bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 What does everyone think about this? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4567083 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 What does everyone think about this? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4567083 I question the move unless it is a precursor to another move. I do not see the reason for adding another DE that can get 6 sacks a year. We have plenty of marginal DEs capable of that. Why would we trade away a 2nd rounder for an underachieving high draft pick? Do we have another trade lined up for AO or AB to go somewhere else for a greater need? If not, I still question why we would trade for this guy unless I am missing out on something. I know little about about him except for what I have just read and his NFL stat sheet. If someone knows more than I do that would justify this trade please make me feel better and enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I question the move unless it is a precursor to another move. I do not see the reason for adding another DE that can get 6 sacks a year. We have plenty of marginal DEs capable of that. Why would we trade away a 2nd rounder for an underachieving high draft pick? Do we have another trade lined up for AO or AB to go somewhere else for a greater need? If not, I still question why we would trade for this guy unless I am missing out on something. I know little about about him except for what I have just read and his NFL stat sheet. If someone knows more than I do that would justify this trade please make me feel better and enlighten me. I think this is telling us that Ogy is gone next yr. They are going to bring young Mr. Adams in and let Marinelli work his magic on him. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think this is telling us that Ogy is gone next yr. They are going to bring young Mr. Adams in and let Marinelli work his magic on him. Peace Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. And where exactly does it say the pick is a 2nd rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I really like it but at the same time, we are giving up a lot for him. That means he better start averaging double digit sacks the next few years and I think with Marineli, he can. After all, this guy was a first round pick 2 years ago. We have a helluva rotation right now at DE with Brown, Ogun, Adams, and Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbearsfan Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Very interesting move. Guy has alot of talent so we can see what will come of this. Sets us for not being SOL with free agents DE's next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyBear Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Very interesting move. Guy has alot of talent so we can see what will come of this. Sets us for not being SOL with free agents DE's next year. Its a leverage move that can assist them this year in a additional Lineman. Leverage will be with Ogy, Look for a deal to come up with reduction in pay or a wave goodbye for Ogy. Brown and Anderson will be safe for the next year but the move smells like Ogy is Bye bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Really guys? I think it's a precursor to signing Ogunleye to the franchise tag and saying adios to Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'TD' Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Edit: I just read it was a second round pick. I hate the trade. I understand the faith in Marenelli but this leaves the bears with the 3rd round being their highest pick 2 years in a row in the draft. I liked it when I thought it had to be a 4th or lower pick. I hae it in the second. Top 5 pic with a coach that could bring ot his talent sounds nice. That contract and will take a while to bring him around if its possible is not so positive tho. I hate the gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Edit: I just read it was a second round pick. I hate the trade. I understand the faith in Marenelli but this leaves the bears with the 3rd round being their highest pick 2 years in a row in the draft. I liked it when I thought it had to be a 4th or lower pick. I hae it in the second. Top 5 pic with a coach that could bring ot his talent sounds nice. That contract and will take a while to bring him around if its possible is not so positive tho. I hate the gamble. Gotta agree, the Secondary is a mess, at least trade for a DB or we coulda got someone in the 2nd. bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Gotta agree, the Secondary is a mess, at least trade for a DB or we coulda got someone in the 2nd. bad move. Im on the fence on this one. I like getting Adams as he has alot of talent and could definitely help us out and I believe that Marinelli will be able to help turn him into a double digit sack guy however we did give up an awful lot for him and now that we don't pick again on the 1st day really sucks as we need to upgrade our Oline and secondary badly. Maybe he is seeing that there will be some big FA's available during the offseason. I don't know. I do believe that 1 of our DE will be gone at the end of the year and personally I wouldn't mind seeing Anderson go. I love Ogun and Brown and think that we could still get a couple more good productive years out of Ogun. I am not saying that I hate Anderson or anything but I the thing that I have against him is that he his just a pass