madlithuanian Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'm going to take a stab at this... Besides going Madden on this and blowing up our roster and trying to get picks, etc...I'm going to approach this as is. What FA are possible, where our draft picks are etc... I'll be utilizing this site for potential available FA's.... http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html 1. FA pick ups: OL - Keep on T (Williams), and one G (Garza)...the rest should be cut or traded. a. Logan Mankins (G), I want a winner, someone who knows what winning is like. He's only 27, fairly young. NE tends not to want to pay $$$$. b. Marcus McNeil (T), young kid. We need youth and he's also got some size... c. Justin Hartwig © Younger than Kruetz...also a winner. We missed on teh Faneca sweepstakes. Let's cut our loss w Olin now. S - OJ Atogwe (S) We need some experience and he is fairly young at 28. WR - I think Vincent Jackson would be a pipe dream the way he's playing this season. But if he's there, you get him. FB - Justin Griffith. He's better than McKie, and not too old. 2. Re-sign: Daneal Manning (looks to be turning the corner), Alex Brown (need some veteran in there), Roach (good back-up) 3. Release: Ogunleye (he'd want too much, we have too many other needs), Toeinea (n/a), Williams (never showed much as a LB), Bullocks (who?), AP (Thank you for the service, but we need to move on), Anderson (bust) 4. Shop: We shop Kruetz, Vasher, Harris. I'm not ssuming we'd get anything of note. But if we could get a 2nd or 3rd for one or so, I'd take it. 5. Draft: R3: OL R4: DL (E or T) R5: DB R6: LB R7 or undrafted: WR/RB/FB I just think getting the O line the upgrade would pay huge dividends. We must commit serious money to the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudgeripple2000 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I'm going to take a stab at this... Besides going Madden on this and blowing up our roster and trying to get picks, etc...I'm going to approach this as is. What FA are possible, where our draft picks are etc... I'll be utilizing this site for potential available FA's.... http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html 1. FA pick ups: OL - Keep on T (Williams), and one G (Garza)...the rest should be cut or traded. a. Logan Mankins (G), I want a winner, someone who knows what winning is like. He's only 27, fairly young. NE tends not to want to pay $$$$. b. Marcus McNeil (T), young kid. We need youth and he's also got some size... c. Justin Hartwig © Younger than Kruetz...also a winner. We missed on teh Faneca sweepstakes. Let's cut our loss w Olin now. S - OJ Atogwe (S) We need some experience and he is fairly young at 28. WR - I think Vincent Jackson would be a pipe dream the way he's playing this season. But if he's there, you get him. FB - Justin Griffith. He's better than McKie, and not too old. 2. Re-sign: Daneal Manning (looks to be turning the corner), Alex Brown (need some veteran in there), Roach (good back-up) 3. Release: Ogunleye (he'd want too much, we have too many other needs), Toeinea (n/a), Williams (never showed much as a LB), Bullocks (who?), AP (Thank you for the service, but we need to move on), Anderson (bust) 4. Shop: We shop Kruetz, Vasher, Harris. I'm not ssuming we'd get anything of note. But if we could get a 2nd or 3rd for one or so, I'd take it. 5. Draft: R3: OL R4: DL (E or T) R5: DB R6: LB R7 or undrafted: WR/RB/FB I just think getting the O line the upgrade would pay huge dividends. We must commit serious money to the OL. I love the moves on O-line if we can afford them. We need some people with bad intentions some road graders to make a hole. And tackles that can hold the end occasionally. My favorite thing that you said is Griffith. Don't know much about him, but a good fullback makes the running back better they are generally more effective at running screens due to the fact that they get that initial block and not the brush that an everydown back gives. With the idea of an uncapped year is when we see just how much we want to win because we have two facts. Green Bay won't get worse next year and if Favre is up for another year, we had better make some moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I hear ya! I don't know much about Griffith other than 2 freinds from Atlanta that loved him when he was with them. I assume his last 2 years w/ the Raiders don't count...and this year with SEA is a wash. We need to keep up with the Joneses. Literally and figuratively! I love the moves on O-line if we can afford them. We need some people with bad intentions some road graders to make a hole. And tackles that can hold the end occasionally. My favorite thing that you said is Griffith. Don't know much about him, but a good fullback makes the running back better they are generally more effective at running screens due to the fact that they get that initial block and not the brush that an everydown back gives. With the idea of an uncapped year is when we see just how much we want to win because we have two facts. Green Bay won't get worse next year and if Favre is up for another year, we had better make some moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Between McNeill, Atogwe, Jackson, Hartwig, and Mankins, that's going to be about $39 million (Mankins- 7, Jackson- 6, Hartwig- 8, Atogwe- 8, McNeill- 10). I highly doubt that happens. I'd be satisfied with Mankins OR McNeill, and Atogwe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I'll take any of it... I just don't want second tier bargain basement guys like we got this past off-season in Omiyale and Pace... Those were a complete waste. We have to totally start over. Between McNeill, Atogwe, Jackson, Hartwig, and Mankins, that's going to be about $39 million (Mankins- 7, Jackson- 6, Hartwig- 8, Atogwe- 8, McNeill- 10). I highly doubt that happens. I'd be satisfied with Mankins OR McNeill, and Atogwe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Take WR off the list. We have Devin A. and Iglesias who haven't even played yet. Plus, I really like the development we have seen from Hester, Bennett, and Knox. