Bears4Ever_34 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/12/michael-vick...l-bearing-down/ What does this mean?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Depends on what Vick wants to do with the rest of his career. If he wants to come back as a QB, there's no room for him here. However, if he wants to come back as a WR.. or a CB... or and Safety... or even a RB/PR/KR... then maybe we have a spot for him. With that being said, it's probably a flight transfer or maybe he is meeting a team here as to not raise the attention of another teams local media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 He's coming into the NFL as a QB but not as a starter. We could easily make room for him here as a backup. Cut Basanez, move Haine to 3rd string and sign Vick to a 1-2 year deal as a Wildcat player. Then when his time is up he'll move on to try and prove he's starter worthy. Not saying it's going to happen but if we do get Vick, I fully expect him to be the backup QB, mainly used in the Wildcat offense 3 or 4 times a game along with other trick plays we might use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 He's coming into the NFL as a QB but not as a starter. We could easily make room for him here as a backup. Cut Basanez, move Haine to 3rd string and sign Vick to a 1-2 year deal as a Wildcat player. Then when his time is up he'll move on to try and prove he's starter worthy. If I'm Vick, I want a place where I can compete to start. Just sayin. Just to fan the flames a little, Tony Dungy (Vick's NFL reinstatement "mentor") and Lovie get alone reallll nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 If I'm Vick, I want a place where I can compete to start. Just sayin. Just to fan the flames a little, Tony Dungy (Vick's NFL reinstatement "mentor") and Lovie get alone reallll nice. I think Carolina is a perfect fit for him. Delhomme is an average at best QB. He could come in and compete in year 2 with the team and get back to being a starter in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I got this email from a friend of mine last night. ------------------------- I just read the post below from a poster on the board I get my news from. I think it's legit (that he heard this), whether or not it actually happens is another story. Thoughts? The story: I just heard it on NFL Siruis Radio, they were talking with a reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and they said the Packers are very interested [in Vick] as well are the Bears. The reporter went on to say how the Bears failed to land Andrew Walter who the Raiders cut loose, and Tony Dungy reached out to Lovie Smith when he heard of this news. He went on to say that Tony and Lovie went on to a 45 minute confrence call about Vick and how the Bears would benefit him as a back up. On the Packers side of things they were told 4 other teams were also interested in Vicks services, and they announed one of them was from the NFC North to try and get their side of the deal higher if they really want Vick. So the word is two of the five teams is Green Bay and Chicago, but with the relationship Loive and Tony have chances are good Vick is a Chicago Bear by the end of the week. http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/12/michael-vick...l-bearing-down/ What does this mean?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I got this email from a friend of mine last night. ------------------------- I just read the post below from a poster on the board I get my news from. I think it's legit (that he heard this), whether or not it actually happens is another story. Thoughts? The story: I just heard it on NFL Siruis Radio, they were talking with a reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and they said the Packers are very interested [in Vick] as well are the Bears. The reporter went on to say how the Bears failed to land Andrew Walter who the Raiders cut loose, and Tony Dungy reached out to Lovie Smith when he heard of this news. He went on to say that Tony and Lovie went on to a 45 minute confrence call about Vick and how the Bears would benefit him as a back up. On the Packers side of things they were told 4 other teams were also interested in Vicks services, and they announed one of them was from the NFC North to try and get their side of the deal higher if they really want Vick. So the word is two of the five teams is Green Bay and Chicago, but with the relationship Loive and Tony have chances are good Vick is a Chicago Bear by the end of the week. I hate "I heard form 'a' who heard from 'b' who heard from 'c'" type reporting. So, I'd be curious to see if someone can find a source on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 David Haugh "Vick at OHare juicy twist, but, no, there is no chance he becomes a Bear....none" Zach Zaidman "Bears say Michael Vick's visit to Chicago has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise" ahhhh man... hope they're wrong haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 David Haugh "Vick at OHare juicy twist, but, no, there is no chance he becomes a Bear....none" Zach Zaidman "Bears say Michael Vick's visit to Chicago has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise" ahhhh