BTW - Two more INTs

[jason]

False historians and statistical nerds will look at Cutler's INTs at the end of the year - just like the majority of the ignorant sports media who haven't watched the games - and they'll blame it all on Cutler. They'll say this was a horrible year for Cutler and he made a multitude of mistakes. They'll say the trade was ridiculously lopsided, and the Broncos basically robbed the Bears. But what they won't see is a slew of INTs that are not really Cutler's fault. This past game against the Packers just adds two more to the list.

 

INT #1 = Aromashodu runs the wrong way, Billick basically says as much on air

INT #2 = Knox runs the wrong way on an adjustment, hanging Cutler out to dry, Billick basically says as much on air

 

This has happened numerous times this year, and the INTs are falsely inflated.

[Connorbear]

False historians and statistical nerds will look at Cutler's INTs at the end of the year - just like the majority of the ignorant sports media who haven't watched the games - and they'll blame it all on Cutler. They'll say this was a horrible year for Cutler and he made a multitude of mistakes. They'll say the trade was ridiculously lopsided, and the Broncos basically robbed the Bears. But what they won't see is a slew of INTs that are not really Cutler's fault. This past game against the Packers just adds two more to the list.

 

INT #1 = Aromashodu runs the wrong way, Billick basically says as much on air

INT #2 = Knox runs the wrong way on an adjustment, hanging Cutler out to dry, Billick basically says as much on air

 

This has happened numerous times this year, and the INTs are falsely inflated.

Agreed. However, in the end, they are on Jay. He has not had a good year and he will be the 1st to admit it. Hopefully, we will mistakes like these decrease dramatically next yr as he develops a better repore with the receivers.

 

Peace

[flea]

False historians and statistical nerds will look at Cutler's INTs at the end of the year - just like the majority of the ignorant sports media who haven't watched the games - and they'll blame it all on Cutler. They'll say this was a horrible year for Cutler and he made a multitude of mistakes. They'll say the trade was ridiculously lopsided, and the Broncos basically robbed the Bears. But what they won't see is a slew of INTs that are not really Cutler's fault. This past game against the Packers just adds two more to the list.

 

INT #1 = Aromashodu runs the wrong way, Billick basically says as much on air

INT #2 = Knox runs the wrong way on an adjustment, hanging Cutler out to dry, Billick basically says as much on air

 

This has happened numerous times this year, and the INTs are falsely inflated.

 

 

Turner & Cutler have said it was on Cutler

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobears/post/..._medium=twitter

 

Was it Jay Cutler or Johnny Knox?

 

 

 

"Johnny Knox did well," Cutler said. "I just have to either throw it out of bounds or let it go sooner."

 

 

 

"They gave us a different look," Knox explained. "It looked like the corner was coming, but he didn't. He trailed behind me and just made a good play on the ball. I thought it was a two-man, so I tried to make a different adjustment, but we weren't able to hook up."

 

 

 

Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner broke the tie in the postgame locker room: it was a bad throw by the quarterback.

 

 

 

"They brought a corner blitz, and we had a protection called where we could pick it up," Turner said. "We anticipated that corner blitz, that time we didn't execute quite as well as we wanted to. And the ball was underthrown."

 

 

[chitownman]

I have been saying to everyone that I know and those I know who are Bronco fans that not all of the pics are Cutler's fault. Cutler's mechanics have taken a dramatic turn for the worse with Pep Hamilton and Ron Turner as his coaches. We need to have a coach who knows truthfully what the hell to do and not just allow for a QB to continue to forget what got him to the show in the first place.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

False historians and statistical nerds will look at Cutler's INTs at the end of the year - just like the majority of the ignorant sports media who haven't watched the games - and they'll blame it all on Cutler. They'll say this was a horrible year for Cutler and he made a multitude of mistakes. They'll say the trade was ridiculously lopsided, and the Broncos basically robbed the Bears. But what they won't see is a slew of INTs that are not really Cutler's fault. This past game against the Packers just adds two more to the list.

 

INT #1 = Aromashodu runs the wrong way, Billick basically says as much on air

INT #2 = Knox runs the wrong way on an adjustment, hanging Cutler out to dry, Billick basically says as much on air

 

This has happened numerous times this year, and the INTs are falsely inflated.

