Thoughts on our picks

[nfoligno]

This was just a odd draft. I was so happy after the Cutler deal, that I found myself defending Angelo's picks as often as not. Hey, he is my BFF afterall With that said,

 

Gilbert - I flat out did not want to draft DT early, much less w/ our first pick, but just can not argue this pick. In Gilbert, we got a huge value. Kiper called Gilbert the best value pick in the draft. Seems like an ideal fit for our scheme, and when I think about what Marinelli can do w/ him, well, I just love the potential here.

 

Iglesias - I flat out didn't expect Angelo to want the same receiver I wanted. Not only did he draft Iglesias, but he was also high on Robiskie. Shocking Angelo and I are on the same page here. In Iglesias, I believe we finally found our possession WR to replace Engram, though I think he actually has greater upside.

 

I didn't love all our picks after this, but when I factor Cutler w/ the above two, I just can not hate on this offseason.

 

Melton - Angelo is my new BFF, but I just hate this pick. I watch Texas games more than any other, and not even most Texas fans I know liked Melton. I read about how athletic he is, and that may be true, but you sure didn't see it on the field. Was a decent run blocker, but showed so little as a pass rusher, despite playing w/ Orakpo. I realize he is raw, and the hope is Marinelli can work w/ him, but I just don't think he has the potential some believe, and do not ever see him being a pass rushing DE for us. Also felt this pick was a reach.

 

DJ Moore - I am not as high on this pick, as I just can not get past the size, but I can't attack this pick either. No question DJ was a GREAT value, and is an ultra athletic, playmaking prospect. Will that traslate to the NFL? That is what I want to know, but in the 4th, we got a late 1st/early 2nd round value, and can't argue w/ that.

 

Knox - I love this pick. We got our possession WR early, and now our downfield playmaker. I think we need to hold off on immediate expectations, as I think he will need time to develop. He dominated against lesser competition primarily w/ pure speed, but at the next level, will need far more polish (especially in route running) before he can be anything close to a consistent receiver. May not offer immediate imapct, but could develop in a very good pick in a couple years.

 

Freeman - Individually, I like Freeman. Good value pick w/ solid athleticism. The question for me is, did we draft another player who will waste behind Briggs? Freeman began college at SLB, but was moved to WLB because (a) he struggled to shed blocks ( didn't show great power on the strong side and © staff wanted to better utlize his speed. He is a very good looking WLb, but I question whether he can play SLB, and if not, I fear his potential could be wasted behind Briggs.

 

Afalava - I flat out hate this pick. We have drafted enough box safeties, and that is all alfalfa is. He is weak in coverage, and only asset is playing in the box. While I am not going to say we are lock set at SS, I just can't help but to feel we just drafted another Steltz, especially after reading Gabriel believes that while most view him as a box safety, we believe he can play FS. That just makes me sick.

 

Louis - Love the pick. Not sure if we are looking at him as a blocking TE, OG, OT or FB, but the point to me is, he is a great talent and prospect. Raw, no question. But in the 7th round, to get a player w/ so much upside is a bonus pick IMHO.

 

Kinder - Love this pick as well. Looked like a day one pick prior to the injury. Didn't look great last year, but that was w/ a new QB, new system and likely not yet fully recovered from a major injury. The bust potential is high due to the injury, yet at the same time, if he gets back to pre-injury form, we found another absolute steal here.

 

The only two picks I really dislike are Melton and Afalava. I am luke warm on DJ Moore, though most are high on him, as well as Freeman, only because I question whether he can play SLB and whether he will waste behind Briggs like Williams. Otherwise, I think we found a few steals, and future starters. I see Gilbert and Iglesias being starters sooner rather than later. I see DJ Moore taking the nickel job from DM, though I would not mind seeing him at FS. And I love the potential our other two WRs offer.

 

Overall, I think this was a great draft. I would give it a B+ grade, which jumps up to an A+++++ when Cutler is factored.

[madlithuanian]

Ok, if this "bromance" with JA gets any tighter, we may need to have an intervention!

 

I pretty felt the same. Given Cutler, everything else seems like free dessert with the meal.

 

Gilbert - I was a bit surprised at first, but then it started to make sense. It didn't seem like a reach. We tend to have better luck on D drafting. And, this guy could be an amazing toy for Marinelli to play with! (I think this somewhot puts credence to my thought that JA is giving Angelo everything in the world he can, and is basically saying, make it happen or hit the road. You'll see numerous other picks follow that theory a bit...)

 

Iglesias - I really know nothing of him, but based on your comments and his size, I think it looks great. And not remotely a reach.

 

Melton - I pretty much agree. This one seemed like a reach. Maybe JA sees something, or the raw talent is just ridiculous. I hope this works out, but to me, this is the Bazuin pic of the year.

 

DJ Moore - OK, I like this one. he's small, but he seems like a football player. A freind of mine who's a NE fan, desperately wanted this guy. Could stop talking about him all day long. Said that we got a gem and don't realise it. I hope he's right.

 

Knox - I knew nothing of this kid, but everything I've read makes me thing it's a good flyer pick! Maybe he can spell hester returning...maybe he can be little pain in the butt for someone's D to cover and catch! I'm not expecting much, but maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

 

Freeman - LOVE it!!! An OSU aumni at my office pretty much said he's extremely under-rated...and will end up being a solid contributor for us for many years. I like his motor from what I've seen. And now, I find out that Laurinaitis will now be a bust, and this guys was really the heart of the D! Well, not really, but that's how I'm approaching it now!

 

Afalava - I have no bloody idea about this one. I tend to agree with you that it appears to be a wasted pick or ST slot. I guess we'll see. But I'm not thrilled.

 

Louis - Seems good. Converting him to a FB would send me into bliss! Not sure the team will do that. Seems to me they are trying to find a good replacement for Dez Clark...

 

Kinder - I totally agree and love it! This could be a huge steal!

 

I basically am in agreement with you overall. I'm not as much down on Afalava, but do think Melton was a bit of a reach.

 

If draft this were like Spinal Tap, and counting Cutler...it definitely goes to 11!

 

 

This was just a odd draft. I was so happy after the Cutler deal, that I found myself defending Angelo's picks as often as not. Hey, he is my BFF afterall With that said,

 

Gilbert - I flat out did not want to draft DT early, much less w/ our first pick, but just can not argue this pick. In Gilbert, we got a huge value. Kiper called Gilbert the best value pick in the draft. Seems like an ideal fit for our scheme, and when I think about what Marinelli can do w/ him, well, I just love the potential here.

 

Iglesias - I flat out didn't expect Angelo to want the same receiver I wanted. Not only did he draft Iglesias, but he was also high on Robiskie. Shocking Angelo and I are on the same page here. In Iglesias, I believe we finally found our possession WR to replace Engram, though I think he actually has greater upside.

 

I didn't love all our picks after this, but when I factor Cutler w/ the above two, I just can not hate on this offseason.