man... hope they're wrong haha Ok course the Bears would deny it. I bet most teams will deny... until he signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 For the record, this would make me absolutely sick. One. Everyone has their own set of opinions and values, but in my house, what Vick did is about as disgusting as anything I have heard from a NFL player. Key phrase by the way was "about as". Many player do bad things, but most often, they are not so premeditated. The manner in which Vick was killing the dogs simply goes beyong rationale for me. On this point, many can argue, but it will be to no avail for me. Vick showed a purely evil side, and I simply do not want him on my team. Two. Lets be honest. He was never that great of a QB. He is one hell of a runner, and in a FF league, he is a good QB to have as QBs who can rack up rushing yards have huge point potential. But his accuracy and actually ball throwing skills were simply never that great. Further still, he is a QB who takes off running at the first sign of pressure. I would much prefer to have a QB who can side step that pressure, while continuing to look downfield. You know. Like what you expect from a QB. Three. Vick is about as bad of a fit IMHO for our system as you will find. Whatever version you want to call it, we run a form of the WCO. We need accuracy far more than running ability from our QB, and that is simply not Vick's strength. If Cutler were to go down, we would have to either (a) totally change our system to accomodate the backup QB or ( force the backup to work within the same system. Either way, I think it would spell disaster. Four. I can not recall the last offseason that generated as much positive PR for the Bears. About the only knock on this team entering the season has been about the WRs, which are looking pretty damn good in camp so far. Take a look at the interviews even the national press has had w/ our players. Even those questions have a positive spin on them. If we add Vick, I think we will have done major harm to that good vibe we have going. No, that doesn't mean the seats won't get filled. But what it does mean is, now every question out of a reporters mouth will be about Vick. Cutler and Co are no longer the story. Our backup QB is. We will have a Terrell Owens like media circus, but w/o any return. At least w/ Owens you got production. W/ Vick, you get the media circus, but nothing else. Here in Dallas, it seems like everyday players talk in camp about how nice it is not to have 1,000 questions a day about TO. How do you think our players are going to feel about every question being about Vick? Five. I just have a hard time seeing our ownership going for this, nor Angelo. Lovie is BFF w/ Dungy, and the two may be supportive of Vick. At the same time, that doesn't mean Angelo and Virginia will sign off on such a move. I realize there is a ton of hate for Mikey, but the McCaskey family very much does consider image. Sure, we may take a risk here or there, but IMHO, adding a player like Vick goes beyond anything we have done or talked about. I can't see our ownership or management going for such a move. I got this email from a friend of mine last night. ------------------------- I just read the post below from a poster on the board I get my news from. I think it's legit (that he heard this), whether or not it actually happens is another story. Thoughts? The story: I just heard it on NFL Siruis Radio, they were talking with a reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and they said the Packers are very interested [in Vick] as well are the Bears. The reporter went on to say how the Bears failed to land Andrew Walter who the Raiders cut loose, and Tony Dungy reached out to Lovie Smith when he heard of this news. He went on to say that Tony and Lovie went on to a 45 minute confrence call about Vick and how the Bears would benefit him as a back up. On the Packers side of things they were told 4 other teams were also interested in Vicks services, and they announed one of them was from the NFC North to try and get their side of the deal higher if they really want Vick. So the word is two of the five teams is Green Bay and Chicago, but with the relationship Loive and Tony have chances are good Vick is a Chicago Bear by the end of the week. http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/12/michael-vick...l-bearing-down/ What does this mean?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Well, I can vouch for the friend who I received the email from, and he is vouching for the other. At the end of the day, someone heard this from a radio program. It really isn't different from one of the posters on this board saying they heard a radio report..... Many of us live in different cities, w/ access to many different media outlets. I am not going to dismiss something too quick. Especially as a seperate source (origin of this thread) talks about a similar issue. I hate "I heard form 'a' who heard from 'b' who heard from 'c'" type reporting. So, I'd be curious to see if someone can find a source on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Vick in town for Charity Event... Multiple league sources say that Michael Vick came into