Next defensive coordinator? Meet the candidates

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Next defensive coordinator? Meet the candidates

 

Interesting read mentioning what they feel would be the top 4 candidates for our new DC.

[BearFan2000]

Zimmer gets my vote of the four. He is aware of the defensive world outside Lovies box. While Lovies guys have yet to discover other forms of defense than the cover 0, Zimmer seems to have the most well rounded knowledge. And he's actually held the position of Coordinator before.

 

The reason Ron's D worked in 2005 & 2006 was because it was a variation of the Cover 2 that had root's in other systems and was a hybrid of sorts. Lovie didn't like that but if he's going to stand at a podium and talk about getting back to the defense of 05/06 then he's going to have to allow someone to do other things and interject new ideas. Lovie is so damn stubborn though. But if Zimmer would be given the reigns to taylor a Defensive scheme to the players we have that has elements of Lovies system but also has elements of other systems as well then I think it can work.

[madlithuanian]

I'd love Zimmer, but I've got to figure the Bengals will re-up him. Especially if they do well.

 

Zimmer gets my vote of the four. He is aware of the defensive world outside Lovies box. While Lovies guys have yet to discover other forms of defense than the cover 0, Zimmer seems to have the most well rounded knowledge. And he's actually held the position of Coordinator before.

 

The reason Ron's D worked in 2005 & 2006 was because it was a variation of the Cover 2 that had root's in other systems and was a hybrid of sorts. Lovie didn't like that but if he's going to stand at a podium and talk about getting back to the defense of 05/06 then he's going to have to allow someone to do other things and interject new ideas. Lovie is so damn stubborn though. But if Zimmer would be given the reigns to taylor a Defensive scheme to the players we have that has elements of Lovies system but also has elements of other systems as well then I think it can work.

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Zimmer's experience in the 4-3 and 3-4 would make him a very intriguing candidate. I would be exstatic over him or Fewell.

[Lucky Luciano]

Zimmer's experience in the 4-3 and 3-4 would make him a very intriguing candidate. I would be exstatic over him or Fewell.

 

i just have to ask... if we bring in fewell are we not bring in an extension of 2 coaches we want to/did fire?

 

fewell worked under smith AND under dick jauron who himself was a defensive oriented HC. so how much of that was jauron and how much fewell? is this bad? who was happy with either coaches defense? i am just asking and so should the brain trust of our franchise.

[nfoligno]

One. Fewell was never a coach we wanted to, or did, fire. He was a DB coach for one year under Lovie, and left to be the DC (promotion) in Buffalo.

 

Two. While he, and the entire staff, was fired in Buffalo, I think it worth pointing out that when Jauron was fired, it was Fewell who Buffalo thought enough of to promote. And article pointed out that their special teams coach, who is considered on par w/ Toub, was in fact the assistant head coach, and yet the ownership choose to ignore that and promoted Fewell instead. Part of the reason (speculation) is that Fewell is a fire and brimstone sort of coach who raises hell, and they felt the team needed that more.

 

i just have to ask... if we bring in fewell are we not bring in an extension of 2 coaches we want to/did fire?

 

fewell worked under smith AND under dick jauron who himself was a defensive oriented HC. so how much of that was jauron and how much fewell? is this bad? who was happy with either coaches defense? i am just asking and so should the brain trust of our franchise.

 

[Lucky Luciano]

One. Fewell was never a coach we wanted to, or did, fire. He was a DB coach for one year under Lovie, and left to be the DC (promotion) in Buffalo.

 

Two. While he, and the entire staff, was fired in Buffalo, I think it worth pointing out that when Jauron was fired, it was Fewell who Buffalo thought enough of to promote. And article pointed out that their special teams coach, who is considered on par w/ Toub, was in fact the assistant head coach, and yet the ownership choose to ignore that and promoted Fewell instead. Part of the reason (speculation) is that Fewell is a fire and brimstone sort of coach who raises hell, and they felt the team needed that more.

 

really???

 

one... did i SAY we fired fewell? did i IMPLY we fired fewell? uhhhhh.... no.

 

two... who do you think they would have put in to replace dicky? bill cowher? their special teams coach LOL? they put in who was handy or the least bad common denominator or else tell me why HE was fired and hasn't gotten any consideration as a HC in the league or was even kept as DC in buffalo.

 

whether he could be a good DC i don't know but people better think about what he brings with him before they anoint him our savior let alone the best choice.

[bschmaranz]

Zimmer would be a dream, hence it ain't happening.