 

Melton - Angelo is my new BFF, but I just hate this pick. I watch Texas games more than any other, and not even most Texas fans I know liked Melton. I read about how athletic he is, and that may be true, but you sure didn't see it on the field. Was a decent run blocker, but showed so little as a pass rusher, despite playing w/ Orakpo. I realize he is raw, and the hope is Marinelli can work w/ him, but I just don't think he has the potential some believe, and do not ever see him being a pass rushing DE for us. Also felt this pick was a reach.

 

DJ Moore - I am not as high on this pick, as I just can not get past the size, but I can't attack this pick either. No question DJ was a GREAT value, and is an ultra athletic, playmaking prospect. Will that traslate to the NFL? That is what I want to know, but in the 4th, we got a late 1st/early 2nd round value, and can't argue w/ that.

 

Knox - I love this pick. We got our possession WR early, and now our downfield playmaker. I think we need to hold off on immediate expectations, as I think he will need time to develop. He dominated against lesser competition primarily w/ pure speed, but at the next level, will need far more polish (especially in route running) before he can be anything close to a consistent receiver. May not offer immediate imapct, but could develop in a very good pick in a couple years.

 

Freeman - Individually, I like Freeman. Good value pick w/ solid athleticism. The question for me is, did we draft another player who will waste behind Briggs? Freeman began college at SLB, but was moved to WLB because (a) he struggled to shed blocks ( didn't show great power on the strong side and © staff wanted to better utlize his speed. He is a very good looking WLb, but I question whether he can play SLB, and if not, I fear his potential could be wasted behind Briggs.

 

Afalava - I flat out hate this pick. We have drafted enough box safeties, and that is all alfalfa is. He is weak in coverage, and only asset is playing in the box. While I am not going to say we are lock set at SS, I just can't help but to feel we just drafted another Steltz, especially after reading Gabriel believes that while most view him as a box safety, we believe he can play FS. That just makes me sick.

 

Louis - Love the pick. Not sure if we are looking at him as a blocking TE, OG, OT or FB, but the point to me is, he is a great talent and prospect. Raw, no question. But in the 7th round, to get a player w/ so much upside is a bonus pick IMHO.

 

Kinder - Love this pick as well. Looked like a day one pick prior to the injury. Didn't look great last year, but that was w/ a new QB, new system and likely not yet fully recovered from a major injury. The bust potential is high due to the injury, yet at the same time, if he gets back to pre-injury form, we found another absolute steal here.

 

The only two picks I really dislike are Melton and Afalava. I am luke warm on DJ Moore, though most are high on him, as well as Freeman, only because I question whether he can play SLB and whether he will waste behind Briggs like Williams. Otherwise, I think we found a few steals, and future starters. I see Gilbert and Iglesias being starters sooner rather than later. I see DJ Moore taking the nickel job from DM, though I would not mind seeing him at FS. And I love the potential our other two WRs offer.

 

Overall, I think this was a great draft. I would give it a B+ grade, which jumps up to an A+++++ when Cutler is factored.

[bradjock]

Random general thoughts:

 

I'd be happier with Dick Jarron Gilbert if it wasn't for Dusty & Tank. Not fair to generalize, but it is what it is.

 

Julio's son seems to have a high floor and a low ceiling. That might be what the Dr. ordered with Cutler on board.

 

Early prediction: Melton gets placed on the IR early. I'm marking this page and I'll be happy to point it out September 1st.

 

DJ Moore was arguably the #1 CB when the college season ended . . . helluva a pick. We've got great depth at CB & no safeties. Interesting.

 

I predict the guy from MTV's jackass will join Melton on the IR. I know you disagree NFO. Time will tell.

 

Freeman: He could be the next Jamar Williams. Future special teams MVP.

 

Afalava: You make a good point about the safeties. Are we planning on doing something different with them? Make them interchangeable?

 

Louis: Helluva a pick. Hopefully the next John Gilmore. Can we just remove the FB position from out playbook?

 

Kinder: I like his potential to be the next Mike Hass.

 

 

 

This was just a odd draft. I was so happy after the Cutler deal, that I found myself defending Angelo's picks as often as not. Hey, he is my BFF afterall With that said,

 

Gilbert - I flat out did not want to draft DT early, much less w/ our first pick, but just can not argue this pick. In Gilbert, we got a huge value. Kiper called Gilbert the best value pick in the draft. Seems like an ideal fit for our scheme, and when I think about what Marinelli can do w/ him, well, I just love the potential here.

 

Iglesias - I flat out didn't expect Angelo to want the same receiver I wanted. Not only did he draft Iglesias, but he was also high on Robiskie. Shocking Angelo and I are on the same page here. In Iglesias, I believe we finally found our possession WR to replace Engram, though I think he actually has greater upside.

 

I didn't love all our picks after this, but when I factor Cutler w/ the above two, I just can not hate on this offseason.

 

Melton - Angelo is my new BFF, but I just hate this pick. I watch Texas games more than any other, and not even most Texas fans I know liked Melton. I read about how athletic he is, and that may be true, but you sure didn't see it on the field. Was a decent run blocker, but showed so little as a pass rusher, despite playing w/ Orakpo. I realize he is raw, and the hope is Marinelli can work w/ him, but I just don't think he has the potential some believe, and do not ever see him being a pass rushing DE for us. Also felt this pick was a reach.

 

DJ Moore - I am not as high on this pick, as I just can not get past the size, but I can't attack this pick either. No question DJ was a GREAT value, and is an ultra athletic, playmaking prospect. Will that traslate to the NFL? That is what I want to know, but in the 4th, we got a late 1st/early 2nd round value, and can't argue w/ that.

 

Knox - I love this pick. We got our possession WR early, and now our downfield playmaker. I think we need to hold off on immediate expectations, as I think he will need time to develop. He dominated against lesser competition primarily w/ pure speed, but at the next level, will need far more polish (especially in route running) before he can be anything close to a consistent receiver. May not offer immediate imapct, but could develop in a very good pick in a couple years.

 

Freeman - Individually, I like Freeman. Good value pick w/ solid athleticism. The question for me is, did we draft another player who will waste behind Briggs? Freeman began college at SLB, but was moved to WLB because (a) he struggled to shed blocks ( didn't show great power on the strong side and © staff wanted to better utlize his speed. He is a very good looking WLb, but I question whether he can play SLB, and if not, I fear his potential could be wasted behind Briggs.

 

Afalava - I flat out hate this pick. We have drafted enough box safeties, and that is all alfalfa is. He is weak in coverage, and only asset is playing in the box. While I am not going to say we are lock set at SS, I just can't help but to feel we just drafted another Steltz, especially after reading Gabriel believes that while most view him as a box safety, we believe he can play FS. That just makes me sick.

 

Louis - Love the pick. Not sure if we are looking at him as a blocking TE, OG, OT or FB, but the point to me is, he is a great talent and prospect. Raw, no question. But in the 7th round, to get a player w/ so much upside is a bonus pick IMHO.

 

Kinder - Love this pick as well. Looked like a day one pick prior to the injury. Didn't look great last year, but that was w/ a new QB, new system and likely not yet fully recovered from a major injury. The bust potential is high due to the injury, yet at the same time, if he gets back to pre-injury form, we found another absolute steal here.

