If BFU is successful with their efforts.....

[Pixote]

If BearFansUnited.org are successful what would you do?

 

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

He brought in Cutler. He signed Pace who we all felt would be a great improvement over St Clair (little did we know). He brought in several other OLmen trying to beef up the OL. Was he successful, no, but he did make an attempt to fix a problem and I am sure he will address it again this off season. He tried to go after a #1 WR in Boldin.

 

He has done a good job of finding players for our coaching staff to work with. The problem has been, as we have all said, our coaching staff does not know how to utilize & develop players they are given to work with. They do not know how to make up a good game plan. They do not know how to call a game on offense or defense.

 

So if we retain Phillips, JA, Cliff Stein, the Scouting Staff, etc... we are talking a whole lot less cash involved to dump Lovie and bring in a new group to pull us out of the quagmire we are currently in.

 

So who do we replace Lovie with that will not coat us 25+ million (which Virginia & family could not afford after eating 11 Million from Lovie's deal?

 

Here are a few suggestions I would offer: (in no particular order)

 

Dick LeBeau of the Steelers

 

Dom Capers of Green Bay

 

Jason Garrett of Dallas

 

Russ Grimm of Arizona

 

I am sure there are many other you may want. These are 4 I certainly feel would be excellent candidates. Who would you recommend the Bears consider?

[BearSox]

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

The organization is loaded with money. Firing Lovie and spending another 5 million a year on a coach is nothing for the family. They're just extremely cheap.

[brletich]

PFT has a story up that Shanahan is "very interested" in the Bears HC job, and will even coexist with JA as long as Shanny has final say...Not likely to happen though, and even PFT says that he is trying to drum up another bidder to drive up the price Snyder will end up paying with the Skins.

[fudgeripple2000]

I would much rather have Cowher. But with Shannahan you don't have to change over as much and he will bring with him that zone blocking scheme that makes mediocre running backs look awesome. As a coach though, if I had a choice between working for Snyder or the McClaskeys I would evaluate things. With Snyder I would get paid a boat load but I would probably be fired in two years. With the McClaskeys there wouldn't be as much up front but they will keep me around for longer even if I don't do well. With Chicago it is a top tier market. With Washington I could have tour the white house anytime I wanted. Decisions, decisions...

[AZ54]

If BearFansUnited.org are successful what would you do?

 

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

He brought in Cutler. He signed Pace who we all felt would be a great improvement over St Clair (little did we know). He brought in several other OLmen trying to beef up the OL. Was he successful, no, but he did make an attempt to fix a problem and I am sure he will address it again this off season. He tried to go after a #1 WR in Boldin.

 

He has done a good job of finding players for our coaching staff to work with. The problem has been, as we have all said, our coaching staff does not know how to utilize & develop players they are given to work with. They do not know how to make up a good game plan. They do not know how to call a game on offense or defense.

 

So if we retain Phillips, JA, Cliff Stein, the Scouting Staff, etc... we are talking a whole lot less cash involved to dump Lovie and bring in a new group to pull us out of the quagmire we are currently in.

 

So who do we replace Lovie with that will not coat us 25+ million (which Virginia & family could not afford after eating 11 Million from Lovie's deal?

 

Here are a few suggestions I would offer: (in no particular order)

 

Dick LeBeau of the Steelers

 

Dom Capers of Green Bay

 

Jason Garrett of Dallas

 

Russ Grimm of Arizona

 

I am sure there are many other you may want. These are 4 I certainly feel would be excellent candidates. Who would you recommend the Bears consider?

 

I think Grimm deserves consideration. I'd also like to see Jim Harbaugh in the mix and I like the idea of Heimerdinger as per the other thread.

 

LeBeau is too old and likes what he does too much to leave. He'll finish his career there in Pittsburgh.

 

Capers I'm not too interested in. He's done well as a DC but not as a head coach. Some guys are like that, even Mike Nolan after failing as a head coach is doing well again as a DC.

 

Garrett. I hate the Cowboys and pretty much everything and everyone involved in the organization. I can say that we salvaged Ditka from there so perhaps there is another golden nugget worth looking at down there.

[LT2_3]

If BearFansUnited.org are successful what would you do?