Chicago's O'Hare International Airport Tuesday night but that has visit has nothing to do with the Bears. Vick is believed to be in town to take part in some type of charity work related to the time he spent in federal prison for his role in a dog fighting ring. Bears coach Lovie Smith said when camp opened that he believed strongly in Vick receiving a second chance in the NFL. The Bears made an effort to bring in a fourth quarterback already after Andrew Walter was released by the Oakland Raiders, but it doesn't look like Vick will be in play for the Bears. To get approval, the club would have to go through so many layers at Halas Hall, and nothing is in the works at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Absolutely vomit on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLoc69 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Signing Michael Vick is the only realistic scenario in which I would boycott the Bears. I'm not expecting our players to be choir boys, nor am I some PETA nutjob but this wasn't a one time mistake, it was a disgustingly cruel lifestyle that spanned over several years. I bleed navy & orange but I would not be able to watch nor root for the Bears until he was gone. Luckily, I don't see it happening in a million years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 For the record, this would make me absolutely sick. One. Everyone has their own set of opinions and values, but in my house, what Vick did is about as disgusting as anything I have heard from a NFL player. Key phrase by the way was "about as". Many player do bad things, but most often, they are not so premeditated. The manner in which Vick was killing the dogs simply goes beyong rationale for me. On this point, many can argue, but it will be to no avail for me. Vick showed a purely evil side, and I simply do not want him on my team. I can completely understand that, and I'm fairly against the concept of prison rehabilitation, but if Vick is as fast as he was two years ago, then he can help the Bears. More to follow... Two. Lets be honest. He was never that great of a QB. He is one hell of a runner, and in a FF league, he is a good QB to have as QBs who can rack up rushing yards have huge point potential. But his accuracy and actually ball throwing skills were simply never that great. Further still, he is a QB who takes off running at the first sign of pressure. I would much prefer to have a QB who can side step that pressure, while continuing to look downfield. You know. Like what you expect from a QB. Agreed. He was never a great runner, but as you said...DYNAMIC runner. More to follow... Three. Vick is about as bad of a fit IMHO for our system as you will find. Whatever version you want to call it, we run a form of the WCO. We need accuracy far more than running ability from our QB, and that is simply not Vick's strength. If Cutler were to go down, we would have to either (a) totally change our system to accomodate the backup QB or ( force the backup to work within the same system. Either way, I think it would spell disaster. Agreed. He's a horrible WCO QB. However, if he's brought in for special packages as a Wildcat QB, then it's a GREAT fit. Not only would it force defenses to scheme for two systems when playing the Bears, but the potential he has in that system is plain scary. Not to mention the fact that if Cutler were to go down (shudder), the Bears are screwed anyway. At least Vick would be a better choice than the current backups. Four. I can not recall the last offseason that generated as much positive PR for the Bears. About the only knock on this team entering the season has been about the WRs, which are looking pretty damn good in camp so far. Take a look at the interviews even the national press has had w/ our players. Even those questions have a positive spin on them. If we add Vick, I think we will have done major harm to that good vibe we have going. No, that doesn't mean the seats won't get filled. But what it does mean is, now every question out of a reporters mouth will be about Vick. Cutler and Co are no longer the story. Our backup QB is. We will have a Terrell Owens like media circus, but w/o any return. At least w/ Owens you got production. W/ Vick, you get the media circus, but nothing else. Here in Dallas, it seems like everyday players talk in camp about how nice it is not to have 1,000 questions a day about TO. How do you think our players are going to feel about every question being about Vick? Completely agreed. This is the major problem, and the reason why teams are hesitant to sign Vick. Five. I just have a hard time seeing our ownership going for this, nor Angelo. Lovie is BFF w/ Dungy, and the two may be supportive of Vick. At the same time, that doesn't mean Angelo and Virginia will sign off on such a move. I realize there is a ton of hate for Mikey, but the McCaskey family very much does consider image. Sure, we may take a risk here or there, but IMHO, adding a player like Vick goes beyond anything we have done or talked about. I can't see our ownership or management going for such a move. Agreed. I don't necessarily agree with their policies, but it's impossible for the Bears to sign Vick and not have that move come