Thank you. And there has been a shitload of times this has happened. Just watch Jay on the field, he's cosntantly talking to his WR's and trying to explain them what they should be doing. Than you watch the replay and see that yep, Jay is right, the WR broke the wrong way and while to the untrained eye it easily looks like a terrible pass to no one, it really is the WR going the wrong way.

 

This has happened more on this team than I've ever seen in the NFL and it shoudln't come as a shock.

 

2 of the top 3 Wr's on this team had zero receptions entering the season (Bennett/Knox). And the other WR has about 2.5 years of experience at the position.

 

Basically put, we have three guys who don't know the nuances of the NFL game at the receiver position and while they can learn, they are so raw that it just kills our offense more often than it helps. I like the potential of Knox and love the strides he's made, think Devin has been pretty solid when you take into account his experience and that Bennett has the best hands but has trouble getting open. But add in all the blunders they've had and you are talking about a horrendous overall receiving corps as of now.

 

DA looked pretty good. Great body control, good hands, nice size. Give him more experience, move Hester who will never be a #1 and is more likely going to be a #3 or a solid #2, and sign a big-time WR.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Agreed. However, in the end, they are on Jay. He has not had a good year and he will be the 1st to admit it. Hopefully, we will mistakes like these decrease dramatically next yr as he develops a better repore with the receivers.

 

Peace

But when you look at the reality of the matter. He's had WR's running wrong routes all the time. No offensive line and one of the worse rushing attacks in the NFL.

 

Basically put, he's had no chance to succeed and I dont know how we've even won the number of games we have won. Yes it is frustrating to point out his multi-pick games, but even than, most of the picks were due to other factors.

 

He's had a few bad games, but so will every QB. The guy is getting so much shit and its such bullshit.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Turner & Cutler have said it was on Cutler

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobears/post/..._medium=twitter

 

Was it Jay Cutler or Johnny Knox?

 

 

 

"Johnny Knox did well," Cutler said. "I just have to either throw it out of bounds or let it go sooner."

 

 

 

"They gave us a different look," Knox explained. "It looked like the corner was coming, but he didn't. He trailed behind me and just made a good play on the ball. I thought it was a two-man, so I tried to make a different adjustment, but we weren't able to hook up."

 

 

 

Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner broke the tie in the postgame locker room: it was a bad throw by the quarterback.

 

 

 

"They brought a corner blitz, and we had a protection called where we could pick it up," Turner said. "We anticipated that corner blitz, that time we didn't execute quite as well as we wanted to. And the ball was underthrown."

That is because Jay has and will take responsibility. The guy hasn't thrown other guys under the bus even though other guys have made mistakes. I think he realizes how little experience he has and just has to deal with it and hope that the guys turn into something a year or two from now.

 

Knox made the wrong read and while Jay shouldn't have thrown the ball, you don't run a deep ball on a play where the corner is going to hit your QB. You adjust off the route and come back on the ball which it looks like Jay was expecting.

 

We'll never know for sure though.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I have been saying to everyone that I know and those I know who are Bronco fans that not all of the pics are Cutler's fault. Cutler's mechanics have taken a dramatic turn for the worse with Pep Hamilton and Ron Turner as his coaches. We need to have a coach who knows truthfully what the hell to do and not just allow for a QB to continue to forget what got him to the show in the first place.

His mechanics are the same. He's never had precise mechanics but he's so accurate anyway. Throwing off his back foot gets him into trouble, but he's one of the few QBs in the NFL that more often than not can still make something happen when he does it. Much like Favre.

[jason]

Turner & Cutler have said it was on Cutler

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobears/post/..._medium=twitter

 

Was it Jay Cutler or Johnny Knox?

 

"Johnny Knox did well," Cutler said. "I just have to either throw it out of bounds or let it go sooner."

 

"They gave us a different look," Knox explained. "It looked like the corner was coming, but he didn't. He trailed behind me and just made a good play on the ball. I thought it was a two-man, so I tried to make a different adjustment, but we weren't able to hook up."

 

Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner broke the tie in the postgame locker room: it was a bad throw by the quarterback.

 

"They brought a corner blitz, and we had a protection called where we could pick it up," Turner said. "We anticipated that corner blitz, that time we didn't execute quite as well as we wanted to. And the ball was underthrown."