 

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

He brought in Cutler. He signed Pace who we all felt would be a great improvement over St Clair (little did we know). He brought in several other OLmen trying to beef up the OL. Was he successful, no, but he did make an attempt to fix a problem and I am sure he will address it again this off season. He tried to go after a #1 WR in Boldin.

 

He has done a good job of finding players for our coaching staff to work with. The problem has been, as we have all said, our coaching staff does not know how to utilize & develop players they are given to work with. They do not know how to make up a good game plan. They do not know how to call a game on offense or defense.

 

So if we retain Phillips, JA, Cliff Stein, the Scouting Staff, etc... we are talking a whole lot less cash involved to dump Lovie and bring in a new group to pull us out of the quagmire we are currently in.

 

So who do we replace Lovie with that will not coat us 25+ million (which Virginia & family could not afford after eating 11 Million from Lovie's deal?

 

Here are a few suggestions I would offer: (in no particular order)

 

Dick LeBeau of the Steelers

 

Dom Capers of Green Bay

 

Jason Garrett of Dallas

 

Russ Grimm of Arizona

 

I am sure there are many other you may want. These are 4 I certainly feel would be excellent candidates. Who would you recommend the Bears consider?

 

Pix - I haven't been around lately, but I have to encourage anyone thinking of donating to take a closer look at the situation. I saw on another board that someone I trust (by the integrity of his posts) that he knows the guy in charge of the operation personally and he wouldn't trust this guy with any money.

 

The fact that they say on their webpage: "With a donation to Bears Fans United you can finally have your opinions heard." That sounds like a come on to me if I've ever heard one.

 

That being said, I really don't have much of an opinion on a new coach. I don't think we can afford the "name' guys out here at this time.

 

I really wouldn't be surprised if Angelo forces new coordinators and Lovie along with a bunch new position coaches.

[nfoligno]

Disagree on a couple points.

 

One. You said you do not fault JA. Why? You mention his adding Pace, and say that while it didn't turn out well, was seen as an improvement. I disagree. My own opinions aside, I don't recall many (outside of fans) thinking much of this move. We were the only team in the league that looked at Pace and felt he could still play LT. Balt thought he could still play, but at RT. As for the rest of the OL, just because he did "something" doesn't mean we should not hold him accountable when those moves do not work.

 

Look over his drafts. The players just are not there. He has drafted too many players that didn't workout, and made it worse by poor FA signings.

 

I too have wondered in the past whether the problem was the GM not adding talent for the coach to work w/, or the coach not utilizing the talent the GM added. I think it is a combo of both, but don't think either has done well enough to escape blame here.

 

Two, You said the family does not have the money to eat the contracts AND hire a big name. I disagree again. Now, they may not do it, but I think they do have the money if they want to. It was one thing before the new stadium deal, but thanks to Phillip's, the ownership does have the money to play on the same level as the rest of the big boys. That doesn't mean they will, but I question saying they don't have the money to do it.

 

As for your list, with regard to Jason Garret, HELL NO! He was set to take over in Dallas, but his star has fallen, and he has simply not done a whole lot. I would be sick if we added him.

 

Neither Capers, nor LeBeau seemed to do well as HCs. Both thrive as DCs, but isn't that the problem we have w/ Lovie? I don't want another DC who has already been given a shot as a HC and not run with it.

 

I like Grimm.

 

Honestly, I am still hoping for a total shakeup. I have no love for Lovie, but IMHO, Angelo has been just as bad. He has done a poor job of bringing talent to this team, both in the draft and FA. Lovie has done little to nothing to develop what Angelo did bring in, but in my eyes, what JA has added has simply been too little.

 

This team sucks, and frankly, is not even close. I think we need a total overhaul. That means GM, scouts, coaches, and numerous players as well.

 

If BearFansUnited.org are successful what would you do?

 

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

He brought in Cutler. He signed Pace who we all felt would be a great improvement over St Clair (little did we know). He brought in several other OLmen trying to beef up the OL. Was he successful, no, but he did make an attempt to fix a problem and I am sure he will address it again this off season. He tried to go after a #1 WR in Boldin.

 

He has done a good job of finding players for our coaching staff to work with. The problem has been, as we have all said, our coaching staff does not know how to utilize & develop players they are given to work with. They do not know how to make up a good game plan. They do not know how to call a game on offense or defense.