 

The only two picks I really dislike are Melton and Afalava. I am luke warm on DJ Moore, though most are high on him, as well as Freeman, only because I question whether he can play SLB and whether he will waste behind Briggs like Williams. Otherwise, I think we found a few steals, and future starters. I see Gilbert and Iglesias being starters sooner rather than later. I see DJ Moore taking the nickel job from DM, though I would not mind seeing him at FS. And I love the potential our other two WRs offer.

 

Overall, I think this was a great draft. I would give it a B+ grade, which jumps up to an A+++++ when Cutler is factored.

[AZ54]

I like the draft but Nfol's love affair with JA is kinda making me nauseous. Is there no shame left in the world?

 

A couple thoughts on Gilbert and Melton. I believe Marinelli had a ton of input on these picks, especially Melton. Neither guy performed consistently well enough for any of us to get real excited about them. However, they both have a ton of athleticism and that is intriguing. Read the posts in the various threads and it's clear that it's Marinelli's ability to work with these guys that is generating the excitement not the players themselves. I liken the Melton pick to the day the Colts traded way up to draft Freeney. Not saying Melton is anywhere near that level just saying that I think Marinelli really wanted this guy and JA made it happen even though we reached for him at a time we had biggers needs.

[nfoligno]

Nice bit of humor.

 

I'd be happier with Dick Jarron Gilbert if it wasn't for Dusty & Tank. Not fair to generalize, but it is what it is.

 

Ever heard of try and try again? Should we not have drafted Forte because we drafted Benson in the top 5? Hey, we drafted a 2nd and 3rd round WR, neither of which panned out for us long term. Pass on WR? I know the arguments you can make, but the point is, just because we drafted some others at the position, and yet they did not workout, doesn't mean we pass on a potential stud.

 

Does it not help that Gilbert is the one pick most around the country are giving us huge props on?

 

Julio's son seems to have a high floor and a low ceiling. That might be what the Dr. ordered with Cutler on board.

 

Most would agree w/ your floor/ceiling comment. While I would agree his ceiling is limited some, I think it is higher than most would give credit.

 

Early prediction: Melton gets placed on the IR early. I'm marking this page and I'll be happy to point it out September 1st.

 

Not a bad prediction.

 

DJ Moore was arguably the #1 CB when the college season ended . . . helluva a pick. We've got great depth at CB & no safeties. Interesting.

 

Still just can't get too excited about a CB not quite 5'9, and lets not pretend 5'9 would be some great size.

 

I predict the guy from MTV's jackass will join Melton on the IR. I know you disagree NFO. Time will tell.

 

Disagree less than you think. I said he is on the raw side, and will need time to develop. I said he could become a good WR down the road, but not to expect too much early.

 

Freeman: He could be the next Jamar Williams. Future special teams MVP.

 

Agreed.

 

Afalava: You make a good point about the safeties. Are we planning on doing something different with them? Make them interchangeable?

 

I think we want to load up on SS' and plan to send them all at the QB. Don't need to cover if the QB is on his arce.

 

Louis: Helluva a pick. Hopefully the next John Gilmore. Can we just remove the FB position from out playbook?

 

Still hope we look at him at OL and not TE, but I just like the athleticism in the 7th round. And yes, please get rid of the FB position if we are not going to upgrade it.

 

Kinder: I like his potential to be the next Mike Hass.

 

LOL.

[nfoligno]

I like the draft but Nfol's love affair with JA is kinda making me nauseous. Is there no shame left in the world?

 

Damn, a guy can't win. I am critical of Angelo, and viewed as being too mean. Now I am nice to him, make people nauseous. Would you prefer I went back on the attack? Sorry, but I just can't. I joke to some extent, but the truth is, Angelo really has gone a long way for me. Cutler was huge, but its more than that. While I am not totally sold on the specific players, he made a big push to upgrade the OL. While it didn't happen, he really went after Boldin hard, and while I believe you were against such a move, I liked it and liked that he went for it. Finally, I just loved the Iglesias pick.

 

While I am really on his wagon right now, still not blind, and just have to call him out on some of the picks. I will never be a blind supporter, if that means anything

 

A couple thoughts on Gilbert and Melton. I believe Marinelli had a ton of input on these picks, especially Melton. Neither guy performed consistently well enough for any of us to get real excited about them. However, they both have a ton of athleticism and that is intriguing. Read the posts in the various threads and it's clear that it's Marinelli's ability to work with these guys that is generating the excitement not the players themselves. I liken the Melton pick to the day the Colts traded way up to draft Freeney. Not saying Melton is anywhere near that level just saying that I think Marinelli really wanted this guy and JA made it happen even though we reached for him at a time we had biggers needs.

 

First, wasn't Gilbert very productive in college? You said neither performed consistently well, but I thought Gilbert did perfrom pretty dang well.

 

On Melton, I just can't see my way toward the Freeney comment. While I understand what you are saying, I still would say the similarities are minimal. If we drafted Michael Johnson or even Sidbury, I would better agree w/ your point. But Melton showed little to nothing in terms of pass rush at Texas. He is supposed to be so athletic, but I just didn't see it on the field. In fact, he was considered a better run defender than pass rusher.

 

I get that everyone is high on Marinelli, and thus the hope is he can develop these players. I have no issue w/ that line of thinking for Gilbert, as there just seems to be so much to work with. For Melton though, I just don't get the excitement.

['TD']

Damn, a guy can't win. I am critical of Angelo, and viewed as being too mean. Now I am nice to him, make people nauseous. Would you prefer I went back on the attack? Sorry, but I just can't. I joke to some extent, but the truth is, Angelo really has gone a long way for me. Cutler was huge, but its more than that. While I am not totally sold on the specific players, he made a big push to upgrade the OL. While it didn't happen, he really went after Boldin hard, and while I believe you were against such a move, I liked it and liked that he went for it. 22

 

Ehh.. I just wrote too long of a response and deleted it before I added it. Unfortunately this is still long.

 

I'll never be able to be on that wagon, because it's too hard for me to forget the past. Think of all the mistakes over many years.

 

I really don't feel the Bears truely pursued a number 1 WR hard this year, especially Boldin. Given that like 6 teams chose a WR in the first round, I imagine half the teams in the league offered equal to or as much as the Bears. This is a year that Coles, Howz, Holt, TO, Boldin, Burress, Edwards, and others were available. Some still are, but it hasn't happened yet. Curently the team have only like 2 WR's who have caught a pass, and have trouble catching passes.

 

I don't see the big push to upgrade the offensive line. Pace was an awesome pick up, and should be a very welcome addition to what was a pitiful line last year. However, I didn't see any new youth infused on the line. The only other additions were a guy who couldn't get on the field and a cast off from what was a bad line in Cleveland last year.

 

I'm also not a fan of bringing in 2 Free Safeties from 2 of the worst secondaries in the league and hoping that either one of them or one of the CB's will stick at the position.

