Cutler's Mechanics...

[Mongo3451]

One thing I have noticed in seeing film on Cutler in Denver VS Chicago is his mechanics. At times his mechanics with the Bears are atrocious. One thing my brother picked up in camp is that he thought Cutler practiced lazy. In asking him why he thought this a concern; he simply stated "you practice like you play". My brother, being a qualified leader of men through many years with the Marines expounded his assessment by stating by going hard all the time, you get used to where people will be in battle and /or game situations. Most importantly, when everyone works there ass off for a common goal it develops a steeliness that translates into more fight when it matters.

 

Here's what I see. I see Cutler backpedalling when he doesn't need too. He also is not leaning into most of his throws. Both of these will definately lead to innaccurracy.(Grossman like) Is Cutler pussing out on us or is he just in need of a towel snap to get back to good mechanics? Also, I wonder why the coaches have not corrected this.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

As I'm sure you all know, I'm a huge Cutler fan.

 

However, he's starting to get on my bad side. Am I denying that the OL sucks? No. Am I denying that the run game isn't there? No. Am I denying that the defense giving up 24 points is good? No.

 

However, in the biggest game of the year, Cutler had to make some throws, and he didn't. He continually missed easy TD's (Hester, Olsen, Knox) and other throws as the game went along.

 

Again, his poor mechanics are...well...poor.

 

I'd do the trade 100 times out of 100. However, maybe this guy just isn't a winner. People make of his Pro Bowl season last year like he won a Super Bowl. Who cares if he made the Pro Bowl? If he were to go 8-8 this year and make the Pro Bowl but we miss the playoffs, are you going to be satisfied? Everyone likes to say he has no talent around him + the coaches suck, but despite having a great WR, a good WR, a great OL, and a great coach last year, he was QBing a team who went 8-8 (IIRC) and lost a 3 game lead in the last 3 weeks of the season.

[Mongo3451]

As I'm sure you all know, I'm a huge Cutler fan.

 

However, he's starting to get on my bad side. Am I denying that the OL sucks? No. Am I denying that the run game isn't there? No. Am I denying that the defense giving up 24 points is good? No.

 

However, in the biggest game of the year, Cutler had to make some throws, and he didn't. He continually missed easy TD's (Hester, Olsen, Knox) and other throws as the game went along.

 

Again, his poor mechanics are...well...poor.

 

I'd do the trade 100 times out of 100. However, maybe this guy just isn't a winner. People make of his Pro Bowl season last year like he won a Super Bowl. Who cares if he made the Pro Bowl? If he were to go 8-8 this year and make the Pro Bowl but we miss the playoffs, are you going to be satisfied? Everyone likes to say he has no talent around him + the coaches suck, but despite having a great WR, a good WR, a great OL, and a great coach last year, he was QBing a team who went 8-8 (IIRC) and lost a 3 game lead in the last 3 weeks of the season.

Maybe we should combine posts? I think we were typing simultaneously.

[madlithuanian]

I'm very worried for all the reasons you state...

 

It would appear that he should have better help around him, players and coaches. I'm not sure that will be remedied soon enough. I fear he will play fearful and apathetic for his duration here unless something is done.

 

Mongo had a post mentioning Cutler seems to be lollygagging at TC... I think he may be onto something. What if this guy has all the taltent and no heart?

 

As I'm sure you all know, I'm a huge Cutler fan.

 

However, he's starting to get on my bad side. Am I denying that the OL sucks? No. Am I denying that the run game isn't there? No. Am I denying that the defense giving up 24 points is good? No.

 

However, in the biggest game of the year, Cutler had to make some throws, and he didn't. He continually missed easy TD's (Hester, Olsen, Knox) and other throws as the game went along.

 

Again, his poor mechanics are...well...poor.

 

I'd do the trade 100 times out of 100. However, maybe this guy just isn't a winner. People make of his Pro Bowl season last year like he won a Super Bowl. Who cares if he made the Pro Bowl? If he were to go 8-8 this year and make the Pro Bowl but we miss the playoffs, are you going to be satisfied? Everyone likes to say he has no talent around him + the coaches suck, but despite having a great WR, a good WR, a great OL, and a great coach last year, he was QBing a team who went 8-8 (IIRC) and lost a 3 game lead in the last 3 weeks of the season.

 

[madlithuanian]

Very concerning.

 

Great points. I am truly worried.

 

He may be all talent and no heart...

