a FA is the way to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 One of my best buddies is a Colts STH and he told me that this past year Harrison's play declined significantly this past year. Also, his word + I watched a few Colts game this past year and he doesn't seem like the same ol Marvin Harrison. Holt I wouldn't mind, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 As for holding out to develop their own guys...which player are you referring to? Bennett? Great to see how he was treated last year. Are you referring to another draft pick that will almost inevitably sit on the bench because the coaches like "their guy"? I agree that the way to do things is to build through the draft, but since this coaching staff has been proven to distrust rookies, maybe picking up a FA is the way to go? Just because the coaches like to bench people doesn't mean it's the right decision. Especially if they've finished the rookie benching for Bennett. May as well see if we can use that 3rd WR spot to strike gold with someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Just because the coaches like to bench people doesn't mean it's the right decision. Especially if they've finished the rookie benching for Bennett. May as well see if we can use that 3rd WR spot to strike gold with someone. DUDE! THAT'S MY POINT!!! I think the coaches don't really have a great track record with drafting and developing offensive talent. So the whole, "build through the draft and fill holes on offense through FA" line of reasoning doesn't really apply that well to this staff. Maybe the Bears need to think outside the box, and just sign proven offensive talent so that there is no debate over whether or not a rookie should get any playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I follow... Sad indictment on the staff... DUDE! THAT'S MY POINT!!! I think the coaches don't really have a great track record with drafting and developing offensive talent. So the whole, "build through the draft and fill holes on offense through FA" line of reasoning doesn't really apply that well to this staff. Maybe the Bears need to think outside the box, and just sign proven offensive talent so that there is no debate over whether or not a rookie should get any playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 DUDE! THAT'S MY POINT!!! I think the coaches don't really have a great track record with drafting and developing offensive talent. So the whole, "build through the draft and fill holes on offense through FA" line of reasoning doesn't really apply that well to this staff. Maybe the Bears need to think outside the box, and just sign proven offensive talent so that there is no debate over whether or not a rookie should get any playing time. I dont think Harrison is a good option, but Holt would help. If Harrison had anything left do you think the Colts would discard him that easily? Just because Bennett didnt play last year doesnt mean he cant play. Look at the track record of this coaching staff. Graham can play where did you see him two years ago. Beechman did a decent job and he never saw a down two years ago. We still have yet to find out what Garrett Wolfe can do as a third down back. When they put him in there they usually dive him up the middle. Adams played well last year yet he was no where to be found till the 8th game into the season. There has been alot of poor decisions made as far as personal on this team. I think that all falls on Lovie and his ego. He knows all so he brings in his old pal Adam A two years ago. The Super Bowl was the worse thing to happen to this team three years, it made them think they were smarter than they were and everybody got long team contacts.Lovie and Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sounds good to me. Also, while some say we need a #1, I can't help but wonder what happens to Hester if we add both Harrison and Holt. To me, they would give Hester a great opportunity to develop into a #1. Specifically, I'm having the pipe dream of Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt. What if the Bears signed them both? That makes the WRs: Harrison, Holt, Hester, Bennett, and whoever else That thought makes Jason happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbearsfan Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Holt is good, Harrison is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Holt is good, Harrison is done. I agree. Harrison has lost it, and I read he doesn't have his heart in the game anymore. So, while he's got a ton of experience, I don't think he brings anything to the table execpt asking for a paycheck. Holt, I am hoping, will get picked up by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Interesting point... Not sure if I agree, but on the other hand, it sure makes some sense. The Super Bowl was the worse thing to happen to this team three years, it made them think they were smarter than they were and everybody got long team contacts.Lovie and Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Maybe he is done. I am simply not sure. Here is what I think. Two years ago he suffered a big injury, and didn't play much. Prior to that injury, he was looking as solid as ever. Last year, I think he stuggled some w/ off-field crap, as well as facing the reality of his new role. He is no longer a #1, and frankly, I am not sure he is even a starter. But I do believe he can still be a productive WR. I would love to see Holt playing opposite Hester, and w/ Harrison in the slot. Bennett plays on 4 WR downs, in the red zone, and likely rotates even slot reps w/ Harrison depending on situation. Harrison has lost much of what he had, but when you start out so high, even after a bit of a drop, you still have a fair bit left. I agree. Harrison has lost it, and I read he doesn't have his heart in the game anymore. So, while he's got a ton of experience, I don't think he brings anything to the table execpt asking for a paycheck. Holt, I am hoping, will get picked up by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshaz Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Harrison has lost much of what he had, but when you start out so high, even after a bit of a drop, you still have a fair bit left. Agreed! We have to keep in mind where we're at in regards to that position. Sorry, but Marvin Harrison at 70% is better than anything we have already. He'd immediately be our best WR. Obviously, the same goes for Holt. Now, I would probably prefer to try to let Hester and Bennett develop. But, if we signed two Holt and Harrison, I'd get over that real quick. We know that it's a pipe dream though. JA would never do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Agreed! We have to keep in mind where we're at in regards to that position. Sorry, but Marvin Harrison at 70% is better than anything we have already. He'd immediately be our best WR. Obviously, the same goes for Holt. Now, I would probably prefer to try to let Hester and Bennett develop. But, if we signed two Holt and Harrison, I'd get over that real quick. We know that it's a pipe dream though. JA would never do it. That's exactly my reasoning. And as for the posts about Harrison's demise...your statement about 70% of his skills is totally accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sign Holt forget Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brletich Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sign Holt forget Harrison Sign both forget Davis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Sign both forget Davis... If your going to have a pipe dream, trade for Boldin. We might be lucky to sign one old wr, but we would never sign two. Holt has more left, If Manning wasnt throwing to his favorite target, you would know he player last year. Hes a saint in Indy, they would never let him go unless he had nothing left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brletich Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 If your going to have a pipe dream, trade for Boldin. We might be lucky to sign one old wr, but we would never sign two. Holt has more left, If Manning wasnt throwing to his favorite target, you would know he player last year. Hes a saint in Indy, they would never let him go unless he had nothing left. And Harrison with nothing left is still 1000% better than Davis at his "best" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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