Grouchy Bear Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I want to start out that I'm not a big fan of Turner and Heinstand. Actually after the season ended last year I wanted their heads. My biggest reason was developing talent. Nada, ZIP, zero since they've been here. What I thought was some good FA signings this year and of course the best trade I've seen as a Bear Fan ( Cutler ) would help out our dynamic dual. Nope ! But I'm still holding out for some hope. I'll give them some time but not much. Many of you have been tossing this subject of why our offense is underachieving around this week it occurred to me it sounded like the argument of what came first the egg or chicken. I do admit both sides have good cases. I took time and checked out Replay Nfl and watched the game again and again. What I saw was bad ,bad, execution by the Oline that reminded me of the prePayton days. Frank was downright awful the other four were almost as bad. Our Oline has played terrible and it makes any OC look bad no matter what play is called at any given time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I want to start out that I'm not a big fan of Turner and Heinstand. Actually after the season ended last year I wanted their heads. My biggest reason was developing talent. Nada, ZIP, zero since they've been here. What I thought was some good FA signings this year and of course the best trade I've seen as a Bear Fan ( Cutler ) would help out our dynamic dual. Nope ! But I'm still holding out for some hope. I'll give them some time but not much. Many of you have been tossing this subject of why our offense is underachieving around this week it occurred to me it sounded like the argument of what came first the egg or chicken. I do admit both sides have good cases. I took time and checked out Replay Nfl and watched the game again and again. What I saw was bad ,bad, execution by the Oline that reminded me of the prePayton days. Frank was downright awful the other four were almost as bad. Our Oline has played terrible and it makes any OC look bad no matter what play is called at any given time. Well I beg to differ my man and it's simple. If the OC took time to use his best players in the best situation we should be 5-0 right now. I know that the line has not been the cure all it was supposed to be, but picture this. How may times have we had the ball on the goaline and ran it for a TD. Cutlers does not count. Now now many times have we thrown it for a TD in the same situation? Cutlers bootleg TD is a perfect example of how to throw off the defense. We have a 6'5 TE and another at 6'7 and we throw to them how many times in the red zone against a mismatch?That play action bootleg works almost every time it is used, so why stop using it? Another reason we do what we do in the middle of the field is because out line coaches have not learned that if they are rushing hard up the middle zone block and get to the edge where the defenders (LB,DB) are weaker than the DT & DE whereby the runner can break a tackle or two and be gone. Hince running the big and powerful Wolfe up the middle is just crazy. Get him to the edge with a screen os misdirection pitch out and you have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Well I beg to differ my man and it's simple. If the OC took time to use his best players in the best situation we should be 5-0 right now. I know that the line has not been the cure all it was supposed to be, but picture this. How may times have we had the ball on the goaline and ran it for a TD. Cutlers does not count. Now now many times have we thrown it for a TD in the same situation? Cutlers bootleg TD is a perfect example of how to throw off the defense. We have a 6'5 TE and another at 6'7 and we throw to them how many times in the red zone against a mismatch?That play action bootleg works almost every time it is used, so why stop using it? Another reason we do what we do in the middle of the field is because out line coaches have not learned that if they are rushing hard up the middle zone block and get to the edge where the defenders (LB,DB) are weaker than the DT & DE whereby the runner can break a tackle or two and be gone. Hince running the big and powerful Wolfe up the middle is just crazy. Get him to the edge with a screen os misdirection pitch out and you have something. It is mind blowing that we do not roll Cutler out all f-ing day. It is down right wrong in my book. If a D is in man to man and we roll Cutler out it is going to be hard for defenders to keep up with Hester, Knox, Bennet and Olsen for that long of a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouchy Bear Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Well I beg to differ my man and it's simple. If the OC took time to use his best players in the best situation we should be 5-0 right now. I know that the line has not been the cure all it was supposed to be, but picture this. How may times have we had the ball on the goaline and ran it for a TD. Cutlers does not count. Now now many times have we thrown it for a TD in the same situation? Cutlers bootleg TD is a perfect example of how to throw off the defense. We have a 6'5 TE and another at 6'7 and we throw to them how many times in the red zone against a mismatch?That play action bootleg works almost every time it is used, so why stop using it? Another reason we do what we do in the middle of the field is because out line coaches have not learned that if they are rushing hard up the middle zone block and get to the edge where the defenders (LB,DB) are weaker than the DT & DE whereby the runner can break a tackle or two and be gone. Hince running the big and powerful Wolfe up the middle is just crazy. Get him to the edge with a screen os misdirection pitch out and you have something. I won't argue about bootlegs and how effective they can be not only in passing plays but they can be very effective in running. A perfect example was Atlanta used it quite often against us Sunday. This helps preventing the end from crashing in from the outside. If I'm right I believe Atl last TD was a run play but Ogun bit on the bootleg thus giving Michael Turner a big hole between the guard and tackle. Another example was Farve when with green bay they killed us on bootlegs. Hell, Green bay still uses it against us effectively. And I can't argue about not using personnel to there strongest suits either. But if an offensive line can't get an enough push from the 1 yard line to get a TD that's just sickening Example: http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...Benson-vs-Forte How about 3rd and short here is an excerpt from the Suntimes : http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hayes/18442...-neil25.article "The Bears are passing more in short-yardage situations for obvious reasons. Letting Cutler throw is often the surest bet when the defense is amped up to stop the run. When needing one or two yards on third or fourth down, the Bears have gone 8-for-9 through the air with two touchdowns. They have been less effective on the ground, going only 5-for-9 with two fumbles. Those ground numbers would be even worse if Cutler hadn't twice picked up first downs on sneaks." What is needed here is a foot in the rump Ditka style. These guys have to be called out by Lovie and just maybe we can be at least be in the middle of the pack instead of 27th in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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