 

So if we retain Phillips, JA, Cliff Stein, the Scouting Staff, etc... we are talking a whole lot less cash involved to dump Lovie and bring in a new group to pull us out of the quagmire we are currently in.

 

So who do we replace Lovie with that will not coat us 25+ million (which Virginia & family could not afford after eating 11 Million from Lovie's deal?

 

Here are a few suggestions I would offer: (in no particular order)

 

Dick LeBeau of the Steelers

 

Dom Capers of Green Bay

 

Jason Garrett of Dallas

 

Russ Grimm of Arizona

 

I am sure there are many other you may want. These are 4 I certainly feel would be excellent candidates. Who would you recommend the Bears consider?

 

['TD']

Disagree on a couple points.

 

One. You said you do not fault JA. Why? You mention his adding Pace, and say that while it didn't turn out well, was seen as an improvement. I disagree. My own opinions aside, I don't recall many (outside of fans) thinking much of this move. We were the only team in the league that looked at Pace and felt he could still play LT. Balt thought he could still play, but at RT. As for the rest of the OL, just because he did "something" doesn't mean we should not hold him accountable when those moves do not work.

 

Look over his drafts. The players just are not there. He has drafted too many players that didn't workout, and made it worse by poor FA signings.

 

I too have wondered in the past whether the problem was the GM not adding talent for the coach to work w/, or the coach not utilizing the talent the GM added. I think it is a combo of both, but don't think either has done well enough to escape blame here.

 

Two, You said the family does not have the money to eat the contracts AND hire a big name. I disagree again. Now, they may not do it, but I think they do have the money if they want to. It was one thing before the new stadium deal, but thanks to Phillip's, the ownership does have the money to play on the same level as the rest of the big boys. That doesn't mean they will, but I question saying they don't have the money to do it.

 

As for your list, with regard to Jason Garret, HELL NO! He was set to take over in Dallas, but his star has fallen, and he has simply not done a whole lot. I would be sick if we added him.

 

Neither Capers, nor LeBeau seemed to do well as HCs. Both thrive as DCs, but isn't that the problem we have w/ Lovie? I don't want another DC who has already been given a shot as a HC and not run with it.

 

I like Grimm.

 

Honestly, I am still hoping for a total shakeup. I have no love for Lovie, but IMHO, Angelo has been just as bad. He has done a poor job of bringing talent to this team, both in the draft and FA. Lovie has done little to nothing to develop what Angelo did bring in, but in my eyes, what JA has added has simply been too little.

 

This team sucks, and frankly, is not even close. I think we need a total overhaul. That means GM, scouts, coaches, and numerous players as well.

 

Agreed. Angelo quite simply has not brought in players needed for this team to succeed.

 

IMO, even if Lovie was not given the tools to succeed, he has proven his ineptitude as a coach in many other areas. Once the outside influence on his defense was taken from his defense it has steadily declined and became it's worst this year as Smith took over playcalling. His clock management is bad. He can't win a challenge to save his life. What may be the biggest thing is the he has lost this team. Not to mention, Lovie is in control of who he has on his staff including Turner.

 

I really blame the state of the team as 75 % Angelo and 25 % Lovie. Even with Shannahan or Cower, this is at best a .500 team. More talent on the team and even Lovie could have them in the play offs.

[AZ54]

I read this morning that after he got his new contract Lovie had just as much power as JA in personnel.

 

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0.column?page=2

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And it is not out of the question that Angelo's recommendation may not be heeded.

 

When the Bears signed Smith to a contract extension in 2007, there was a power shift in the organization. Smith went from Angelo's subordinate to his virtual equal. So should Smith get a pink slip, it is a certainty that more than one set of fingerprints will be on it.

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That opens the debate over who really is responsible for some of the poor personnel decisions. Not to absolve Angelo but it might not be as clear as we think on the personnel side.

 

 

['TD']

I have to say I was ignorant to that. I took it from Angelo's press conference before the Raven's game that he had control over the players but listened to Lovie's take and Lovie had control over his staff but listened to Angelo's take.

[madlithuanian]

Of the lot you mention, only Grimm really interests me. Too many retreads and Garrett isn't living up to the hype machine.

 

If BearFansUnited.org are successful what would you do?

 

The family does not have the money to eat the contracts of Lovie and JA AND hire a big name (Shanahan or ???) to take charge. I personally do not fault JA for our problems.