 

One thing I have noticed in seeing film on Cutler in Denver VS Chicago is his mechanics. At times his mechanics with the Bears are atrocious. One thing my brother picked up in camp is that he thought Cutler practiced lazy. In asking him why he thought this a concern; he simply stated "you practice like you play". My brother, being a qualified leader of men through many years with the Marines expounded his assessment by stating by going hard all the time, you get used to where people will be in battle and /or game situations. Most importantly, when everyone works there ass off for a common goal it develops a steeliness that translates into more fight when it matters.

 

Here's what I see. I see Cutler backpedalling when he doesn't need too. He also is not leaning into most of his throws. Both of these will definately lead to innaccurracy.(Grossman like) Is Cutler pussing out on us or is he just in need of a towel snap to get back to good mechanics? Also, I wonder why the coaches have not corrected this.

 

[lemonej]

As I'm sure you all know, I'm a huge Cutler fan.

 

However, he's starting to get on my bad side. Am I denying that the OL sucks? No. Am I denying that the run game isn't there? No. Am I denying that the defense giving up 24 points is good? No.

 

However, in the biggest game of the year, Cutler had to make some throws, and he didn't. He continually missed easy TD's (Hester, Olsen, Knox) and other throws as the game went along.

 

Again, his poor mechanics are...well...poor.

 

I'd do the trade 100 times out of 100. However, maybe this guy just isn't a winner. People make of his Pro Bowl season last year like he won a Super Bowl. Who cares if he made the Pro Bowl? If he were to go 8-8 this year and make the Pro Bowl but we miss the playoffs, are you going to be satisfied? Everyone likes to say he has no talent around him + the coaches suck, but despite having a great WR, a good WR, a great OL, and a great coach last year, he was QBing a team who went 8-8 (IIRC) and lost a 3 game lead in the last 3 weeks of the season.

The knock on him coming out was his won and lost record and so far during his pro career he still hasn't gotten that monkey off his back. For all the talent he has Vandy had a horrible record while he was there. IMO you can tell from his first throw if he is going to be sharp or not. In the last 3 games he has been throwing the ball high to just about everyone and that was true last night.

[adam]

Cutler mechanics have went into the shitter. On some of his throws, it looks like he is just winging them up there and expecting receivers to catch them regardless on how bad they are thrown or where they are thrown. He had two throws like that down the middle that were lofted over the receiver and in front of the safeties. I believe Olsen was one of the receivers. Who was he throwing to? Miscommunication, etc can only be used as an excuse for so long.

 

The over throws to Olsen and Hester on back to back plays were crazy. Also, how do you overthrow Knox?

[lemonej]

Cutler mechanics have went into the shitter. On some of his throws, it looks like he is just winging them up there and expecting receivers to catch them regardless on how bad they are thrown or where they are thrown. He had two throws like that down the middle that were lofted over the receiver and in front of the safeties. I believe Olsen was one of the receivers. Who was he throwing to? Miscommunication, etc can only be used as an excuse for so long.

 

The over throws to Olsen and Hester on back to back plays were crazy. Also, how do you overthrow Knox?

It seems like hes rattled now. I think the hits have started to effect him on the field.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

In my opinion, the solution is simple. Well, the answers are simple. Bringing the guys here might be hard. Sign Brandon Marshall, OJ Atogwe, and draft the best OG available in the 3rd round.

 

I would say OT, but I doubt we just waste Omiyale on the bench. I'm guessing Williams at LT next year with Omiyale at RT.

[bowlingtwig]

In my opinion, the solution is simple. Well, the answers are simple. Bringing the guys here might be hard. Sign Brandon Marshall, OJ Atogwe, and draft the best OG available in the 3rd round.

 

I would say OT, but I doubt we just waste Omiyale on the bench. I'm guessing Williams at LT next year with Omiyale at RT.

I would rather see a TRUE competition between Shaffer and Omiyale for the RT spot. I would love to be able to do what you are proposing and I am sure Marshall would love to come back to Cutler but I am sure he will be commanding to much $$$.

[nfoligno]

Agreed. Even on the rare occasions when he does have time, you can see the clock buzzing in his head. At this point, regardless whether or not there is pressure, he seems to expect pressure, and thus seems to be pressing and hurrying passes, even when he doesn't have to.

 

Another thing Cutler used to do well is take off and run w/ the ball, but he has seemed more hesitant to do so as a Bear. You have to wonder if it isn't because he just doesn't want to put himself in a situation where he gets hit again.

 

It is really sad what we may be turning Cutler into. I think this can all be rectified, but I do believe our OL and system in general, has screwed him up.