off as contradictory to the Benson and Tank situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 There is nothing to this story according to Lovie and all the beat writers who are following the Bears at TC everyday. Lovie said "Michael Vick deserves another chance but its not gonna happen here." For the record he was in town for a Humane Society event which obviously is a part of his community service obligations that have been set up by the US Humane Society. Trust me evreyone no one in the Chicagholand area is following the internet buzz because it was discounted immediately by the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 There is nothing to this story according to Lovie and all the beat writers who are following the Bears at TC everyday. Lovie said "Michael Vick deserves another chance but its not gonna happen here." For the record he was in town for a Humane Society event which obviously is a part of his community service obligations that have been set up by the US Humane Society. Trust me evreyone no one in the Chicagholand area is following the internet buzz because it was discounted immediately by the head coach. Also for the record, it isn't like this was a spur of the moment thing here. Michael Vick has been working with the US Humane Society ever since he got locked and has showed up to all events that he has been able to since he has been released. There was even 1 time while he was locked up that was given permission to attend the event and help out where he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 As for Vick you have to look at what we have now. Cutler is the one and Vick would be the two. We can give him a chance and keep him for a year or two then trade him to someone else. This wouls keep him from going to Green Bay or the Vikings. Now Vick is not the greatest QB but he can do some things that could help us win a championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Agreed. He's a horrible WCO QB. However, if he's brought in for special packages as a Wildcat QB, then it's a GREAT fit. Not only would it force defenses to scheme for two systems when playing the Bears, but the potential he has in that system is plain scary. Not to mention the fact that if Cutler were to go down (shudder), the Bears are screwed anyway. At least Vick would be a better choice than the current backups. I had this discussion w/ a friend of mine. IMHO, our offense is set up right now in such a way that they could be a damn good offense, w/o having to use gadget plays. This is new for bear fans. We are used to needing trick plays and gadget schemes in order to move the ball or score, but I think that is different now. IMHO, we have an offense that is good enough to score w/o having to need such trickery. Its one thing to have a team like Miami use the wildcat. They were not a good enough offense to get it done w/o such. But how often do you think NE, Indy or other good offenses use such. Also, we have a lot of new faces and new starting player. There is a lot to teach and learn on the plate now, w/o having to learn a very different scheme as well. I would much rather we simply focus on our playbook and master that, rather than try and add something like the wildcat to the mix. In the end, I just believe we have the potential to be a very good offense w/o having to create plays for a player like Vick. Completely agreed. This is the major problem, and the reason why teams are hesitant to sign Vick. Agreed. I don't necessarily agree with their policies, but it's impossible for the Bears to sign Vick and not have that move come off as contradictory to the Benson and Tank situations. If Vick didn't have the history, I "might" consider it. But when I factor his history, I just do not believe his potential contribution comes close to equaling the negative he would bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 David Haugh "Vick at OHare juicy twist, but, no, there is no chance he becomes a Bear....none" Zach Zaidman "Bears say Michael Vick's visit to Chicago has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise" ahhhh man... hope they're wrong haha They both probably didn't think the Bears had a chance at Cutler, either. I think Carolina is a perfect fit for him. Delhomme is an average at best QB. He could come in and compete in year 2 with the team and get back to being a starter in the NFL. Remember when Bears88 came on here and last year and said he wished the Bears had a great QB like Jake Delhomme? Absolutely vomit on that Good thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Remember when Bears88 came on here and last year and said he wished the Bears had a great QB like Jake Delhomme? Ahhh yes.. That guy was a true Rex Grossman homer if I ever saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I think he's on the Texan's board right now... Ahhh yes.. That guy was a true Rex Grossman homer if I ever saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBearSox Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Ahhh yes.. That guy was a true Rex Grossman homer if I ever saw one. those were some good times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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