Great Article on DA

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Good article on DA

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...6.column?page=2

[NAMEDSONPAYTON2]

Good article on DA

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...6.column?page=2

 

You really don't know why we did not see him sooner, or were you being sarcastic? The reason is this orginization does not know how to evaluate. Just about ever player that comes here regresses and just about every player that leaves here gets better. Brian Cox, Eddie Kennison, C. Benson, J. Cutler, Dave Kreig, Gandy, Orton, etc. There are so many that I have thought of in the past, but cannot remember them at this moment.

[madlithuanian]

In gerneral you are correct...but Cox, Kennison and Krieg were all on their way to retirement when they came here... So they didn't really regress per se...just shouldn't have been brought in becasue they were too old...like Pace. Which is a seperate, yet similar problem to what you were mentioning.

 

You really don't know why we did not see him sooner, or were you being sarcastic? The reason is this orginization does not know how to evaluate. Just about ever player that comes here regresses and just about every player that leaves here gets better. Brian Cox, Eddie Kennison, C. Benson, J. Cutler, Dave Kreig, Gandy, Orton, etc. There are so many that I have thought of in the past, but cannot remember them at this moment.

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I reailze they couldn't judge talent. But Angelo/Smith had nothing to do with most of the guys you mentioned?

 

And I'd disagree with you on Orton. He isn't any better of a QB in Denver (With more weapons) than he was last year in Chicago. He's a mediocre QB whom the Bears actually got quite a bit out of given his draft status.

[NAMEDSONPAYTON2]

I reailze they couldn't judge talent. But Angelo/Smith had nothing to do with most of the guys you mentioned?

 

And I'd disagree with you on Orton. He isn't any better of a QB in Denver (With more weapons) than he was last year in Chicago. He's a mediocre QB whom the Bears actually got quite a bit out of given his draft status.

Orton never had weapons in Chicago.Orton has never had a loosing record.Cutler has a loosing record in the nfl

[NAMEDSONPAYTON2]

I reailze they couldn't judge talent. But Angelo/Smith had nothing to do with most of the guys you mentioned?

 

And I'd disagree with you on Orton. He isn't any better of a QB in Denver (With more weapons) than he was last year in Chicago. He's a mediocre QB whom the Bears actually got quite a bit out of given his draft status.

I said this orginization not Lovie and angelo

[defiantgiant]

I think Lovie and Angelo have finally figured out that there's no way they're making the playoffs, and they're in full-on talent evaluation mode. There's some question about whether Hester will play against Baltimore, and Aromashodu might get another chance at a start. Also, they just cut Cato June and brought that BC offensive tackle James Marten up from the practice squad. Apparently they're going to get him active on game days before the end of the season.

 

I'm all for this, to be honest. However unlikely it might be, if there's some chance this guy can contribute, the team needs to get a look at him. The same goes for Aromashodu and Gilbert - we need to get these guys some reps so we can figure out what we've got.

[jason]

I think Lovie and Angelo have finally figured out that there's no way they're making the playoffs, and they're in full-on talent evaluation mode. There's some question about whether Hester will play against Baltimore, and Aromashodu might get another chance at a start. Also, they just cut Cato June and brought that BC offensive tackle James Marten up from the practice squad. Apparently they're going to get him active on game days before the end of the season.

 

I'm all for this, to be honest. However unlikely it might be, if there's some chance this guy can contribute, the team needs to get a look at him. The same goes for Aromashodu and Gilbert - we need to get these guys some reps so we can figure out what we've got.

 

I'm also in favor of it, but it's WAY too late. You don't wait until you're sinking in a rowboat to look for a bucket.

[jason]

This article does a good job of stoking the coals. Simply put, Lovie and the staff make horrible personnel decisions time and time again. This has been gone over multiple times on this board, but the Bears organization for the past few regimes has been guilty of this as well. Most players that leave the Bears end up doing better, if even only slightly. And most players who come to the Bears, end up doing worse. It's a culture problem, period.

 

The biggest indictment on this staff will be the last few games. If they continue to activate players who aren't making massive contributions (read: Davis-WR, every DT, etc.) while keeping unknown, potentially solid players (read: Aromashodu, Gilbert) on the bench, then they're too incompetent to even begin to discuss.

[ChileBear]

I think Lovie and Angelo have finally figured out that there's no way they're making the playoffs, and they're in full-on talent evaluation mode. There's some question about whether Hester will play against Baltimore, and Aromashodu might get another chance at a start. Also, they just cut Cato June and brought that BC offensive tackle James Marten up from the practice squad. Apparently they're going to get him active on game days before the end of the season.

 

I'm all for this, to be honest. However unlikely it might be, if there's some chance this guy can contribute, the team needs to get a look at him. The same goes for Aromashodu and Gilbert - we need to get these guys some reps so we can figure out what we've got.

I guess Cato was just insurance last week with Briggs out. I sure hope we get to see some of these unproven players getting a chance to show what they have to offer.

[defiantgiant]

I'm also in favor of it, but it's WAY too late. You don't wait until you're sinking in a rowboat to look for a bucket.

Yeah, it's way too late for this season, and maybe for Turner/Lovie/Angelo's jobs, but I'm still glad they're evaluating the young guys if it means we can come away with even one starter at one of the major need positions. And it helps that Boston College linemen have a ridiculous track record...they've sent at least one starting lineman to the NFL basically every year since the mid-90s:

1994 - Tom Nalen, OC, Broncos (5 Pro Bowls)

1996 - Pete Kendall, OG, Seahawks/Jets

1999 - Damien Woody, G/C, Patriots/Jets (1 Pro Bowl)

1999 - Doug Brzezinski, OG, Eagles/Panthers

2001 - Paul Zukauskas, OG, Browns

2002 - Marc Colombo, RT, Bears/Cowboys

2003 - Dan Koppen, OC, Patriots (1 Pro Bowl)

2004 - Chris Snee, OG, Giants (1 Pro Bowl)

2006 - Jeremy Trueblood, RT, Buccaneers

2007 - Josh Beekman, G/C, Bears

2008 - Gosder Cherilus, RT, Lions

 

In that same time period, I only count two drafted BC offensive linemen who didn't start for an NFL team at some point. So if history's any indication, Marten's got a good pedigree. Also, the guy has been with one team that had a ton of talent ahead of him (Dallas) and another that has some of the worst talent evaluation in the league (Oakland) so I'm hopeful that there's at least a chance that he's decent.