rushing DE and players and coaches know this by now. He doesn't do particularly well against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I question the move unless it is a precursor to another move. I do not see the reason for adding another DE that can get 6 sacks a year. We have plenty of marginal DEs capable of that. Why would we trade away a 2nd rounder for an underachieving high draft pick? Do we have another trade lined up for AO or AB to go somewhere else for a greater need? If not, I still question why we would trade for this guy unless I am missing out on something. I know little about about him except for what I have just read and his NFL stat sheet. If someone knows more than I do that would justify this trade please make me feel better and enlighten me. I love this move for a ton of reasons: #1 While Adams has under-achieved as a #4 overall pick, he hasn't been a bust. The guy has talent and we believe Marinelli can make him great. He's 26, he plays every game, and he's cheap in terms of $$$. He's signed through 2012. Did I mention he's young and talented? I see only up-side. #2 Wale's headed for double digit sacks & he's going to command a ton of $$$ after under-achieving for several years. Do you really want to pay a guy who only produces in a contract year? #3 This tells me we're not thrilled with Mark Anderson and Melton's likely a bust. So with our 2nd round pick next year we'd have been drafting a DE. No way we get a guy this talented in the 2nd round. #4 This helps us immediately--We LOVE to rotate our DT's, but we've never had the depth to rotate our DE's much. Mark Anderson is only a 3rd down guy. Adams gives us a vicious 3. The only thing that sucks is not having a first day pick next year. But chances are 1) We'd trade down anyway 2) We'd have taken a defensive lineman who's not as good as Adams. Think Dan Bazuin and Tank Johnson. Gilbert could prove to be great, but not this year. I love this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love this move for a ton of reasons: #1 While Adams has under-achieved as a #4 overall pick, he hasn't been a bust. The guy has talent and we believe Marinelli can make him great. He's 26, he plays every game, and he's cheap in terms of $$$. He's signed through 2012. Did I mention he's young and talented? I see only up-side. #2 Wale's headed for double digit sacks & he's going to command a ton of $$$ after under-achieving for several years. Do you really want to pay a guy who only produces in a contract year? #3 This tells me we're not thrilled with Mark Anderson and Melton's likely a bust. So with our 2nd round pick next year we'd have been drafting a DE. No way we get a guy this talented in the 2nd round. #4 This helps us immediately--We LOVE to rotate our DT's, but we've never had the depth to rotate our DE's much. Mark Anderson is only a 3rd down guy. Adams gives us a vicious 3. The only thing that sucks is not having a first day pick next year. But chances are 1) We'd trade down anyway 2) We'd have taken a defensive lineman who's not as good as Adams. Think Dan Bazuin and Tank Johnson. Gilbert could prove to be great, but not this year. I love this move. the more i think about it the more i like this trade, i think you brought up some great points. Last draft we traded out of the 2nd. If we would have done that again i would have blown a gasket. 2nd we need to get younger on the D side of the ball. If old Rod can get some production out of him this could be a huge impact deal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love this move for a ton of reasons: #1 While Adams has under-achieved as a #4 overall pick, he hasn't been a bust. The guy has talent and we believe Marinelli can make him great. He's 26, he plays every game, and he's cheap in terms of $$$. He's signed through 2012. Did I mention he's young and talented? I see only up-side. #2 Wale's headed for double digit sacks & he's going to command a ton of $$$ after under-achieving for several years. Do you really want to pay a guy who only produces in a contract year? #3 This tells me we're not thrilled with Mark Anderson and Melton's likely a bust. So with our 2nd round pick next year we'd have been drafting a DE. No way we get a guy this talented in the 2nd round. #4 This helps us immediately--We LOVE to rotate our DT's, but we've never had the depth to rotate our DE's much. Mark Anderson is only a 3rd down guy. Adams gives us a vicious 3. The only thing that sucks is not having a first day pick next year. But chances are 1) We'd trade down anyway 2) We'd have taken a defensive lineman who's not as good as Adams. Think Dan Bazuin and Tank Johnson. Gilbert could prove to be great, but not this year. I love this move. Agreed on #1 and #2. As I posted earlier, Ogy is most likely gone now . No way should we be giving a 32 yr old DE big money. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Edit: I just read it was a second round pick. I hate the trade. I understand the faith in Marenelli but this leaves the bears with the 3rd round being their highest pick 2 years in a row in the draft. I liked it when I thought it had to be a 4th or lower pick. I hae it in the second. Top 5 pic with a coach that could bring ot his talent sounds nice. That contract and will take a while to bring him around if its possible is not so positive tho. I hate the gamble. They had a 2nd last year but they traded it. Gotta agree, the Secondary is a mess, at least trade for a DB or we coulda got someone in the 2nd. bad move. Why do you think Vasher played so well in 2006? Because our DE's and DT's were getting to the QB. It all starts with the DL. Just like a great OL makes a great RB, and a great QB makes WR's, well it's the same way with the DL and the DB's- a good DL makes DB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think this move might reflect how much the Bears are relying on a rotation. A lot of athletic defensive linemen are only really good in short bursts; that's why teams like the Giants like to have a really deep rotation on the d-line. With Tommie and Mark Anderson no longer being the impact players they used to be, I can see why we'd go with a deeper rotation. Tommie, in particular, looks to have some conditioning problems (which probably stem from the fact that he's been held out of nearly every midweek practice for the past two years,) but the rest of our line tends to wear down too. I don't know if any one guy on the Bears' line is going to have 12 sacks this year, but if we can get 5-8 sacks each out of a 6- or 7-man rotation, the line as a whole will be doing great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 They had a 2nd last year but they traded it. Why do you think Vasher played so well in 2006? Because our DE's and DT's were getting to the QB. It all starts with the DL. Just like a great OL makes a great RB, and a great QB makes WR's, well it's the same way with the DL and the DB's- a good DL makes DB's. Great point especially in the Tampa 2 scheme. If our Dline doesn't put pressure on the QB it doesn't matter who our secondary guys are as they will be toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Agreed on #1 and #2. As I posted earlier, Ogy is most likely gone now . No way should we be giving a 32 yr old DE big money. Peace Great point about Ogun commanding money. I know its different but in my madden game I simulated the entire 2009 season and ended up with a very good season producing 10 1/2 sacks. Just to keep him he was commanding 3yrs at 10mil per. That is alot to pay a 32 yr old that really just produced this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6208 We released Gaines, heres the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6208 We released Gaines, heres the story. Not surprising, I guess: Kellen Davis has stepped up his run-blocking a little, and he showed his value as a red-zone receiver when Clark went down. I had heard rumors that we might release Toeaina to make room for Adams, and I'm glad we didn't do that. Toeaina's too valuable as a reserve, especially with some of our DTs being injury-prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 You could never have enough depth on the D-Line. With the uncertanty of Ogy and Anderson- its nice to have a little insurance going into next season. I think Ogy will be franchised tagged as well. Perhaps another deal will be in the works involving Anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love this move. I think, or at least hope, that he'll thrive in our system. This move makes good sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love this move. I think, or at least hope, that he'll thrive in our system. This move makes good sense. Welcome aboard Rocky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love this move. I think, or at least hope, that he'll thrive in our system. This move makes good sense. Welcome aboard!!! Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I like this move for a couple reasons. First, he's got the raw talent to excel at this position and we have the coach who should be able to get that to show up on Sundays. The upside has Gaines at a Pro Bowl level. OTOH I don't think the downside is going to be worse than what we have right now among our DEs. I don't see us finding a player with this much talent in the second half of Rd 2 in the draft. Second, this gives us multiple options in FA moving forward to fill the third DE spot. It might force Ogunleye to accept a lower contract for a part time player if he wants to stick around. At his age I think it's reasonable to sign him to a mid level contract somewhere between starter money and backup money as long as we can get out of it easily in a couple years. The Bears are good at these contracts (See Tommie Harris). If that fails Anderson is still an option but despite his improved play I haven't yet seen enough from him to feel he's a solid part of a 3-man rotation. Or we can go out into FA to pursue a player to fit into the rotation. The unknown here is where the Bears decide to play Gilbert. It's possible he becomes the third man in our DE rotation next year. I don't think so and this move makes it seem more likely that Gilbert becomes the heir apparent to Tommie Harris. Bottom line is we picked up an elite talent who is underperforming but who should be at least capable of performing as well as our current DEs. In exchange we don't have a lot of money committed to what is typically a high dollar position thus freeing up money to go after some other marquee players in FA. Of course Cutler will get a new contract but we'll be able to go way beyond that. It's too early to predict FA but even if there aren't any marquee players available JA could use the space to bring in better depth in the secondary, WR, DT. Oline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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