jason Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Let's say you wanted to pull off what I'm calling a "Reverse Mike Ditka", and trade your entire draft for one player in the league. Ignore salary cap stuff. Ignore reality. Ignore the current team needs. Which player do you think would be worth this year's entire draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm assuming you mean to trade all our picks this year for one player.... And I'm not sure I would actually do it... Peyton Manning. Consistent. Has 5 years left in him. Would keep us in every game. Let's say you wanted to pull off what I'm calling a "Reverse Mike Ditka", and trade your entire draft for one player in the league. Ignore salary cap stuff. Ignore reality. Ignore the current team needs. Which player do you think would be worth this year's entire draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm assuming you mean to trade all our picks this year for one player.... And I'm not sure I would actually do it... Peyton Manning. Consistent. Has 5 years left in him. Would keep us in every game. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbearsfan Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm assuming you mean to trade all our picks this year for one player.... And I'm not sure I would actually do it... Peyton Manning. Consistent. Has 5 years left in him. Would keep us in every game. With Peyton you also have to consider the system too? Would he be as good in Chi? A guy like BRady might be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I personally think numerous players would fit the bill. I think you are most likely looking at QB, LT, WR, DL and CB. I think of it this way. Is an entire draft worth that much more than two #1 picks, which is the value of a franchise player? I am not so sure. If I have to give up my entire draft for a franchise player I can build my team around, I think that is worth it. The draft is a total crap shoot, and the later the round, the worse the odds. Think about it this way. If you use your picks, and all but one turns out to be a bust, but that one pick is a legit franchise player at a premier position, would most not say it was still a good draft, despite all the busts? Look at 2005. That was an awful draft for us, but imagine if Orton (drafted in the 4th) were to turnout to be a great, pro bowl QB. I would say that draft was a success, despite the bombs, simply because we walked away w/ a franchise QB. Getting multiple quality or very good players is always great, but if you walk away from a draft w/ one elite, franchise player, I think you have done even better than if you walk away w/ several good players. Thus, I think it would be worth it to give up an entire draft for numerous players in the NFL. Let's say you wanted to pull off what I'm calling a "Reverse Mike Ditka", and trade your entire draft for one player in the league. Ignore salary cap stuff. Ignore reality. Ignore the current team needs. Which player do you think would be worth this year's entire draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I actually think Brady is more a system guy than Manning... But I'm only really basing that on gut feeling... I think Manning would succeed anywhere. I'm not sure Brady does... And right now, there's a bit of a question on how healty is he. I go w/ the bird in hand... But it's like saying, would you rather have the gold coin with an eagle on it, or the one with the president on it? They're basically the same weight, so it's just preference! With Peyton you also have to consider the system too? Would he be as good in Chi? A guy like BRady might be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Very eloquent! But what's your answer? I personally think numerous players would fit the bill. I think you are most likely looking at QB, LT, WR, DL and CB. I think of it this way. Is an entire draft worth that much more than two #1 picks, which is the value of a franchise player? I am not so sure. If I have to give up my entire draft for a franchise player I can build my team around, I think that is worth it. The draft is a total crap shoot, and the later the round, the worse the odds. Think about it this way. If you use your picks, and all but one turns out to be a bust, but that one pick is a legit franchise player at a premier position, would most not say it was still a good draft, despite all the busts? Look at 2005. That was an awful draft for us, but imagine if Orton (drafted in the 4th) were to turnout to be a great, pro bowl QB. I would say that draft was a success, despite the bombs, simply because we walked away w/ a franchise QB. Getting multiple quality or very good players is always great, but if you walk away from a draft w/ one elite, franchise player, I think you have done even better than if you walk away w/ several good players. Thus, I think it would be worth it to give up an entire draft for numerous players in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Very eloquent! But what's your answer? Like talking to your wife sometimes, isn't it? My pick is Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Wise choice!!! Like talking to your wife sometimes, isn't it? My pick is Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 hard to choose one...i would have to think about it longer, but it would likely come from the following group of players....p.manning, brady, mario williams, demarcus ware, haynesworth, joe thomas, adrian peterson....likely one of the two qbs but both come with declining age/health issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 