 

Good post. Here's what I think of their quotes:

Blah blah blah

 

Of course Cutler will deflect. Of course Knox will deflect. And Turner is a moron who is more likely to throw Cutler under the bus - because he's a vet with thick skin - than Knox, who is a rookie.

 

There is a bit of truth to Knox's comments, however, and that is basically the fact that there was a "look" that was "different" and an "adjustment" was made during the play. Billick noted this as well, and his live game comments, which I can't recall exactly, made it seem as if it was obviously on the WR in that situation because the adjustment Knox made was essentially one that didn't make sense.

 

Now, could it also be a horribly designed scheme in which the adjustment doesn't make sense and Cutler threw it incorrectly, but correctly based upon the horribly designed scheme? Yeah, I could go with that as a probability.

[AZ54]

Turner said they had the right protection called on that play so it was Cutler's fault he under-threw the WR. Only question is if we had the right protection why did Cutler get run over on the play?

 

 

[defiantgiant]

Yeah, I really liked when I saw Cutler walking off the field after that pick. He wasn't slinking over to the bench or bitching to the refs, he got right with Knox and started going over the route. I don't usually like to get into the whole "body language" crap when it comes to analyzing players, but he didn't even look mad, he was just focused on talking over what to do next time with his rookie receiver. That's the kind of thing that makes me think he's going to be a good leader for the offense.

 

I mean, he's a guy who's going to throw some interceptions even under ideal circumstances. Even if we fix the o-line and he has a go-to receiver and the running game gets going, he's probably going to throw 12 picks a season. But that's fine, you can succeed that way, as long as the payoff is big enough. What we're seeing this season is a guy who was already a high-risk player, only now he's put in a situation where he can't succeed and he's trying to make things happen all by himself. When the protection's been good enough and his receivers have done the right thing, he's made some good plays. Even in that Urlacher interview where he was bitching about trading Orton, he made it clear how impressive Cutler can be (Urlacher was going nuts over that one TD to Knox.)

[jason]

Turner said they had the right protection called on that play so it was Cutler's fault he under-threw the WR. Only question is if we had the right protection why did Cutler get run over on the play?

 

LMAO! No doubt. Turner says the Bears had the right protection called, but I'm fairly certain that Cutler got blasted on that play. I don't believe a word Turner says. It could be 12 noon, mid-July, on a clear day in Arizona, and Turner could walk into my house and tell me that it was sunny outside. I'd go out and check.

[madlithuanian]

Well said...

 

Yeah, I really liked when I saw Cutler walking off the field after that pick. He wasn't slinking over to the bench or bitching to the refs, he got right with Knox and started going over the route. I don't usually like to get into the whole "body language" crap when it comes to analyzing players, but he didn't even look mad, he was just focused on talking over what to do next time with his rookie receiver. That's the kind of thing that makes me think he's going to be a good leader for the offense.

 

I mean, he's a guy who's going to throw some interceptions even under ideal circumstances. Even if we fix the o-line and he has a go-to receiver and the running game gets going, he's probably going to throw 12 picks a season. But that's fine, you can succeed that way, as long as the payoff is big enough. What we're seeing this season is a guy who was already a high-risk player, only now he's put in a situation where he can't succeed and he's trying to make things happen all by himself. When the protection's been good enough and his receivers have done the right thing, he's made some good plays. Even in that Urlacher interview where he was bitching about trading Orton, he made it clear how impressive Cutler can be (Urlacher was going nuts over that one TD to Knox.)

 

[BearFan2000]

