fudgeripple2000 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 One week all signs point to ditching Lovie. Next week we are keeping him regardless of the record. Now Angelo says that he will evaluate himself as well as lovie at the end of the season. Maybe I am just projecting, but I think that with this loss and crap performance in Baltimore and the likely blowout with Minnesota (in chicago) with the possibility of losing to Detroit (played well against Arizona), leaving us at 5-11, that the team will clean house. Angelo did say that money wasn't an issue. He just wants wins. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=4759793 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 He's setting the stage. Combine that with the reach out to Cowler and thing look interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownman Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 If Angelo has any brains at all and realizes that he has failed in his decision making on player personnel, then he should resign right now and make it easier for the McCaskey's to move forward without such a problematic evaluator. Angelo leaves, Smith in turn gets fired and you bring in Cowher to take over would be the most excellent way to show this City and the fans that back this team that the McCaskeys are finally listening to the people that help to make them money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear trap Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 If Angelo has any brains at all and realizes that he has failed in his decision making on player personnel, then he should resign right now and make it easier for the McCaskey's to move forward without such a problematic evaluator. Angelo leaves, Smith in turn gets fired and you bring in Cowher to take over would be the most excellent way to show this City and the fans that back this team that the McCaskeys are finally listening to the people that help to make them money. This says it all and I think lovie has to go no questions asked especially when the blog writer on the team's main site says this: I don't know what's going to happen after the season, but this is the kind of game that gets people fired. "Larry Mayer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 If Angelo has any brains at all and realizes that he has failed in his decision making on player personnel, then he should resign right now and make it easier for the McCaskey's to move forward without such a problematic evaluator. Angelo leaves, Smith in turn gets fired and you bring in Cowher to take over would be the most excellent way to show this City and the fans that back this team that the McCaskeys are finally listening to the people that help to make them money. Haha. Being evaluated by Angelo. That means hell get another exstension... wut a joke... Im very close to being a Charger fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Things would be different if we ended up 5-11 but were in every game and played hard and were over matched we have been blown out badly how many times? Our wins haven't felt like wins, and you have to be blind to not see what a total disaster this team is from top to bottom. If Angelo is honest in his assessment of himself he should resign but I doubt he'll be that hard on himself which makes me think shouldn't someone else be the one to evaluate Jerry, Lovie, and Ron? That's like asking a cheater to grade his own paper. He's not stupid, he knows the hatred that the fan base has for Lovie and Ron and my bet is that if he does in fact cut Lovie and his staff that he will hope that appeases the fans. But his player evaluations and drafting issues are well known and Documented. The question becomes if Lovie and his staff get the axe what are the odds that Jerry does as well? If Lovie and his staff are axed but Jerry stays and brings in Cower with his friend to help with player evaluation and drafting could this work would Jerry be willing to share the management of the team? The reality is this situation can't just be blown off and if you bring back Lovie but cut Ron, who are you going to get with any credibility as OC to work for a lame duck coach? Same can be said for a defensive coordinator. If Lovie stays next year and then gets canned a new coach will want to bring in his guys and you will have a franchise QB who needs stability having 3 different coordinators in three seasons. The hard right decision here is to make a commitment to wining and bring in a new staff and possibly new GM. And a real hard look at the roster and start to rebuild this team. I'm not defending Angelo but if you have an idiot for a head coach and twiddle de and twiddle dumb are your idiot coaches coordinators who have a combined IQ big enough to possibly tie their shoes it could be said that it wouldn't matter who you draft or bring in. If your staff has no ability to develop and utilize talent then it becomes tough to truly evaluate talent that a GM drafts or brings in. But the flip side is there are moves that Angelo has made that just make you scratch your head. I don't know right now there are so many questions swirling around in my head bout the Bears that I honestly don't know what to think anymore. If we were to bring in Cower and still suck then what? In some ways I seriously think this team is cursed and wonder if they'll ever get it right. After watching todays game, first thought was.... "there's 3 hours I won't get back" I don't know why I even bother watching this train wreck of a team, is it morbid curiosity? Normally a game like this would make me mad and want to throw projectiles at the TV but I don't even get mad anymore because this is what I've come to expect from the Bears. So the turnover machine that is our offense no longer surprises me. The only question now when we get the ball is will we punt or will we turn it over and on a good looking drive what will we do to screw it up, will it be penalties or a turnover. Every once in a while they surprise me and locate the end zone but forget to draw themselves a map so they can find it again later. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 i asked the question what would it take to get Lovie fired about 3 to 4 weeks ago(i think). I said he would have to lose out. it looks like that could happen. i think with the way the Bears have played this year Lovie has to be fired!