 

It seems like hes rattled now. I think the hits have started to effect him on the field.

 

[jason]

It is really sad what we may be turning Cutler into. I think this can all be rectified, but I do believe our OL and system in general, has screwed him up.

 

End of thread.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

End of thread.

No, it's not the end of the thread. I fully agree. However, the OL actually played well against the Eagles considering how bad they were all year, and even then, Cutler was missing WR's.

[nfoligno]

While I am not arguing Cutler was missing WRs, I am not sure I would agree our OL played well.

 

I have heard that quite a bit, and just do not agree. I saw us using a lot of max protect and power formations, and that helped keep Cutler vertical more often than not. But should we really credit the OL so much? If the OL were truly playing better, much less well, I would think we would not need to use the extra blockers so much and could instead provide Cutler more weapons. Also, even though we used extra blockers, I saw Cutler on the move often.

 

And then there is the run blocker, which again, was just poor. Sure, there was the one big play, and on that play Beekman in particular (as well as Kreutz) made great blocks, but for the most part, our OL did little to nothing to open up holes for the RBs.

 

At best, it may be said our OL was poor in run blocking and average in pass protection. I would actually say though that our OL was awful in run blocking and below average in pass protection, and much of the credit goes to our using extra blockers, which again, hurts as much as helps as it minimized the number of weapons/targets at Cutler's disposal.

 

No, it's not the end of the thread. I fully agree. However, the OL actually played well against the Eagles considering how bad they were all year, and even then, Cutler was missing WR's.

 

[madlithuanian]

Yeah, I think we're too used to piss-poor O-Line play that a game like the one against Philly would actually "appear" to be good by comparison...

 

 

 

While I am not arguing Cutler was missing WRs, I am not sure I would agree our OL played well.

 

I have heard that quite a bit, and just do not agree. I saw us using a lot of max protect and power formations, and that helped keep Cutler vertical more often than not. But should we really credit the OL so much? If the OL were truly playing better, much less well, I would think we would not need to use the extra blockers so much and could instead provide Cutler more weapons. Also, even though we used extra blockers, I saw Cutler on the move often.

 

And then there is the run blocker, which again, was just poor. Sure, there was the one big play, and on that play Beekman in particular (as well as Kreutz) made great blocks, but for the most part, our OL did little to nothing to open up holes for the RBs.

 

At best, it may be said our OL was poor in run blocking and average in pass protection. I would actually say though that our OL was awful in run blocking and below average in pass protection, and much of the credit goes to our using extra blockers, which again, hurts as much as helps as it minimized the number of weapons/targets at Cutler's disposal.

 

[nfoligno]

It is truly sad how low the bar has been set.

 

OL doesn't get Cutler killed, they have played well.

 

Defense only gives up 24 points, they played well.

 

Wow have we sunk low.

 

Yeah, I think we're too used to piss-poor O-Line play that a game like the one against Philly would actually "appear" to be good by comparison...

 

[nfoligno]

Read this on the Trib's site, talking about the Cutler pick.

 

The tape shows: The Bears line up in shotgun formation with Matt Forte in the backfield next to Cutler. The receivers are Johnny Knox, Earl Bennett, Olsen and Devin Hester.

 

The Eagles rush only three men, but defensive end Trent Cole puts an inside move on Orlando Pace and gets by him. Josh Beekman, who is blocking no one, does not help Pace, and Cole pressures Cutler.

 

Freaking pathetic. I have seen this happen WAY to often this year. We face a defense that rushes only 3, and yet they still manage to get pressure on Cutler. I do not want to hear about how our OL played well, or even better. Never should we allow pressure on the QB when the D only rushes 3.

 

The Trib did not point this out to defend Cutler. In fact, they specifically say Cutler locked onto Olsen, and never even looked at Bennett, who was in one-on-one coverage or Forte, who was open in the flat. Nor am I trying to excuse Cutler for the pick. The point here is ONLY to focus on the OL, and the questionable belief that they played well.

 

Yeah, I think we're too used to piss-poor O-Line play that a game like the one against Philly would actually "appear" to be good by comparison...

 

[madlithuanian]

I know!

 

It is truly sad how low the bar has been set.

 

OL doesn't get Cutler killed, they have played well.

 

Defense only gives up 24 points, they played well.

 

Wow have we sunk low.

 

[madlithuanian]

It's beyond pathetic.

 

There's a part of me that really thinks there's a snowball's chance we can beat Minny and spoil a parade. We have the players. But I look at that example and others, and just don't think it'll happen.