 

He brought in Cutler. He signed Pace who we all felt would be a great improvement over St Clair (little did we know). He brought in several other OLmen trying to beef up the OL. Was he successful, no, but he did make an attempt to fix a problem and I am sure he will address it again this off season. He tried to go after a #1 WR in Boldin.

 

He has done a good job of finding players for our coaching staff to work with. The problem has been, as we have all said, our coaching staff does not know how to utilize & develop players they are given to work with. They do not know how to make up a good game plan. They do not know how to call a game on offense or defense.

 

So if we retain Phillips, JA, Cliff Stein, the Scouting Staff, etc... we are talking a whole lot less cash involved to dump Lovie and bring in a new group to pull us out of the quagmire we are currently in.

 

So who do we replace Lovie with that will not coat us 25+ million (which Virginia & family could not afford after eating 11 Million from Lovie's deal?

 

Here are a few suggestions I would offer: (in no particular order)

 

Dick LeBeau of the Steelers

 

Dom Capers of Green Bay

 

Jason Garrett of Dallas

 

Russ Grimm of Arizona

 

I am sure there are many other you may want. These are 4 I certainly feel would be excellent candidates. Who would you recommend the Bears consider?

 

[nfoligno]

I like Grimm, but even with him, I think we have to be careful.

 

I do not believe it is a mistake adding a HC who has not been a HC before. Look around the league. It is not just something cheap teams do. It is something many do, and often w/ very good results. But if you are going to add a new HC who does not have prior HC experience, I think it is important to surround him w/ experienced assistants.

 

Think about when Lovie came in. His OC (Shea) was new, as was his DC (Rivera). Though Rivera did work out, I still think it a mistake to have inexperience support inexperience. Further, if you look down the list of position coaches, most of them too were newly promoted to their jobs.

 

If we did add someone like Grimm, I would like to see us go out and add some legit experience to support him.

 

 

Of the lot you mention, only Grimm really interests me. Too many retreads and Garrett isn't living up to the hype machine.

 

[Lucky Luciano]

I like Grimm, but even with him, I think we have to be careful.

 

I do not believe it is a mistake adding a HC who has not been a HC before. Look around the league. It is not just something cheap teams do. It is something many do, and often w/ very good results. But if you are going to add a new HC who does not have prior HC experience, I think it is important to surround him w/ experienced assistants.

 

Think about when Lovie came in. His OC (Shea) was new, as was his DC (Rivera). Though Rivera did work out, I still think it a mistake to have inexperience support inexperience. Further, if you look down the list of position coaches, most of them too were newly promoted to their jobs.

 

If we did add someone like Grimm, I would like to see us go out and add some legit experience to support him.

 

i totally do not agree with this. sitting on your hands IS something CHEAP teams do when there are THREE top notch good coaches with superbowl experience and your coaching candidates have been putrid for decades. this could be a once in a lifetime experience and we, as usual, do nothing. i don't care how many assistants or college coaching candidates others hire. WE need someone with experience on how to run this team.

 

as far as surrounding yet ANOTHER amateur with experienced assistants.... is any head coaching candidate worth $%!& not going to want to bring in his own assistants? who in his right mind would be saddled with that kind of system?

 

also what are you going to pay this inexperienced head coach? less than what you pay your experienced coordinators? it's just another freaking mess we will end up with and waste another 4-6 years in which time cutler will be about ready to retire.

 

we always compromise for 2nd and 3rd tier management. isn't it time for a real change?

[nfoligno]

One. Not getting into the cheap ownership route. You and I have been there before, numerous times, and I don't feel like that discussion today.

 

Two. I actually agree w/ the idea of hiring a big boy, but that means letting both Angelo and Lovie go, as you are not as likely to lure the big boys if they don't get power too. While I think there may well be a legit chance we fire Lovie, despite his $11m due, I am not as confident we will fire Angelo. I don't think that has anything to do w/ money. If you are going to eat $11m, what is a couple mill more. But regardless, I am not as sold we will fire Angelo, as much as I would love for that to happen.

 

So, while I would absolutely be in favor of firing both JA and Lovie (which I have actually wanted for years), at the same time, I don't think that happens, and thus in talking about someone like Grimm, I am factoring in a situation where we have to add a HC who will answer to JA. That likely takes Shanny, Cowher, etc off the table.