 

The draft I won't hate on. Each player either has potential or was a value pick. I never expect much out of 3rd round players or less. Hopefully a few good back ups will pop up, maybe a starter, but I wouldn't bank on a superstar. It is what it is.

 

I'm not as big on the Cutler trade. I didn't see it as a Orton plus 2 firsts and a third type of need. It seemed more of a save my own behind type of move. Which I do like that mood better then JA being JA. I couldn't see the Cutler trade or Pace being brought in in past years.

 

It undoubtabley inspired hope in a QB deprived fan base and will sell jerseys. In that alone it was a smart move. Even so, Orton was fine IMO. It may even be arguable that Orton is the better fit as the team has a solid D. I'm not saying he has more talent then Cutler. I just think cutler's gunslinger mantality may inhibit the team. I think Cutler was a better fit on a team like Denver who needs to score due to a bad D.

 

I think with a line that wouldn't kill him, WR's that could catch, then the team would have had a very efficient offense. He will have all of that in Denver this year. Orton's nongunslinger mentality may kill Denver.

[Connorbear]

NFO supporting JA???? I feel like I'm watching that episode of the original Star Trek where Kirk and Spock are switched with the evil versions of themselves from a parallel universe but this time it is in reverse.

 

Peace

[Connorbear]

I like the draft but Nfol's love affair with JA is kinda making me nauseous. Is there no shame left in the world?

 

Damn, a guy can't win. I am critical of Angelo, and viewed as being too mean. Now I am nice to him, make people nauseous. Would you prefer I went back on the attack? Sorry, but I just can't. I joke to some extent, but the truth is, Angelo really has gone a long way for me. Cutler was huge, but its more than that. While I am not totally sold on the specific players, he made a big push to upgrade the OL. While it didn't happen, he really went after Boldin hard, and while I believe you were against such a move, I liked it and liked that he went for it. Finally, I just loved the Iglesias pick.

 

While I am really on his wagon right now, still not blind, and just have to call him out on some of the picks. I will never be a blind supporter, if that means anything

 

A couple thoughts on Gilbert and Melton. I believe Marinelli had a ton of input on these picks, especially Melton. Neither guy performed consistently well enough for any of us to get real excited about them. However, they both have a ton of athleticism and that is intriguing. Read the posts in the various threads and it's clear that it's Marinelli's ability to work with these guys that is generating the excitement not the players themselves. I liken the Melton pick to the day the Colts traded way up to draft Freeney. Not saying Melton is anywhere near that level just saying that I think Marinelli really wanted this guy and JA made it happen even though we reached for him at a time we had biggers needs.

 

First, wasn't Gilbert very productive in college? You said neither performed consistently well, but I thought Gilbert did perfrom pretty dang well.

 

On Melton, I just can't see my way toward the Freeney comment. While I understand what you are saying, I still would say the similarities are minimal. If we drafted Michael Johnson or even Sidbury, I would better agree w/ your point. But Melton showed little to nothing in terms of pass rush at Texas. He is supposed to be so athletic, but I just didn't see it on the field. In fact, he was considered a better run defender than pass rusher.

 

I get that everyone is high on Marinelli, and thus the hope is he can develop these players. I have no issue w/ that line of thinking for Gilbert, as there just seems to be so much to work with. For Melton though, I just don't get the excitement.

Agree with you 100% here. Love the Iglesias pick. He is Engram with speed and size. Melton is the one pick I do not like. At least, however, we have a position coach who should be able to develop him if something is there.

 

Peace

[Stinger226]

I like the draft but Nfol's love affair with JA is kinda making me nauseous. Is there no shame left in the world?

 

A couple thoughts on Gilbert and Melton. I believe Marinelli had a ton of input on these picks, especially Melton. Neither guy performed consistently well enough for any of us to get real excited about them. However, they both have a ton of athleticism and that is intriguing. Read the posts in the various threads and it's clear that it's Marinelli's ability to work with these guys that is generating the excitement not the players themselves. I liken the Melton pick to the day the Colts traded way up to draft Freeney. Not saying Melton is anywhere near that level just saying that I think Marinelli really wanted this guy and JA made it happen even though we reached for him at a time we had biggers needs.

Melton is just an upside guy, but beg to differ on producton for Gilbert. 47 Ts, 22 TFL, 9.5 Sacks, 3 PKnockdowns, doesnt sound like a bad year for a DT. The top DT in the draft had 14TFL, 7.5 sacks, 5 knockdowns.

[Stinger226]

Melton is just an upside guy, but beg to differ on producton for Gilbert. 47 Ts, 22 TFL, 9.5 Sacks, 3 PKnockdowns, doesnt sound like a bad year for a DT. The top DT in the draft had 14TFL, 7.5 sacks, 5 knockdowns.

We dont know how these players will turn out, but what I did like.

 

We draft the DL, where we definitly need more of a pass rush and addressed that.

 

We added WRs and definintly needed an upgrade there.

 

We added a solid LB, hopefully that means we can improve our SLB position by him or moving people around.

 

We added a very good CB which means, maybe that looses up a player to slide into the FS spot we didnt address in a weak FS class.

 

Maybe a new FB which would please me alot.

 

A blocking TE is a small move but might help alot at the goaline.

 

I think we also may have a goalline RB in Melton to punch it in at the goaline of which we couldnt do last year.

 

We vastly improved our OL threw FAgency, and would have like to had a developmental OT, but you cant fill all your needs in one offseason.

 

And finally added a QB which will evevate the play of all phases of the team.

[nfoligno]

Ehh.. I just wrote too long of a response and deleted it before I added it. Unfortunately this is still long.

 

I'll never be able to be on that wagon, because it's too hard for me to forget the past. Think of all the mistakes over many years.

 

Hey, its not like this has been easy for me. Few have been as critical of Angelo more than I. But I have always said, when he does right, I'll give him full credit for it. I really think it hard to attack him for this past offseason.

 

I really don't feel the Bears truely pursued a number 1 WR hard this year, especially Boldin. Given that like 6 teams chose a WR in the first round, I imagine half the teams in the league offered equal to or as much as the Bears. This is a year that Coles, Howz, Holt, TO, Boldin, Burress, Edwards, and others were available. Some still are, but it hasn't happened yet. Curently the team have only like 2 WR's who have caught a pass, and have trouble catching passes.

 

First, on Boldin. If you believe the draft day reports, no team went after Boldin more than us. At the end of the day, Az simply wanted more than we, or ANY TEAM was willing to give.

 

Second, I too wanted a stud WR. At the same time, I can't say I wanted all the WRs on your list. Coles? No thanks. TJ? Yes, I wanted him, but understood not giving him the elite WR money. TO/Burruss. Hell no. Edwards. Heck, he is still available, and after Cle drafted all the WRs, may take less. But for both Edwards and Boldin, that no one has traded for either should say something.

 

I don't see the big push to upgrade the offensive line. Pace was an awesome pick up, and should be a very welcome addition to what was a pitiful line last year. However, I didn't see any new youth infused on the line. The only other additions were a guy who couldn't get on the field and a cast off from what was a bad line in Cleveland last year.