 

 

 

Read this on the Trib's site, talking about the Cutler pick.

 

The tape shows: The Bears line up in shotgun formation with Matt Forte in the backfield next to Cutler. The receivers are Johnny Knox, Earl Bennett, Olsen and Devin Hester.

 

The Eagles rush only three men, but defensive end Trent Cole puts an inside move on Orlando Pace and gets by him. Josh Beekman, who is blocking no one, does not help Pace, and Cole pressures Cutler.

 

Freaking pathetic. I have seen this happen WAY to often this year. We face a defense that rushes only 3, and yet they still manage to get pressure on Cutler. I do not want to hear about how our OL played well, or even better. Never should we allow pressure on the QB when the D only rushes 3.

 

The Trib did not point this out to defend Cutler. In fact, they specifically say Cutler locked onto Olsen, and never even looked at Bennett, who was in one-on-one coverage or Forte, who was open in the flat. Nor am I trying to excuse Cutler for the pick. The point here is ONLY to focus on the OL, and the questionable belief that they played well.

 

[jason]

No, it's not the end of the thread. I fully agree. However, the OL actually played well against the Eagles considering how bad they were all year, and even then, Cutler was missing WR's.

 

Sorry, dude, it was the end of the thread. Saying the OL played well against the Eagles is like patting an F average student on the head for getting a D+. The OL did not play well. They played well for them.

 

NFO's post about how the Bears coaching, offensive philosophy, and complete garbage on the OL is the end of this discussion when it concerns the thread's title: Cutler's Mechanics. We can talk about mechanics all we want, but when a guy is getting drilled over and over, and he knows he is going to get pressure on a three step drop, and he knows that he'll take a shot even though the defense is only sending four, sooner or later he's going to have to adjust to avoid injury. These guys aren't robots, and pain/fear will dictate their actions when the time comes.

 

Does that mean Cutler shouldn't have hit Olsen, Hester, and Knox on the bombs? Clearly not.

But I can surely understand why everything he knows about being a QB is changing in Chicago.

[lemonej]

Good job Jason you hit it right between the eyes.Those of us who have followed the team throughout a few decades know that since we had Jim Finks drafting philosophy we have had limited success.Finks believed in the philosophy it starts up front on both sides of the ball and he woould draft lineman until he got a Dan Hampton or Tom Thayer or Jimbo Covert and Mark Bortz. Then he didn't rest with the draft but searched the waiver wire and came up with a Hilgenberg or a McMichael. Finks believed heavily in the front seven on defense and his tenure in Minn, Chicago and NO prove that theory. To bad Mikey chased him away or maybe this frnachise would be looked at as a model.

[selection7]

And we're still a much better offense than we used to be.

[Ed Hochuli 3:16]

And we're still a much better offense than we used to be.

Let's see: our OL sucks now more then ever, therefore our run game is nonexistent thus our QB is being forced to carry the whole offense on his back + our WR's aren't getting open which is forcing turnovers.

 

I wouldn't say our offense is better then last year's.

[bowlingtwig]

Let's see: our OL sucks now more then ever, therefore our run game is nonexistent thus our QB is being forced to carry the whole offense on his back + our WR's aren't getting open which is forcing turnovers.

 

I wouldn't say our offense is better then last year's.

If you look at the stats our offense is actually better but the MAJOR problem is the 18INT's. I don't care who the fault of the INTs are but that is the problem compared to last season.

[nfoligno]

Maybe I'll take the time to look at this more detailed tomorrow, but....

 

(a) OL is far worse than it was last year, and you know what, last year it sucked. OL this year has been on a level that has fan far older than me wondering when they last saw a unit this poor. And screw the stat about sacks. As Randy Galloway (local radio guy) say's, just watch the damn game. Cutler is under pressure before he has time to look up. He is on the run nearly very snap. And the sad thing is, they might be better in pass protection than run blocking.

 

( As said before, I might look up the stats tomorrow, but I doubt our run game is better this year than last. In fact, i would suspect it is FAR worse.

 

© It is possible we have more passing yards, but I would argue you can't have those increased passing stats w/o the picks, at least to some extent. Sure, some could have and should have been avoided, but if w/ everything as bad as it is, you only move the ball downfield by taking chances. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it goes the other way. When your OL sucks, you have no run game and your WRs are lacking, you can avoid picks, but you are likely also going 3 and out on a pretty consistent basis.

 

If you look at the stats our offense is actually better but the MAJOR problem is the 18INT's. I don't care who the fault of the INTs are but that is the problem compared to last season.