 

Three. As for whether a new HC is going to want to add his own, I would say the HC absolutely has a say, but not the ultimate decision. When Lovie was hired, it was still JA who made the calls. In fact, I just read an article that said the only coaching hire Lovie was originally really allowed was Shea, and that didn't turn out to well. Rivera was forced on Lovie, and that did workout. When Lovie got his new deal, he also got full power over his staff, and things went straight downhill.

 

Now, I am sure you are going to argue that is not a good way to go about it, but I bet you many new HCs are not simply given full power over their staffs when they report to a GM. So while I would absolutely want the input from my new HC, at the same time, that does not mean he has absolute authority in the matter.

 

As for the salary aspect, unless you factor the wacked out salary structure of Washington, I think even your top end OCs and DCs make less then your low end HCs. Their salaries are likely closer, but no, I don't think a veteran OC (for example) makes more than a new HC.

 

Again, I would love to fire JA and Lovie, and add Cowher. I would have really loved to get Fisher before Tenn started to turn things around. But if we are in fact only firing Lovie, then I am looking at what is realistic from that standpoint. We can talk about lofty dreams all we want, but that is just what those are, dreams. Hey, how about Virginia sells the team to a new owner? Nice to think about, but a bit of a waste of time.

 

If JA remains, we have to consider who is going to come to the team working under a GM. There are many candidates, but that would likely leave out the big boy names you mention as they all would want dual roles. So, a guy like Grimm is discusses in a realistic manner.

 

For the record, those big names are big names for a reason, but not necessarily the best route either. Here in Dallas, Jerry went out and defied all odds by adding Big Bill Parcells. Not only did that not lead to a SB, it didn't even lead to a single playoff victory. Just because someone had success elsewhere doesn't mean he is the best option moving forward. When I look around the league, it seems like many (manybe most) of the top teams are ones who did not go out and add the big name new HC when they last were looking. In fact, many of the top teams are run by HCs who were recently promoted to their spots.

 

i totally do not agree with this. sitting on your hands IS something CHEAP teams do when there are THREE top notch good coaches with superbowl experience and your coaching candidates have been putrid for decades. this could be a once in a lifetime experience and we, as usual, do nothing. i don't care how many assistants or college coaching candidates others hire. WE need someone with experience on how to run this team.

 

as far as surrounding yet ANOTHER amateur with experienced assistants.... is any head coaching candidate worth $%!& not going to want to bring in his own assistants? who in his right mind would be saddled with that kind of system?

 

also what are you going to pay this inexperienced head coach? less than what you pay your experienced coordinators? it's just another freaking mess we will end up with and waste another 4-6 years in which time cutler will be about ready to retire.

 

we always compromise for 2nd and 3rd tier management. isn't it time for a real change?

 

[Lucky Luciano]

One. Not getting into the cheap ownership route. You and I have been there before, numerous times, and I don't feel like that discussion today.

 

Two. I actually agree w/ the idea of hiring a big boy, but that means letting both Angelo and Lovie go, as you are not as likely to lure the big boys if they don't get power too. While I think there may well be a legit chance we fire Lovie, despite his $11m due, I am not as confident we will fire Angelo. I don't think that has anything to do w/ money. If you are going to eat $11m, what is a couple mill more. But regardless, I am not as sold we will fire Angelo, as much as I would love for that to happen.

 

even if we made one hire (that being a new knowledgeable president of football operations with power to hire and fire) i would be happier than just bringing in another 'head coach in training' hired by imbeciles. at least we would be starting at the freaking core of the problem with this franchise instead of changing the train wreck end results that the people in power put there. if we keep angelo, phillips and again hire some untested nobodies then what is the point of firing this coaching staff at all? we might just as well let lovie and the rest of the incompetents play out their string.

 

as i see it, who would choose the new unproven coaching staff? the same guy that chose the current one? the one who is tied to an incompetent unknowledgeable presidents purse strings? the guy who not only can't judge or draft player talent but a guy who judges coaching talent even worse!!!?? is this the guy who extended jauron and shoop then fired them 2 years later, the guy who hired lovie and three offensive coordinators and signed off putting a moron in charge of our defense for 2 years? the guy who extended the current staff and now 2 years later wants to fire THEM? if it's not him making these catastrophic moves but our idiot president then just what good is he anyway?