 

You don't see the big push to upgrade the OL? Are you sure you don't simply disagree w/ the manner in which we are trying to upgrade the OL? We added 3 players, inlcuding one future HOF. Also, while not draft picks of ours, the other two offer still young player w/ potential further in development than a rookie we could have brought in. Then you add in getting our top 15 pick from last year, and I think it hard to argue (a) we didn't make a big push to upgrade the OL or ( we have not in fact upgraded the OL.

 

I wanted to draft OL also, especially as Duke and Merideth continued to fall. But while I wanted to draft OL, I can not take away from what was done prior to the draft. Angelo did in fact make a big push to upgrade the OL. I think you disagree w/ the route taken to accomplish this more than disagreeing a route was taken at all.

 

I'm also not a fan of bringing in 2 Free Safeties from 2 of the worst secondaries in the league and hoping that either one of them or one of the CB's will stick at the position.

 

While i agree, lets not pretend this was a good position in either FA or the draft. We got a couple players in FA as a safety net in case we came out of the draft w/o a FS. Personally, this is one area I would agree Angelo has failed, and have said as much. At the same time, is there ever a year a GM can "fix" every position and you can head into the next season w/o a single position of concern?

 

The draft I won't hate on. Each player either has potential or was a value pick. I never expect much out of 3rd round players or less. Hopefully a few good back ups will pop up, maybe a starter, but I wouldn't bank on a superstar. It is what it is.

 

"it is what it is" What is that? Honestly do not know what you mean. No 1st or 2nd round picks, and thus we should not expect a star, and only slightly hope for a starter? Or is it more about Angelo than the round? Honestly do not know what you mean.

 

I think Gilbert has upper tier potential. Iglesias, a better than solid starter. DJ Moore a nickel and Knox is solid contributor (in a couple years) at WR. Rest are special teams and depth. But if that happened, that would work for me.

 

I'm not as big on the Cutler trade. I didn't see it as a Orton plus 2 firsts and a third type of need. It seemed more of a save my own behind type of move. Which I do like that mood better then JA being JA. I couldn't see the Cutler trade or Pace being brought in in past years.

 

Getting a franchise QB was not a Orton plus 2 first need? If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? NOT meant to insult. Just asking because I talk to a lot of old guys, and ask them, "have you ever seen a franchise QB don a bears jersey" Some say Billy Wade, but Wade only had about 4 seasons w/ the bears. A couple might try to mention McMahon, but frankly, that is a joke. I love Mac, but he was no franchise QB. Seriously, you have to go back to Sid F'ing Luckman to find a franchise QB, and he ended his career in the 40s.

 

We are a charter franchise, and have not had a franchise QB in 60 years. And you don't think that is worth Orton and two 1sts?

 

It undoubtabley inspired hope in a QB deprived fan base and will sell jerseys. In that alone it was a smart move. Even so, Orton was fine IMO. It may even be arguable that Orton is the better fit as the team has a solid D. I'm not saying he has more talent then Cutler. I just think cutler's gunslinger mantality may inhibit the team. I think Cutler was a better fit on a team like Denver who needs to score due to a bad D.

 

Hey, I was in the minority who always supported Orton. While an Angelo basher, I actually applauded Angelo for drafting Orton in the 4th. I thought Orton could be a pretty dang good NFL QB. Struggled year one, but never understood why fans expected him to look good as a rookie. So few do. Anyway, I like him, but simply put, Orton is a nice QB. Surround him w/ talent, and he can look good. We have had plenty of Orton's on the roster over the years. In Cutler, we got something rarely seen. In Cutler, we got a player who simply makes those around him better. He didn't have to be surrounded by pro bowl WRs to make the offense go.

 

I also disagree w/ your comments on system fit. Who will be running our defense this year? Lovie. When was the last time he ran the defense? St.L. What sort of offense did St.L have? Greatest show on turf.

 

You argue that our defense doesn't need a high octane offense. I would argue that our defense has been held back by the low scoring offenses we have always put out there. Our scheme is simply not one that tries to punch the team in the mouth at the LOS and prevent them from moving the ball at all. Our defense is one that loves to take changes and risks, and go for big plays. Look at Lovie's defenses in St.L. They were not elite in terms of scoring, but due to their aggressive nature, were among the league leaders in turnovers, sacks, pressures, etc. When you have an offense able to put points on the board, that is when his defense can take off. When his defense has to win low scoring games, frankly, they are not at their best. So I would argue a QB like Cutler is far more a fit for us, w/ our defense, than a more conservative QB like Orton.

 

I think with a line that wouldn't kill him, WR's that could catch, then the team would have had a very efficient offense. He will have all of that in Denver this year. Orton's nongunslinger mentality may kill Denver.

 

But that is the point. W/ Orton, you need to surround him w/ great talent, because while a nice QB, he simply is not good enough to make those around him significantly better. Cutler is a QB who can take a rookie WR (Royal) and make him look great immediately. Cutler is a QB who can make OLs look better due to his ability to move and throw on the run. Cutler is a QB who, due to his ability to throw downfield, opens up the running lanes, and thus a big part of why Denver seemed to get production out of whatever RB they threw out there.

 

For many player, they are nice player who can look good when surrounded by talent. That is Orton. But then there are those other player who simply make average players look good and good player look great. That's Cutler.

[nfoligno]

I'll say this. I would actually like the Melton pick more if we moved him back to RB. I just do not think his athleticism translates to the field at DE, but I always loved watching him play RB.

 

We dont know how these players will turn out, but what I did like.

 

We draft the DL, where we definitly need more of a pass rush and addressed that.

 

We added WRs and definintly needed an upgrade there.

 

We added a solid LB, hopefully that means we can improve our SLB position by him or moving people around.

 

We added a very good CB which means, maybe that looses up a player to slide into the FS spot we didnt address in a weak FS class.

 

Maybe a new FB which would please me alot.

 

A blocking TE is a small move but might help alot at the goaline.

 

I think we also may have a goalline RB in Melton to punch it in at the goaline of which we couldnt do last year.

 

We vastly improved our OL threw FAgency, and would have like to had a developmental OT, but you cant fill all your needs in one offseason.

 

And finally added a QB which will evevate the play of all phases of the team.

[AZ54]

I like the draft but Nfol's love affair with JA is kinda making me nauseous. Is there no shame left in the world?

 

Damn, a guy can't win. I am critical of Angelo, and viewed as being too mean. Now I am nice to him, make people nauseous. Would you prefer I went back on the attack? Sorry, but I just can't. I joke to some extent, but the truth is, Angelo really has gone a long way for me. Cutler was huge, but its more than that. While I am not totally sold on the specific players, he made a big push to upgrade the OL. While it didn't happen, he really went after Boldin hard, and while I believe you were against such a move, I liked it and liked that he went for it. Finally, I just loved the Iglesias pick.