someone during the game or in the postage made the comment about Jay not quite trusting the receivers to be where they should be and that he's forced to throw what he sees and not what he anticipates. General rule of thumb is that when a guy is open you waited too long to make the play. Defenses tend to close gaps and holes in the secondary fairly quickly... well, defenses other than the Bears ours just get progressively bigger as the play goes on. You watch Jay and he tends to hold the ball too long and throws when the receiver is open and that give defenses time to recover and make a play on the ball. He's so used to getting hit early that he feels pressure that really isn't there yet. I don't get the sense that he trusts either his line protection or his WR's not that I blame him. As mentioned earlier in the thread we basically have a bunch of guys who have limited action at WR in the NFL whether is a rookie like Knox, a second year player in Bennet who last year rarely saw the field, to DA who has bounced around a few teams practice squads and has seen little action, to a guy in Hester who's only been at the position for 2 1/2 years with no prior WR experience, and a QB who is new to his team and coaching staff. There is virtually no chemistry and that takes time before a QB works with his WR's enough that they can anticipate what the other is thinking and make the same reads. The NFL game is so fast that you need that chemistry in order to anticipate and right now we don't. Jay has been given little to work with, no blocking, no running game, lack of experience at WR, and bad coaching. He's been dealt a shitty hand and expected to win with it. Just not realistic and I admit I put too high of expectations on the offense this year as well as the defense who came into the season healthy but struggled from the get go. We can't just bring in a Franchise QB and magically expect that to solve all of our problems.

 

Honestly the season is over for all intents and purposes so at this point throw out the stats and use the remainder of the schedule to work on building that chemistry the pressure to win isn't there and the stats are ugly now so at this point who cares what they end up like at the end of the season. I like that Jay is taking the time to talk with his receivers and not get pissed at them or just sit and pout. It's almost like he's kind of moved on. Earlier in the season when things went pair shaped he seemed to sulk a little and his mannerisms could be interpreted as childish but Jay is a competitor and he wants to win so badly I'd me much more concerned if he acted like nothing wrong like some coach we know. Right now I think is his opportunity to step up and take control of his offense and be the leader they desperately need. While this season has been rocky at best sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can build it up. That's how it's been where I work. We had over 100 people May of 2008 and in a span of about 8 months we dropped to our current number which is 40 but the company is rebounding those of us that survived the tumultuous period have a certain bond and our company is stronger now for it. Sometimes the toughest seasons can build the strongest bonds and team chemistry. I don't foresee major changes to the Bears this offseason outside of OL possibly adding a WR with experience, and hopefully new coaching. I look for our WR corp and Jay to continue to develop with a full offseason, OTAs, mini-camps, camp and preseason.

['TD']

Jim Miller broke it down pretty good after the game and said both were on Cutler. On Devin's play it was sorta boths fault, but he wasn't open and the throw shouldn't have been made. On Knox's int, he looked back and Cutler should have thrown the ball if he was supposed to cut in at that point. He hadn't so Knox kept on running his route.

 

Even if the WR ran the wrong route on these, the guy is covered by his man and the guy that caught the ball cutler through and made them ill advised passes

[jason]

General rule of thumb is that when a guy is open you waited too long to make the play. Defenses tend to close gaps and holes in the secondary fairly quickly... well, defenses other than the Bears ours just get progressively bigger as the play goes on.

 

QFT. Especially on third down and long.

[defiantgiant]

Yeah, I think a lot of it is chemistry, but I also wonder whether Cutler's used to having a receiver who can bail him out when he makes a poor throw. I mean, Brandon Marshall's a giant receiver and he consistently fights defensive backs for the ball. I imagine it's much easier for a quarterback to put the ball out of a defender's reach when he can take advantage of a size/strength mismatch like Marshall. Olsen was supposed to give us that mismatch this season, but he just hasn't...I think a lot of what we're seeing this season comes down to Olsen not being the receiving threat that Marshall was, which leaves Cutler with no go-to guy. Olsen's got comparable size, and probably even comparable speed, but he's nowhere near as physical with defenders as Marshall is, so Cutler can't just chuck it to him under pressure and trust him to go get it. And we don't have a guy like that in the receiver corps, either: Bennett's a reliable possession guy, but he's not going to outfight a corner for the ball like Marshall does, and he doesn't have the size or vertical to handle jump balls the way Marshall can.

 

As much as I think the receivers have exceeded expectations, there's a reason that most teams have at least wideout who's bigger and stronger than a defensive back, and who can go up and get a high pass. If Arrelious Benn were to fall into the second round (which is at least possible, considering his down season and the other receivers declaring this year) I think the Bears could take a serious look at trading up to get him. Danario Alexander from Missouri might be another option, and he could be around in the 3rd. As much as I like the Bears' receivers, it might just be that Cutler needs a Brandon Marshall/Anquan Boldin type of receiver as a safety valve.