 

having said that i still have to ask.... if you say you don't think it's money that will keep this midget clown car full of mental midgets in chicago then what is it? if it's not money why would you keep angelo OR lovie? they both have failed miserably!! is the only other possible conclusion that phillips AND the mccaskey's are complete football idiots and don't know any better???

 

So, while I would absolutely be in favor of firing both JA and Lovie (which I have actually wanted for years), at the same time, I don't think that happens, and thus in talking about someone like Grimm, I am factoring in a situation where we have to add a HC who will answer to JA. That likely takes Shanny, Cowher, etc off the table.

 

so in talking about grimm or someone like him everyone believes he will be basically an angelo puppet without teeth? why would we want someone who is subservient to angelo if everyone including you thinks angelo is an idiot??? what have we gained by that other than another coaching test period and wasted years waiting for him to have his chance to succeed or FAIL? we know what these primo coaches are capable of so why gamble on complete unknowns yet again?

 

Three. As for whether a new HC is going to want to add his own, I would say the HC absolutely has a say, but not the ultimate decision. When Lovie was hired, it was still JA who made the calls. In fact, I just read an article that said the only coaching hire Lovie was originally really allowed was Shea, and that didn't turn out to well. Rivera was forced on Lovie, and that did workout. When Lovie got his new deal, he also got full power over his staff, and things went straight downhill.

 

who hired turner? lovie?

 

Now, I am sure you are going to argue that is not a good way to go about it, but I bet you many new HCs are not simply given full power over their staffs when they report to a GM. So while I would absolutely want the input from my new HC, at the same time, that does not mean he has absolute authority in the matter.

 

what top notch head coach have we ever hired with the exception of wanny? they were all bottom feeders who worked for peanuts. don't you see any difference when you hire someone with a reputation of already having done it before and done it well?

 

As for the salary aspect, unless you factor the wacked out salary structure of Washington, I think even your top end OCs and DCs make less then your low end HCs. Their salaries are likely closer, but no, I don't think a veteran OC (for example) makes more than a new HC.

 

Again, I would love to fire JA and Lovie, and add Cowher. I would have really loved to get Fisher before Tenn started to turn things around. But if we are in fact only firing Lovie, then I am looking at what is realistic from that standpoint. We can talk about lofty dreams all we want, but that is just what those are, dreams. Hey, how about Virginia sells the team to a new owner? Nice to think about, but a bit of a waste of time.

 

If JA remains, we have to consider who is going to come to the team working under a GM. There are many candidates, but that would likely leave out the big boy names you mention as they all would want dual roles. So, a guy like Grimm is discusses in a realistic manner.

 

i think you need to look at what we paid our head coaches who have started here recently. lovie's payscale was at the bottom of the league when we hired him. what do you think his assistants were paid? how could we lure good assistant talent without paying them anything?

 

lofty dreams? to do what is sane and intelligent to run a freaking sporting franchise? no, it takes common sense and opening up your wallet. nothing more and nothing less.

 

grimm being the realistic solution? to what? more mediocrity? hey he could turn out to be a HOF coach in the future but right now with this franchise it's yet another HUGE gamble/mistake to bring in an unknown.

 

For the record, those big names are big names for a reason, but not necessarily the best route either. Here in Dallas, Jerry went out and defied all odds by adding Big Bill Parcells. Not only did that not lead to a SB, it didn't even lead to a single playoff victory. Just because someone had success elsewhere doesn't mean he is the best option moving forward. When I look around the league, it seems like many (manybe most) of the top teams are ones who did not go out and add the big name new HC when they last were looking. In fact, many of the top teams are run by HCs who were recently promoted to their spots.

 

and this reasoning means just what? why go for the brass ring if you could fall off this merry-go-round to nowhere?

 

we are not like other teams. we have never tried it...EVER!!! right now we need a good president of football operations to start out with then good talent evaluators and scouts, then a good GM, and THEN a good coaching staff.

 

since we don't have a good president AND we don't have a good GM (and it appears unlikely we will get one) it is imperative we have a PROVEN, excellent coaching staff to even have a chance. yet all i hear is what we can settle for which is what we have settled for over the last 20+ years. the russ grimms or himendingers or jaurons or lovie whoevers.