 

While I am really on his wagon right now, still not blind, and just have to call him out on some of the picks. I will never be a blind supporter, if that means anything

 

A couple thoughts on Gilbert and Melton. I believe Marinelli had a ton of input on these picks, especially Melton. Neither guy performed consistently well enough for any of us to get real excited about them. However, they both have a ton of athleticism and that is intriguing. Read the posts in the various threads and it's clear that it's Marinelli's ability to work with these guys that is generating the excitement not the players themselves. I liken the Melton pick to the day the Colts traded way up to draft Freeney. Not saying Melton is anywhere near that level just saying that I think Marinelli really wanted this guy and JA made it happen even though we reached for him at a time we had biggers needs.

 

First, wasn't Gilbert very productive in college? You said neither performed consistently well, but I thought Gilbert did perfrom pretty dang well.

 

On Melton, I just can't see my way toward the Freeney comment. While I understand what you are saying, I still would say the similarities are minimal. If we drafted Michael Johnson or even Sidbury, I would better agree w/ your point. But Melton showed little to nothing in terms of pass rush at Texas. He is supposed to be so athletic, but I just didn't see it on the field. In fact, he was considered a better run defender than pass rusher.

 

I get that everyone is high on Marinelli, and thus the hope is he can develop these players. I have no issue w/ that line of thinking for Gilbert, as there just seems to be so much to work with. For Melton though, I just don't get the excitement.

 

 

On Melton all I'm saying is we grabbed him in the 4th which was higher than where he should have gone just because we felt he was the right player for our scheme. Disregard any comparison to Freeney at all, that was just one situation I though of where a team simply drafted their guy earlier than expected. I guess if I used the Raiders and Mitchell FS scenario it would have been a better comparison. Freeney situation came to mind just because he's a DE.

 

With regards to your relationship with JA, I think now that you've committed to him for this season you'll be hearing about this from all sides until the next offseason. I'll at least grant you that it must one of those love - hate relationships.

[AZ54]

Melton is just an upside guy, but beg to differ on producton for Gilbert. 47 Ts, 22 TFL, 9.5 Sacks, 3 PKnockdowns, doesnt sound like a bad year for a DT. The top DT in the draft had 14TFL, 7.5 sacks, 5 knockdowns.

 

I based the inconsistent comments on the draft profiles I read. His first few seasons he showed raw talent but it didn't translate to the field. Last season he worked hard and it paid off. Today even Dick Tomey came out and said he wasn't on anyone's radar until this season. So I said he was inconsistent during his college years. If Jarron Gilbert had played better his junior season he wouldn't have been there in Rd 3 for us.

[azbearsfan]

I based the inconsistent comments on the draft profiles I read. His first few seasons he showed raw talent but it didn't translate to the field. Last season he worked hard and it paid off. Today even Dick Tomey came out and said he wasn't on anyone's radar until this season. So I said he was inconsistent during his college years. If Jarron Gilbert had played better his junior season he wouldn't have been there in Rd 3 for us.

 

 

Take into consideration that he arrived as a walk on OT and Tomey saw the athleticism and switched him to DT/DE. So there was a learning curve involved.

[Stinger226]

Ehh.. I just wrote too long of a response and deleted it before I added it. Unfortunately this is still long.

 

I'll never be able to be on that wagon, because it's too hard for me to forget the past. Think of all the mistakes over many years.

 

Hey, its not like this has been easy for me. Few have been as critical of Angelo more than I. But I have always said, when he does right, I'll give him full credit for it. I really think it hard to attack him for this past offseason.

 

I really don't feel the Bears truely pursued a number 1 WR hard this year, especially Boldin. Given that like 6 teams chose a WR in the first round, I imagine half the teams in the league offered equal to or as much as the Bears. This is a year that Coles, Howz, Holt, TO, Boldin, Burress, Edwards, and others were available. Some still are, but it hasn't happened yet. Curently the team have only like 2 WR's who have caught a pass, and have trouble catching passes.

 

First, on Boldin. If you believe the draft day reports, no team went after Boldin more than us. At the end of the day, Az simply wanted more than we, or ANY TEAM was willing to give.

 

Second, I too wanted a stud WR. At the same time, I can't say I wanted all the WRs on your list. Coles? No thanks. TJ? Yes, I wanted him, but understood not giving him the elite WR money. TO/Burruss. Hell no. Edwards. Heck, he is still available, and after Cle drafted all the WRs, may take less. But for both Edwards and Boldin, that no one has traded for either should say something.

 

I don't see the big push to upgrade the offensive line. Pace was an awesome pick up, and should be a very welcome addition to what was a pitiful line last year. However, I didn't see any new youth infused on the line. The only other additions were a guy who couldn't get on the field and a cast off from what was a bad line in Cleveland last year.

 

You don't see the big push to upgrade the OL? Are you sure you don't simply disagree w/ the manner in which we are trying to upgrade the OL? We added 3 players, inlcuding one future HOF. Also, while not draft picks of ours, the other two offer still young player w/ potential further in development than a rookie we could have brought in. Then you add in getting our top 15 pick from last year, and I think it hard to argue (a) we didn't make a big push to upgrade the OL or ( we have not in fact upgraded the OL.

 

I wanted to draft OL also, especially as Duke and Merideth continued to fall. But while I wanted to draft OL, I can not take away from what was done prior to the draft. Angelo did in fact make a big push to upgrade the OL. I think you disagree w/ the route taken to accomplish this more than disagreeing a route was taken at all.

 

I'm also not a fan of bringing in 2 Free Safeties from 2 of the worst secondaries in the league and hoping that either one of them or one of the CB's will stick at the position.

 

While i agree, lets not pretend this was a good position in either FA or the draft. We got a couple players in FA as a safety net in case we came out of the draft w/o a FS. Personally, this is one area I would agree Angelo has failed, and have said as much. At the same time, is there ever a year a GM can "fix" every position and you can head into the next season w/o a single position of concern?

 

The draft I won't hate on. Each player either has potential or was a value pick. I never expect much out of 3rd round players or less. Hopefully a few good back ups will pop up, maybe a starter, but I wouldn't bank on a superstar. It is what it is.

 

"it is what it is" What is that? Honestly do not know what you mean. No 1st or 2nd round picks, and thus we should not expect a star, and only slightly hope for a starter? Or is it more about Angelo than the round? Honestly do not know what you mean.

 

I think Gilbert has upper tier potential. Iglesias, a better than solid starter. DJ Moore a nickel and Knox is solid contributor (in a couple years) at WR. Rest are special teams and depth. But if that happened, that would work for me.

 

I'm not as big on the Cutler trade. I didn't see it as a Orton plus 2 firsts and a third type of need. It seemed more of a save my own behind type of move. Which I do like that mood better then JA being JA. I couldn't see the Cutler trade or Pace being brought in in past years.

 

Getting a franchise QB was not a Orton plus 2 first need? If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? NOT meant to insult. Just asking because I talk to a lot of old guys, and ask them, "have you ever seen a franchise QB don a bears jersey" Some say Billy Wade, but Wade only had about 4 seasons w/ the bears. A couple might try to mention McMahon, but frankly, that is a joke. I love Mac, but he was no franchise QB. Seriously, you have to go back to Sid F'ing Luckman to find a franchise QB, and he ended his career in the 40s.

