nfoligno Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 If Briggs is out for this game, and we play Cato June at WLB rather than Williams, I will be ticked. It isn't that I think June couldn't contribute. Heck, he may be better than Williams. But we are out of the playoff hunt, and we need to be looking at our young players wherever we can. Briggs injury gives us an opportunity to see what Williams can do. At this point, getting playing time for the younger players, and seeing if they have a future w/ the team, is a hell of a lot more important than any contribution a player like June, who is a stop gap fill in, could provide. If Williams can't handle the duties at WLB, then we need to know. I have no expectation of Lovie, who I am sure feels the heat, of just going to a total youth movement, but for some position, it is just too logical to give younger players an opportunity. Jamar Williams should be playing WLB. Chris Williams should be starting at LB w/ Pace out. Frankly, if Pace were not injured, Williams should be starting at LT regardless. DA should be getting increased reps at WR. Gaines Adams and Gilbert should be getting increased reps in their respective rotations at DE and DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 agree but apparently Briggs will be playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 If Briggs is out for this game, and we play Cato June at WLB rather than Williams, I will be ticked. It isn't that I think June couldn't contribute. Heck, he may be better than Williams. But we are out of the playoff hunt, and we need to be looking at our young players wherever we can. Briggs injury gives us an opportunity to see what Williams can do. At this point, getting playing time for the younger players, and seeing if they have a future w/ the team, is a hell of a lot more important than any contribution a player like June, who is a stop gap fill in, could provide. If Williams can't handle the duties at WLB, then we need to know. I have no expectation of Lovie, who I am sure feels the heat, of just going to a total youth movement, but for some position, it is just too logical to give younger players an opportunity. Jamar Williams should be playing WLB. Chris Williams should be starting at LB w/ Pace out. Frankly, if Pace were not injured, Williams should be starting at LT regardless. DA should be getting increased reps at WR. Gaines Adams and Gilbert should be getting increased reps in their respective rotations at DE and DT. Sorry, I just don't think Williams is fast enough or experienced enough to play LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Sorry, I just don't think Williams is fast enough or experienced enough to play LB. But that is why this would be a perfect time to play him and find out if he can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I could be wrong, but I think Jason was using a bit of sarcasm. But that is why this would be a perfect time to play him and find out if he can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Where did you read that? Everything I have read today is now putting him as questionable. agree but apparently Briggs will be playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Get the good scotch out! I have a feeling you'll see what you fear... If Briggs is out for this game, and we play Cato June at WLB rather than Williams, I will be ticked. It isn't that I think June couldn't contribute. Heck, he may be better than Williams. But we are out of the playoff hunt, and we need to be looking at our young players wherever we can. Briggs injury gives us an opportunity to see what Williams can do. At this point, getting playing time for the younger players, and seeing if they have a future w/ the team, is a hell of a lot more important than any contribution a player like June, who is a stop gap fill in, could provide. If Williams can't handle the duties at WLB, then we need to know. I have no expectation of Lovie, who I am sure feels the heat, of just going to a total youth movement, but for some position, it is just too logical to give younger players an opportunity. Jamar Williams should be playing WLB. Chris Williams should be starting at LB w/ Pace out. Frankly, if Pace were not injured, Williams should be starting at LT regardless. DA should be getting increased reps at WR. Gaines Adams and Gilbert should be getting increased reps in their respective rotations at DE and DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Angelo should step in. In Tenn, Bud Adams basically told Fisher to start Vince Young as the season was a bust, and the team needed to see if VY was their future or not. By that same right, Angelo should step in and force Lovie to play certain players. I can't totally fault Lovie. The job of the HC is to try and win each and every game, and that means playing your best players. That is even more true for a coach on the hotseat. The GM should be looking at the big picture more so though. Further, Angelo has extra reason to push Lovie to play the younger players. If, in the final 5 games, players Angelo drafted look good, he would have a better argument for keeping his job, rather than if his draft picks stay on the bench, or the inactive list. Get the good scotch out! I have a feeling you'll see what you fear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Rotoworld reports that we're starting Chris Williams at LT, and that Jamar Williams is the guy if Briggs can't go. Cato June is just getting over a broken arm, and he's probably only insurance at this point. I really hope this is the start of a trend, and that it means we can get guys like Gilbert and Gaines Adams some reps in the next five games. In theory, they're