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I really hope we lose to Detroit because then you have to fire Lovie. I wouldn't put it past us to lose either. With Cutler playing the way he's playing an our lack of talent, Detroit could and will give us a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 i asked the question what would it take to get Lovie fired about 3 to 4 weeks ago(i think). I said he would have to lose out. it looks like that could happen. i think with the way the Bears have played this year Lovie has to be fired!! I'm not getting my hopes up. Remember how long Matt Millen stuck around as GM in Detroit when it was obvious to the rest of the world that he was far more talented in the broadcast booth. I'll bet if they anonymously pass a hat in the Bears locker room for the fire Lovie fund, they could raise a few million. I'm sure the ratings for Bears games have dropped and the networks too happy about it either so they will add to the hat too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I'm not getting my hopes up. Remember how long Matt Millen stuck around as GM in Detroit when it was obvious to the rest of the world that he was far more talented in the broadcast booth. I'll bet if they anonymously pass a hat in the Bears locker room for the fire Lovie fund, they could raise a few million. I'm sure the ratings for Bears games have dropped and the networks too happy about it either so they will add to the hat too. Also with the Bears, it's all about money. I'm sure the family sees paraphinalia sales dropping in comparison to other teams. It all depends on the numbers and projected numbers if they raise hopes by firing Lovie. Remember as well, they probably won't have to eat Lovie's whole contract. He'll more than likely negotiate a settlement so he can coach elsewhere. He's definately not broadcast booth material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Also with the Bears, it's all about money. I'm sure the family sees paraphinalia sales dropping in comparison to other teams. It all depends on the numbers and projected numbers if they raise hopes by firing Lovie. Remember as well, they probably won't have to eat Lovie's whole contract. He'll more than likely negotiate a settlement so he can coach elsewhere. He's definately not broadcast booth material. Now that's a hilarious thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Now that's a hilarious thought! Wouldn't you just throw something through your TV?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Man, that would be nice! If Angelo has any brains at all and realizes that he has failed in his decision making on player personnel, then he should resign right now and make it easier for the McCaskey's to move forward without such a problematic evaluator. Angelo leaves, Smith in turn gets fired and you bring in Cowher to take over would be the most excellent way to show this City and the fans that back this team that the McCaskeys are finally listening to the people that help to make them money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Great points... Hoe this unfolds will truly be the only thing worthwhile in this horrid season. Things would be different if we ended up 5-11 but were in every game and played hard and were over matched we have been blown out badly how many times? Our wins haven't felt like wins, and you have to be blind to not see what a total disaster this team is from top to bottom. If Angelo is honest in his assessment of himself he should resign but I doubt he'll be that hard on himself which makes me think shouldn't someone else be the one to evaluate Jerry, Lovie, and Ron? That's like asking a cheater to grade his own paper. He's not stupid, he knows the hatred that the fan base has for Lovie and Ron and my bet is that if he does in fact cut Lovie and his staff that he will hope that appeases the fans. But his player evaluations and drafting issues are well known and Documented. The question becomes if Lovie and his staff get the axe what are the odds that Jerry does as well? If Lovie and his staff are axed but Jerry stays and brings in Cower with his friend to help with player evaluation and drafting could this work would Jerry be willing to share the management of the team? The reality is this situation can't just be blown off and if you bring back Lovie but cut Ron, who are you going to get with any credibility as OC to work for a lame duck coach? Same can be said for a defensive coordinator. If Lovie stays next year and then gets canned a new coach will want to bring in his guys and you will have a franchise QB who needs stability having 3 different coordinators in three seasons. The hard right decision here is to make a commitment to wining and bring in a new staff and possibly new GM. And a real hard look at the roster and start to rebuild this team. I'm not defending Angelo but if you have an idiot for a head coach and twiddle de and twiddle dumb are your idiot coaches coordinators who have a combined IQ big enough to possibly tie their shoes it could be said that it wouldn't matter who you draft or bring in. If your staff has no ability to develop and utilize talent then it becomes tough to truly evaluate talent that a GM drafts or brings in. But the flip side is there are moves that Angelo has made that just make you scratch your head. I don't know right now there are so many questions swirling around in my head bout the Bears that I honestly don't know what to think anymore. If we were to bring in Cower and still suck then what? In some ways I seriously think this team is cursed and wonder if they'll ever get it right. After watching todays game, first thought was.... "there's 3 hours I won't get back" I don't know why I even bother watching this train wreck of a team, is it morbid curiosity? Normally a game like this would make me mad and want to throw projectiles at the TV but I don't even get mad anymore because this is what I've come to expect from the Bears. So the turnover machine that is our offense no longer surprises me. The only question now when we get the ball is will we punt or will we turn it over and on a good looking drive what will we do to screw it up, will it be penalties or a turnover. Every once in a while they surprise me and locate the end zone but forget to draw themselves a map so they can find it again later. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 They could get him cheap. Card board cutout is all that's needed... Wouldn't you just throw something through your TV?