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 If we sign Mankins at 8m per (which I doubt he leaves NE) and sign Atogwe to anchor our FS spot that is currently occupied by members of this board, I'd say that's a pretty good offseason. I think we'll FT Ogunleye too; otherwise we have nothing at DE going into next year. There aren't too many good DE's going into FA this year. BTW- I'd like to see what Adams can do soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Madman, You start out by saying you don't want to go Madden, but then you go in a direction that would make Dan Snyder blush. Hope for one big O signing and one big D signing. After those two, look for a bunch of 2nd and tier tier signings. Looking over your group, McNeil would likely be my favorite addition to the OL. Whether we like it our not, the team is not likely to give up yet on Omiyale completely. We have Beekman. And despite the drop, I don't see us releasing Kreutz. So I want to see us add an upper tier OT in FA, and draft OG by the 4th round in the draft. I would love a FB, but ain't gonna happen. McKie has pics of Lovies wife, and is going no where. WR ain't gonna happen, and especially not a Wr like VJ who is really breaking out and will be expensive. I know your feelings about the need at WR, but go back to Angelo's comment. "It's all about the QB" Build the OL and continue to develop the receivers. I think a better backup RB needs to be addressed. I love the Atogwe pick on D. Not going to be cheap, but necessary. I'm going to take a stab at this... Besides going Madden on this and blowing up our roster and trying to get picks, etc...I'm going to approach this as is. What FA are possible, where our draft picks are etc... I'll be utilizing this site for potential available FA's.... http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html 1. FA pick ups: OL - Keep on T (Williams), and one G (Garza)...the rest should be cut or traded. a. Logan Mankins (G), I want a winner, someone who knows what winning is like. He's only 27, fairly young. NE tends not to want to pay $$$$. b. Marcus McNeil (T), young kid. We need youth and he's also got some size... c. Justin Hartwig © Younger than Kruetz...also a winner. We missed on teh Faneca sweepstakes. Let's cut our loss w Olin now. S - OJ Atogwe (S) We need some experience and he is fairly young at 28. WR - I think Vincent Jackson would be a pipe dream the way he's playing this season. But if he's there, you get him. FB - Justin Griffith. He's better than McKie, and not too old. 2. Re-sign: Daneal Manning (looks to be turning the corner), Alex Brown (need some veteran in there), Roach (good back-up) 3. Release: Ogunleye (he'd want too much, we have too many other needs), Toeinea (n/a), Williams (never showed much as a LB), Bullocks (who?), AP (Thank you for the service, but we need to move on), Anderson (bust) 4. Shop: We shop Kruetz, Vasher, Harris. I'm not ssuming we'd get anything of note. But if we could get a 2nd or 3rd for one or so, I'd take it. 5. Draft: R3: OL R4: DL (E or T) R5: DB R6: LB R7 or undrafted: WR/RB/FB I just think getting the O line the upgrade would pay huge dividends. We must commit serious money to the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 You got me! Once I got rolling, it was hard to stop! I think if we get a stud young OT in FA, that'll at least be a start... That simply has to be THE priority... Madman, You start out by saying you don't want to go Madden, but then you go in a direction that would make Dan Snyder blush. Hope for one big O signing and one big D signing. After those two, look for a bunch of 2nd and tier tier signings. Looking over your group, McNeil would likely be my favorite addition to the OL. Whether we like it our not, the team is not likely to give up yet on Omiyale completely. We have Beekman. And despite the drop, I don't see us releasing Kreutz. So I want to see us add an upper tier OT in FA, and draft OG by the 4th round in the draft. I would love a FB, but ain't gonna happen. McKie has pics of Lovies wife, and is going no where. WR ain't gonna happen, and especially not a Wr like VJ who is really breaking out and will be expensive. I know your feelings about the need at WR, but go back to Angelo's comment. "It's all about the QB" Build the OL and continue to develop the receivers. I think a better backup RB needs to be addressed. I love the Atogwe pick on D. Not going to be cheap, but necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Madlith, ya ready to give up on Beekman already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Keep him. But if a stud is available, I'd rather have him. At least right now. Madlith, ya ready to give up on Beekman already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Sign a FA OL, then sign another. That would be a great offseason! Maybe even target OL in the third or fourth round. Getting rid of the coaches and their horrible scheme will take care of the problems on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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