supposed to be starters on the d-line before too long, let's get them acclimated before the beginning of next season. I'll go a step further: if Williams settles in well at LT, I think we ought to waive Pace, bring that BC tackle up from the practice squad, then give him and Omiyale a look on the right side. I'd even be OK with putting Lance Louis in at guard for a game or two. This season's in the tank; we need to see if any of these guys can help us next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Yep. But that should have happened a while ago too. I completely fault Smith. We all get dealt the cards we have. He has not played his hand well at all. I'm really not sure these 2 clowns know the position they are in. Unfortunately for us fans, larger clowns are running the show at the top. Angelo should step in. In Tenn, Bud Adams basically told Fisher to start Vince Young as the season was a bust, and the team needed to see if VY was their future or not. By that same right, Angelo should step in and force Lovie to play certain players. I can't totally fault Lovie. The job of the HC is to try and win each and every game, and that means playing your best players. That is even more true for a coach on the hotseat. The GM should be looking at the big picture more so though. Further, Angelo has extra reason to push Lovie to play the younger players. If, in the final 5 games, players Angelo drafted look good, he would have a better argument for keeping his job, rather than if his draft picks stay on the bench, or the inactive list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Stick Jamar out there. We have nothing to play for. Let's see what he can do for an extended period of time. Let's also throw Iglesias, Gilbert, and Moore out there. Let's also put Williams at LT and Omiyale at RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Rotoworld reports that we're starting Chris Williams at LT, and that Jamar Williams is the guy if Briggs can't go. Cato June is just getting over a broken arm, and he's probably only insurance at this point. This would make the most sense, no question. I really hope this is the start of a trend, and that it means we can get guys like Gilbert and Gaines Adams some reps in the next five games. In theory, they're supposed to be starters on the d-line before too long, let's get them acclimated before the beginning of next season. I agree they should both should get more reps. What kills me is, the couple times I have seen Gaines in there, he has been beyond worthless. We still have to play him, but damn, we seriously gave up a 2nd round pick for this guy? I'll go a step further: if Williams settles in well at LT, I think we ought to waive Pace, bring that BC tackle up from the practice squad, then give him and Omiyale a look on the right side. I'd even be OK with putting Lance Louis in at guard for a game or two. This season's in the tank; we need to see if any of these guys can help us next year. We have to be VERY careful here. In most positions, I totally agree, but on the OL, as much as we need to develop the young guys on the OL, we also need to remember our top asset is the one these guys have to protect. No way I throw Louis out there. Simply way too raw. I might give Omiyale a try at RT, but honestly, I would have a quick hook for him. W/ Williams at RT, we may need to play Shaffer at RT. That totally goes against the idea of development, but again, how much are we allowing the rest of the offense to develop if we simply give DL's a free pass to Cutler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Honestly, Briggs injury is really a small blessing as there is just no way we get Williams significant reps w/ him healthy. I will never wish injury on a Bear player, but another player who's injury could benefit the team long term would be Kreutz, as it would give us an opportunity to see Beekman at center. Iglesias needs to play, but then again, activating him would be a good start. Honestly though, we are playing young guys now at WR. I would try and get both he and DA more reps, but at WR, it isn't like youth is being held back by old guys. Agreed on Gilbert, and I would say Gaines Adams too. Moore? That one is a bit tougher, as again, it isn't like we have a bunch of old guys in front of him. Stick Jamar out there. We have nothing to play for. Let's see what he can do for an extended period of time. Let's also throw Iglesias, Gilbert, and Moore out there. Let's also put Williams at LT and Omiyale at RT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 We have to be VERY careful here. In most positions, I totally agree, but on the OL, as much as we need to develop the young guys on the OL, we also need to remember our top asset is the one these guys have to protect. No way I throw Louis out there. Simply way too raw. I might give Omiyale a try at RT, but honestly, I would have a quick hook for him. W/ Williams at RT, we may need to play Shaffer at RT. That totally goes against the idea of development, but again, how much are we allowing the rest of the offense to develop if we simply give DL's a free pass to Cutler. Yeah, with guys like Louis and Marten (off the PS) I think we could just give them some garbage-time reps, maybe even with Hanie in for Cutler. Omiyale and Shaffer should be legitimately in the mix at RT, although I agree that we'd have to yank Omiyale quickly if he plays anything close to a badly as he has at LG. Omiyale, I think, falls into the "try to develop" category with Williams, whereas Louis and Marten would be more "get a look to see if they're worth trying to develop." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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