 

We are a charter franchise, and have not had a franchise QB in 60 years. And you don't think that is worth Orton and two 1sts?

 

It undoubtabley inspired hope in a QB deprived fan base and will sell jerseys. In that alone it was a smart move. Even so, Orton was fine IMO. It may even be arguable that Orton is the better fit as the team has a solid D. I'm not saying he has more talent then Cutler. I just think cutler's gunslinger mantality may inhibit the team. I think Cutler was a better fit on a team like Denver who needs to score due to a bad D.

 

Hey, I was in the minority who always supported Orton. While an Angelo basher, I actually applauded Angelo for drafting Orton in the 4th. I thought Orton could be a pretty dang good NFL QB. Struggled year one, but never understood why fans expected him to look good as a rookie. So few do. Anyway, I like him, but simply put, Orton is a nice QB. Surround him w/ talent, and he can look good. We have had plenty of Orton's on the roster over the years. In Cutler, we got something rarely seen. In Cutler, we got a player who simply makes those around him better. He didn't have to be surrounded by pro bowl WRs to make the offense go.

 

I also disagree w/ your comments on system fit. Who will be running our defense this year? Lovie. When was the last time he ran the defense? St.L. What sort of offense did St.L have? Greatest show on turf.

 

You argue that our defense doesn't need a high octane offense. I would argue that our defense has been held back by the low scoring offenses we have always put out there. Our scheme is simply not one that tries to punch the team in the mouth at the LOS and prevent them from moving the ball at all. Our defense is one that loves to take changes and risks, and go for big plays. Look at Lovie's defenses in St.L. They were not elite in terms of scoring, but due to their aggressive nature, were among the league leaders in turnovers, sacks, pressures, etc. When you have an offense able to put points on the board, that is when his defense can take off. When his defense has to win low scoring games, frankly, they are not at their best. So I would argue a QB like Cutler is far more a fit for us, w/ our defense, than a more conservative QB like Orton.

 

I think with a line that wouldn't kill him, WR's that could catch, then the team would have had a very efficient offense. He will have all of that in Denver this year. Orton's nongunslinger mentality may kill Denver.

 

But that is the point. W/ Orton, you need to surround him w/ great talent, because while a nice QB, he simply is not good enough to make those around him significantly better. Cutler is a QB who can take a rookie WR (Royal) and make him look great immediately. Cutler is a QB who can make OLs look better due to his ability to move and throw on the run. Cutler is a QB who, due to his ability to throw downfield, opens up the running lanes, and thus a big part of why Denver seemed to get production out of whatever RB they threw out there.

 

For many player, they are nice player who can look good when surrounded by talent. That is Orton. But then there are those other player who simply make average players look good and good player look great. That's Cutler.

Couldnt have stated any better that you did.

['TD']

 

Hey, its not like this has been easy for me. Few have been as critical of Angelo more than I.

But I have always said, when he does right, I'll give him full credit for it. I really think it hard to attack him for this past offseason.

 

That's why I wrote, to argue with you some. I always liked your posts, but now that you are in the love JA crowd, I figured why not. I haven't been posting for a while, and we always tended to take similar views.

 

First, on Boldin. If you believe the draft day reports, no team went after Boldin more than us. At the end of the day, Az simply wanted more than we, or ANY TEAM was willing to give.

 

I may have not read what you read. I just read he only offered a second, which really isn't near Boldin's value in my opinion. Which if that is true, I can't see how it was pursuing him really hard. Calling and saying hey, i got a second rounder, good enough? no? ok talk to you later isn't really pursuing hard.

 

Second, I too wanted a stud WR. At the same time, I can't say I wanted all the WRs on your list. Coles? No thanks. TJ? Yes, I wanted him, but understood not giving him the elite WR money. TO/Burruss. Hell no. Edwards. Heck, he is still available, and after Cle drafted all the WRs, may take less. But for both Edwards and Boldin, that no one has traded for either should say something.

 

My main point was more of a look what was available thing. Coles was actually on the top of my list coming into the offseason. I had a feeling the team wouldn't pay for TJ, who I REALLY wanted signed, so Coles sounded like a realistic hope. I agree on TO because of age, not attitude and disagree on Burress.

 

 

You don't see the big push to upgrade the OL? Are you sure you don't simply disagree w/ the manner in which we are trying to upgrade the OL? We added 3 players, inlcuding one future HOF.

 

No, I really don't see it as a big push honestly. I gave that getting Pace was huge. I just disagree with there being a big push. I hope for good things out of the moves. I want to see the guys turn out. I just don't have as much faith in Omayale's talent or Shefflar being an upgrade over St. Clair who I wasn't big on. I think you yourself had argued that Williams shouldn't be moved to RT because his skills translate better to LT. Either way, his being healthy this year wasn't an offseason move to qualify for a push this year, as he was brought in last.

 

 

While i agree, lets not pretend this was a good position in either FA or the draft. We got a couple players in FA as a safety net in case we came out of the draft w/o a FS.

 

I'm not saying a GM can fix everything in an offseason. I'm just saying when your team has 3 basic holes going into the offseason, WR, OL, and FS, that is a position to be addressed. It was ignored in the draft, depending on your faith in alfala, however his name is spelt.

 

 

 

"it is what it is" What is that? Honestly do not know what you mean. No 1st or 2nd round picks, and thus we should not expect a star, and only slightly hope for a starter? Or is it more about Angelo than the round?

 

It wasn't a slight on JA. It was saying that with picks in the third round, you really can't be expecting the star that you would from a first or second rounder. I'm not saying none of the guys will turn out. I'm simply stating that while I like the players, I'm not getting my hopes up for a Lance Briggs. While it turns out for some teams, most teams don't have a Lance Briggs quality player emerge from later picks. An example to me would be Garrett Wolfe. I don't think anyone expected him to start for the Bears. He was drafted in the third to fill a role.

 

 

Getting a franchise QB was not a Orton plus 2 first need? If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? NOT meant to insult. Just asking because I talk to a lot of old guys, and ask them, "have you ever seen a franchise QB don a bears jersey" Some say Billy Wade, but Wade only had about 4 seasons w/ the bears. A couple might try to mention McMahon, but frankly, that is a joke. I love Mac, but he was no franchise QB. Seriously, you have to go back to Sid F'ing Luckman to find a franchise QB, and he ended his career in the 40s.

 

We are a charter franchise, and have not had a franchise QB in 60 years. And you don't think that is worth Orton and two 1sts?

 

Honestly, I'm not mad about the trade. I'm just not sure that it was worth it. I feel Orton may have developed into the franchise QB for the Bears. I don't think he necessarily needed to be surrounded by talent, just not talent has to be there.

 

***WARNING: I'm not comparing Kyle Orton to Tom Brady***

 

2 years ago Brady had a good line and no receivers. He then got Moss and Welker the year after and their offense exploded. While I'm not saying this team needs Moss and Welker, I'm saying the talent does make a huge difference. The Bears line was atrocious last year, as shown in the fact the Bears will likely be starting 4 new WR's. Only 2 WR's were saved from last year, both of which had problems catching the ball. To me, Orton preformed exceptionally well considering the conditions.