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtHomeBoy_2000 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Terry Boers is giving out some VERY interesting stuff about the possibility of Lovie and or Jerry getting fired on the Score right now. He talked to his contact in the Bears on Saturday. Basically, a very important McCaskey wants Lovie gone, but a group of the lesser influential types wants him to stay (however, they want to see how the last three games went). And it looks like that if Lovie goes, so does Jerry. Jerry has no idea on what side of the fence to be... fire Lovie, or keep Lovie. He has no authority to fire Lovie without approval from the upper upper levels of management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Interesting. I've been listening on line... I think JA needs to make the power play and axe Smith. If not, he's definitley gone as well. If not this year, then in the next few... Bringing in a real coach could save Angelo's career here. If I were him, I'd do it today. Terry Boers is giving out some VERY interesting stuff about the possibility of Lovie and or Jerry getting fired on the Score right now. He talked to his contact in the Bears on Saturday. Basically, a very important McCaskey wants Lovie gone, but a group of the lesser influential types wants him to stay (however, they want to see how the last three games went). And it looks like that if Lovie goes, so does Jerry. Jerry has no idea on what side of the fence to be... fire Lovie, or keep Lovie. He has no authority to fire Lovie without approval from the upper upper levels of management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Angelo's only chance is getting behind the idea of a new coach. If he says Lovie needs to stay than I think he'll be gone. He might be gone either way, but the writing is on the wall and to me, Lovie will be gone. You don't get blown-out as much as the Bears have and keep a coach. Absolutely, no way, no how. This team has quit and I expect far more comments ripping the coaching staff to come from players in the up-coming week. The worse thing that could happen to the Bears is for them to fluke out a couple wins late in the season as those wins might save Lovie his job. I'd put Lovie's chances of staying at around 25% and Jerry's at 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Haha. Being evaluated by Angelo. That means hell get another exstension... wut a joke... Im very close to being a Charger fan Pathetic. Than go be a CHarger fan. I don't care what shit this franchise runs out, it is still my team and I'll always support them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Terry Boers is giving out some VERY interesting stuff about the possibility of Lovie and or Jerry getting fired on the Score right now. He talked to his contact in the Bears on Saturday. Basically, a very important McCaskey wants Lovie gone, but a group of the lesser influential types wants him to stay (however, they want to see how the last three games went). And it looks like that if Lovie goes, so does Jerry. Jerry has no idea on what side of the fence to be... fire Lovie, or keep Lovie. He has no authority to fire Lovie without approval from the upper upper levels of management. I would have to think an important McCaskey would win out over a group of less influential types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Interesting. I've been listening on line... I think JA needs to make the power play and axe Smith. If not, he's definitley gone as well. If not this year, then in the next few... Bringing in a real coach could save Angelo's career here. If I were him, I'd do it today. The above is the only way Jerry saves his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 You don't get blown-out as much as the Bears have and keep a coach. Absolutely, no way, no how. This team has quit and I expect far more comments ripping the coaching staff to come from players in the up-coming week. Honestly not sure I expect this. The players like Lovie. Lovie runs a player friendly environment, and none want a coach like Cowher coming in and making their lives hell. Even now, as I read comments from Kreutz, Briggs and others, they seem to point more to Angelo than to Lovie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Agreed. Why would these players want to get rid of the country club? All appear satisfied since their wallets were fattened by the guy they want to oust... You don't get blown-out as much as the Bears have and keep a coach. Absolutely, no way, no how. This team has quit and I expect far more comments ripping the coaching staff to come from players in the up-coming week. Honestly not sure I expect this. The players like Lovie. Lovie runs a player friendly environment, and none want a coach like Cowher coming in and making their lives hell. Even now, as I read comments from Kreutz, Briggs and others, they seem to point more to Angelo than to Lovie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I would have to think an important McCaskey would win out over a group of less influential types. I just wonder if that important McCaskey is in fact Virginia. She's the closest we've got to Papa Bear and she may feel it's time to step up and not let this team that her Father built be flushed further down the crapper. Someone in this organization needs to put their foot down and end this. The though of Jerry pulling a power play at first to me sounded absurd but it really does make sense and really would be the best last ditch effort to save his own skin. What do gain by letting Smith continue this charade for two more games? What more could we lose by axing him now? There's two games left on the schedule but the team quit trying 5 weeks ago. So what if we let an interim coach handle the remaining two games and we loose out... it's not like we'll do better than split them at best anyway. Besides even if we do split them (Lions win, Vikings loss) we still end up 6-10 and aren't going anywhere anyway. We could use these two weeks to aggressively pursue a real coaching candidate like Cower. Sure Lovie runs a country club, and bringing in a guy like Cower would not sit well right away but I think once players see that the team is committed to winning and that a guy like Cower could provide that kind of leadership players will start to buy in. The ones that want to be lazy and not work can be shown the nearest exit as they are part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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