 

It'll be whomever will be a yes man for Lovie's cover none system.

[nfoligno]

one... did i SAY we fired fewell? did i IMPLY we fired fewell? uhhhhh.... no.

 

I misunderstood when you said, if we bring in fewell are we not bring in an extension of 2 coaches we want to/did fire

 

I thought the two coaches you were talking about were Fewell and Jauron, now realizing the 2nd coach you imply the team wants to fire is Lovie.

 

two... who do you think they would have put in to replace dicky? bill cowher? their special teams coach LOL? they put in who was handy or the least bad common denominator or else tell me why HE was fired and hasn't gotten any consideration as a HC in the league or was even kept as DC in buffalo.

 

I think what would be most common would be to promote a guy who has the label "assistant head coach".

 

whether he could be a good DC i don't know but people better think about what he brings with him before they anoint him our savior let alone the best choice.

 

NO ONE is making him out to be a savior. Even in the category of "best choice" that is a questionable label. Most are saying he looks good, and from some of the thus far mentioned options, doesn't look like a bad choice. So far, I think Zimmer is getting more "best choice" talk, but his team is still in the playoffs, and he may get some HC interviews as well, not to mention Cincy would like to retain him after the season.

 

I Fewell, I think there is a bit of realism in fans comments too. I do not think anyone expects us to go out and get some 3-4 guy, or someone Lovie would still scream about our hiring. Fewell is someone who has ties to Smith and thus not someone Smith would likely fight over the hiring of. And yet in Fewell, you have a coach w/ experience beyond just the cover two, and who has seen some success. Buffalo has not had a great defense, but at the same time, I personally have felt they have been a unit that has played above their talent. That is a credit to the coaching.

[Lucky Luciano]

I think what would be most common would be to promote a guy who has the label "assistant head coach".

 

guess that shows what the nfl really means by adding worthless titles to coaches (like russ grimm?) they hire to keep other teams from raiding them. absolutely nothing.

 

I Fewell, I think there is a bit of realism in fans comments too. I do not think anyone expects us to go out and get some 3-4 guy, or someone Lovie would still scream about our hiring. Fewell is someone who has ties to Smith and thus not someone Smith would likely fight over the hiring of. And yet in Fewell, you have a coach w/ experience beyond just the cover two, and who has seen some success. Buffalo has not had a great defense, but at the same time, I personally have felt they have been a unit that has played above their talent. That is a credit to the coaching.

 

and so much for hiring really good coordinators? just hire ones who fit in with lame duck HC's whether the best for the job or not.

[nfoligno]

This won't mean crap to you today, but I think the way things are lining up, they are basically putting EVERYONE into the same wagon, and giving them one more year. If the team does well, then we should all be happy. If not, then I think we will see the utter house cleaning, from Teddie down to the water boy.

 

guess that shows what the nfl really means by adding worthless titles to coaches (like russ grimm?) they hire to keep other teams from raiding them. absolutely nothing.

 

 

 

and so much for hiring really good coordinators? just hire ones who fit in with lame duck HC's whether the best for the job or not.

 

[Connorbear]

This won't mean crap to you today, but I think the way things are lining up, they are basically putting EVERYONE into the same wagon, and giving them one more year. If the team does well, then we should all be happy. If not, then I think we will see the utter house cleaning, from Teddie down to the water boy.

Agreed 100%. If things fall apart, Ted won't be fired but he will be moved back to his previous role (getting the stadium deal done ensured him a job for life IMHO). Everyone else will be gone.

 

Peace

[AZ54]

Agreed 100%. If things fall apart, Ted won't be fired but he will be moved back to his previous role (getting the stadium deal done ensured him a job for life IMHO). Everyone else will be gone.

 

Peace

 

I agree with you, they won't fire Ted he's well liked by the family and he has done a good job with what they've asked him to do. Everyone seems to forget, he got them a new stadium and he got a team together that went to the Superbowl. Does the organization need to some updating, yes it's clear they all agree on that but I can see him getting removed from overseeing all operations and going back to being the finance guy.

 

Then everyone below Ted today will be gone if we fail to make the playoffs next year. If Virginia is thinking about letting Brian take over it will all be arranged over the next year and we start fresh from top to bottom.

[madlithuanian]

Here's hoping!

 

Then everyone below Ted today will be gone if we fail to make the playoffs next year. If Virginia is thinking about letting Brian take over it will all be arranged over the next year and we start fresh from top to bottom.