 

I'm 30 years old, and have been a Bears fan for as long as I can remember. Every year, until this year, I wanted to see a QB signed or drafted. I got mad when the team wouldn't bring in Brees for a look, when they signed Kordell, when it was Grossman take 10. I know how I've felt about the position and can imagine how others that have been fans longer felt.

 

I just finally thought I saw someone turning out for the team, and for once QB was not a need. Is Cutler an upgrade at this point in their careers? Of course, if you don't mind the turn overs. Could Orton with some talent lead a productive career in Chicago, yea I think so. In that I don't think it was as much of a need, as a luxury. I think the move was mainly made to save JA's job.

[lemonej]

I wanna see how Melton's career goes versus Mr. Versatile Conner Barwin who is also a guy who has limited experience at his drafted position. I think these are similar players who's careers have followed similar paths.

 

The other thing I want to say is that quite a few on the Bears coaching staff are on notice in mye eyes.

 

Turner just be cause of the arrival of Cutler

Drake because he really hasn't developed any WR in his tenure and now has 3 more prospects under his tutelage

Marinelli because every one is expecting him to be the D-line Messiah

Lovie who is taking over calling plays this year should have the bullseye on all year.

[madlithuanian]

I agree.

 

I think Santa brought the kids a lot of new toys, and if they can't have fun with them, Santa will bring in some new kids to play with 'em. Or at least, I hope so.

 

The other thing I want to say is that quite a few on the Bears coaching staff are on notice in mye eyes.

 

Turner just be cause of the arrival of Cutler

Drake because he really hasn't developed any WR in his tenure and now has 3 more prospects under his tutelage

Marinelli because every one is expecting him to be the D-line Messiah

Lovie who is taking over calling plays this year should have the bullseye on all year.

[lemonej]

I agree.

 

I think Santa brought the kids a lot of new toys, and if they can't have fun with them, Santa will bring in some new kids to play with 'em. Or at least, I hope so.

Mad L thats what I'm saying.I think its put up shut up for the whole bunch. If I had to make a judgement on one in particular its Drake the WR coach who I think is stealing. I look at his prized pupil Roy Williams and see his development in the NFL and understand why the Bears are having trouble developing WRs. I also point to Turner also who had trouble earlier when he was here with Wannie. Marcus Robinson was not developed under Turner and he turned out to be a game breaker.

[madlithuanian]

I think we're basically on the same page!

 

Mad L thats what I'm saying.I think its put up shut up for the whole bunch. If I had to make a judgement on one in particular its Drake the WR coach who I think is stealing. I look at his prized pupil Roy Williams and see his development in the NFL and understand why the Bears are having trouble developing WRs. I also point to Turner also who had trouble earlier when he was here with Wannie. Marcus Robinson was not developed under Turner and he turned out to be a game breaker.

[bradjock]

Ever heard of try and try again? Should we not have drafted Forte because we drafted Benson in the top 5? Hey, we drafted a 2nd and 3rd round WR, neither of which panned out for us long term. Pass on WR? I know the arguments you can make, but the point is, just because we drafted some others at the position, and yet they did not workout, doesn't mean we pass on a potential stud.

 

What you're saying makes sense, but since we drafted Tommie we've swung & missed on d-lineman more often then not. All this will be a make or break year for several of them.

 

Does it not help that Gilbert is the one pick most around the country are giving us huge props on?

 

Why does that scare me? In 2006 EVERY expert ripped JA a new asshole, and that year Hester, D Manning, Williams, and Anderson were all significant contributors on the Super Bowl Team.

 

Most would agree w/ your floor/ceiling comment. While I would agree his ceiling is limited some, I think it is higher than most would give credit.

 

I'm hoping with the addition of Cutler we'll be saying, "We ain't in Kansas anymore."

 

Not a bad prediction.

 

On IR'ing Melton, didn't you say in another thread that we don't use the IR to "hide" players?

 

Still just can't get too excited about a CB not quite 5'9, and lets not pretend 5'9 would be some great size.

 

Don't care. Moore gets results. He'll be solid at worst.

 

I think we want to load up on SS' and plan to send them all at the QB. Don't need to cover if the QB is on his arce.

 

Lovie always talks about having interchangeable safeties, yet we always have a guy like D Manning dropping back in coverage every play and eventually getting burnt.

They might as well take turns getting burnt. Mix it up damnit.

 

Still hope we look at him at OL and not TE, but I just like the athleticism in the 7th round. And yes, please get rid of the FB position if we are not going to upgrade it.

 

As for Louis, assuming we keep Buenning, we have 8 pretty good o-lineman with a lot of versatility. IMO he has a snowball's chance in hell as making it as a lineman. But as a blocking TE . . .

[BearSox]

I don't really disagree with you much. This has been a hell of an offseason for us. If we don't make the playoffs this year, I'd be willing to bet we'll be looking for a new coach next year. Jerry Angelo has done his work this offseason, it's time for Lovie to produce.

[nfoligno]

First, on Melton, I just do not understand why everything thinks of him, and compares him to, pass rushers.

 

If anyone wants a player to compare or think about, how about Alex Brown. Did you know the two are identical in size? Both were considered elite in terms of athletic talent leading up to the draft. Brown fell due, in large part, to questions of desire and committment, not to mention attitude. Melton fell due to being raw and a lack of production. But in terms of style, I personally see similarities.

 

For all the perception, Brown really isn't much in tems of pass rush. He has a couple good games a year where he ups his sack totals, but those players are not the standard. Brown is actually, despite his size, a pretty dang good run defender. His athleticism does not seem to translate to the pass rush, but he does use his athleticism well to stop the run. I would say that is similar to Melton, who was actually pretty decent against the run (Texas as a whole was very good against the run) but against the pass, he was dang near absent. He has a solid lower base and power in his lower body, which helps in levelege and run defense, but the athleticism simply does not translate to pass rush.

 

If Melton developed in Alex Brown, I think everyone here would be happy. I personally don't think that will happen, but just saying. My thing is, I just don't understand why everything thinks of him as a pass rusher. Michael Johnson was considered a raw talent, but when on the field, the one area he looked great was rushing the passer. Melton? He just never looked good rushing the passer.

 

Agreed many on the staff should be on notice.

 

IMHO, Drake should already be gone, but agreed that w/ 3 rookie WRs, as well as still young and developing WRs in Hester and Bennett, Drake has a lot of colors to work w/, but needs to prove he can paint the picture, rather than continue w/ the finger paint job he has been doing.

 

Lets see. Turner now has a franchise QB, much improved OL, upper tier RB, loads of young talent at WR, and an upper tier TE duo. I am not going to say he has to get our offense into the top 10 instantly, as it may take some time w/ so many new pieces, but our offense needs to be pretty damn good, or we need to find an OC who can make the offense look good.

 

Marinelli - Not sure he is as on the spotlight. But agree Lovie sure is.