If we didn't have Forte, I'd say AP Otherwise, the entire draft would have to go to either a premier LT or QB. LT - I like Joe Thomas also QB - why not - Jay Cutler or Phillip Rivers young guns ready to become probowlers, Drew Brees since we passed on him earlier or Matt Ryan who showed poise as a rookie. Ben Rothlisberger is also a thought. With Manning/Brady, I see Manning heading down the wrong side of the hill and Brady is under a system that made Castle look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 If we didn't have Forte, I'd say AP Otherwise, the entire draft would have to go to either a premier LT or QB. LT - I like Joe Thomas also QB - why not - Jay Cutler or Phillip Rivers young guns ready to become probowlers, Drew Brees since we passed on him earlier or Matt Ryan who showed poise as a rookie. Ben Rothlisberger is also a thought. With Manning/Brady, I see Manning heading down the wrong side of the hill and Brady is under a system that made Castle look great. If we were going to go the younger QB route I would have to say Big Ben over those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 hard to choose one...i would have to think about it longer, but it would likely come from the following group of players....p.manning, brady, mario williams, demarcus ware, haynesworth, joe thomas, adrian peterson....likely one of the two qbs but both come with declining age/health issues Mario Williams!? Demarcus Ware!? Haynesworth!? Gamblin' man in the house!!! I gotta take you to Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Mario Williams!? Demarcus Ware!? Haynesworth!? Gamblin' man in the house!!! I gotta take you to Vegas. i said id probably go with one of the QBs...but the biggest hole in our D last year IMO was our ability (or lack thereof) to get to the passer (for next year its probably our safties, but theres no safety i would trade an entire draft for)...Ware and Williams are both young guys who should have 15+ sacks for the forseeable future and are constantly disrupting in the backfield, and haynesworth is the most dominant defensive player in the league, one who can pressure the passer from the interior....if you ask me the addition of any one of those guys to our D helps our defense in so many ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 What is the value of an entire draft? The idea itself sounds big, but after the 1st, what is really the value of the rest of the draft. If you look at the trade chart, the value, assuming you had the 18th pick in each of the next rounds, you would add up to about 700 points, or equal to around the 26th pick of the draft. So we really are talking about the equivalent of two #1 draft picks. Who would I trade that for? I realize you, and others, are looking for one name, but my answer is many. I think there are many (relative) players in the NFL worth two 1st round picks, or again, the equivalent of an entire draft. W/o doing much checking, I would throw out there: QB Rivers, Cutler, Rothlisberger and (if healthy) Brady. I would likely also do this for Manning, but only not if I were starting from scratch. After 11 seasons, I am not sure if he would be the right player to build a team around. RB AP? I might do that, but I am not 100% sure. AP is a young stud, but RBs go down to easily and often, and AP has already suffered injury. As great as he is, I am not sure I would give up two #1s for him. WR Some might disagree, but I definitely believe there are WRs who are worth two #1. Fitzgerald immediately comes to mind. Andre Johnson too. OL For the OL, I believe you have to be looking at the LT position. Some years back, I said I was willing to give Seattle two #1s for Walter Jones. A few years later, I am not sure I would still do that due to his age, but for other LTs? They are some damn good LTs who have entered the leauge in the last two years who it think already are worth it. Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Clady. While I am sure there are some, I just can not think off the top of my head other veterans, but the above three are already among the elite in the league, and still very young. DL I already heard Mario Williams, and would have to agree there. Ware, Peppers, Freeney, Jared Allen. LB Honestly, I am not sure I would give up 2 #1s for a LB. As great as a LB may be, there are simply too many great LBs out there. This position is simply not as difficult to find great talent as some of the above positions. DB I would point out that I do not think a CB is worth two #1s in our system, but in general, yes, the league's elite CBs could be worth that. To be totally honest, I do not know anymore who the truly elite are, but Champ (in his prime) or a Neon Dion shut down corner is easily worth the picks. If I had to choose just one, it would likely be one of the QBs, and likely not Manning. Honestly, it might be Big Ben, who I think may be among the most under-rated QBs in the league. The guy is awesome, but just never seems to get the credit most other QBs who do the same would. Not sure if it is him or the team he plays for, but he is nearly an after-thought when talking about the elite QBs, and yet I think should absolutely be considered in the mix. Let's say you wanted to pull off what I'm calling a "Reverse Mike Ditka", and trade your entire draft for one player in the league. Ignore salary cap stuff. Ignore reality. Ignore the current team needs. Which player do you think would be worth this year's entire draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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