Martz wants Manumaleuna

[bradjock]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,6125465.story

 

He's 6-2 TE and almost 300 pounds. Wow.

 

I like this idea of basically having a 3rd OG on the field. Since Turner became the OC, I've wanted us to get a "bowling ball" type player to clear the way for our RB.

 

My only concern is I hope we have a plan for Olsen. The obvious solution is to utilize him as a 3rd WR. I also wonder if we'd look to get rid of Dez Clark.

[defiantgiant]

Yeah, I'd like to add an impact blocking TE, but I wonder what it would mean for the guys we've got on the roster. Maybe if we go with three running backs (Forte, Bell, and a new guy, maybe?) we can take that extra roster spot and carry 4 TEs. Otherwise, somebody would have to go, and I'd hate to lose any of our current TEs.

 

I'm also very worried that the coaching staff will do something stupid with Olsen just because Martz doesn't like to use receiving TEs. We need to adapt the scheme to the personnel, not the other way around.

[bradjock]

Yeah, I'd like to add an impact blocking TE, but I wonder what it would mean for the guys we've got on the roster. Maybe if we go with three running backs (Forte, Bell, and a new guy, maybe?) we can take that extra roster spot and carry 4 TEs. Otherwise, somebody would have to go, and I'd hate to lose any of our current TEs.

 

Wolfe keeps his job because of special teams and AP is likely gone. IMO, Bell's very expendable and I'm not sure how he fits with Martz's system. I think of Marshall Faulk and the way Forte catches the ball and can operate in space, I could see him having similar success. I don't see that with Bell.

 

One solution would be to keep 4 TE's and eliminate Jason McKie. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Martz system utilizes the FB position.

 

I'd mentioned getting rid of Dez Clark, but he's a locker room leader and the best blocking TE we have.

 

I'm also very worried that the coaching staff will do something stupid with Olsen just because Martz doesn't like to use receiving TEs. We need to adapt the scheme to the personnel, not the other way around.

 

Agreed. Considering TE is our strongest and deepest offensive position, I'm guessing that's the first thing they asked Martz during the interview.

 

I've heard Martz mention using Olsen as a 3rd WR. That makes a ton of sense. The article mentioned that what Martz does is comparable to what they run in San Diego and however they utilize Antonio Gates. Olsen is 6-6, fast as hell and has good hands. For a TE, he's not very good at blocking. So use him as a big WR.

[bradjock]

Duplicate post.

[Guest TerraTor]

Yeah, I'd like to add an impact blocking TE, but I wonder what it would mean for the guys we've got on the roster. Maybe if we go with three running backs (Forte, Bell, and a new guy, maybe?) we can take that extra roster spot and carry 4 TEs. Otherwise, somebody would have to go, and I'd hate to lose any of our current TEs.

 

Wolfe keeps his job because of special teams and AP is likely gone. IMO, Bell's very expendable and I'm not sure how he fits with Martz's system. I think of Marshall Faulk and the way Forte catches the ball and can operate in space, I could see him having similar success. I don't see that with Bell.

 

One solution would be to keep 4 TE's and eliminate Jason McKie. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Martz system utilizes the FB position.

 

I'd mentioned getting rid of Dez Clark, but he's a locker room leader and the best blocking TE we have.

 

I'm also very worried that the coaching staff will do something stupid with Olsen just because Martz doesn't like to use receiving TEs. We need to adapt the scheme to the personnel, not the other way around.

 

Agreed. Considering TE is our strongest and deepest offensive position, I'm guessing that's the first thing they asked Martz during the interview.

 

I've heard Martz mention using Olsen as a 3rd WR. That makes a ton of sense. The article mentioned that what Martz does is comparable to what they run in San Diego and however they utilize Antonio Gates. Olsen is 6-6, fast as hell and has good hands. For a TE, he's not very good at blocking. So use him as a big WR.

 

Ya i agree on Olsen. Maybe Zombie and his boyfriends are gonna just sabotage the trade team before they are all fired. If they trade Olsen for some stupid pick we will waste on a redshirt reach, I will be fuggin Livid (sp)....

[azbearsfan]

Ya i agree on Olsen. Maybe Zombie and his boyfriends are gonna just sabotage the trade team before they are all fired. If they trade Olsen for some stupid pick we will waste on a redshirt reach, I will be fuggin Livid (sp)....

 

Get ready to be livid. Unless Olsen can get it done at receiver, he could be done. Martz wants blocking TE's.

 

 

[bradjock]

Get ready to be livid. Unless Olsen can get it done at receiver, he could be done. Martz wants blocking TE's.

 

But we don't have to use him as a blocking TE. Use him as a WR. That's the key. Cutler loves him and Angelo desperately needs for his 1st round pick to be successful. We just need to utilize his strengths. Why would we get rid of him?

[Guest TerraTor]

But we don't have to use him as a blocking TE. Use him as a WR. That's the key. Cutler loves him and Angelo desperately needs for his 1st round pick to be successful. We just need to utilize his strengths. Why would we get rid of him?

 

 

I know, just rediculous... Who gives a shit what Martz wants haha. Theyll all be gone anyway

[bradjock]

I know, just rediculous... Who gives a shit what Martz wants haha. Theyll all be gone anyway

 

If there's no new CBA by this time next year, why the hell would we get rid of Lovie when there might not be any football??? The entire staff, JA included, has 2 years IMO. And if we win the division in one of those two years, hell, they might all just get extended. It's happened before.

 

 

[azbearsfan]

But we don't have to use him as a blocking TE. Use him as a WR. That's the key. Cutler loves him and Angelo desperately needs for his 1st round pick to be successful. We just need to utilize his strengths. Why would we get rid of him?

 

 

Because I think he is overrated as a receiver anyway. He is good for a TE, not great. When we split him out wide, I haven't seen him give us a mismatch against a corner like he should. And against LBers he gets mugged. That guy Roy on sportsfansnet who does the video stuff has broken down film on Olsen and it looks pretty bad.

 

Just my opinion, but I would rather see us try and get a 2nd for him and have actual receivers out there. I think the first time Olsen lets a CB knock a jump ball away from him, Martz will have seen enough. Maybe not though.

[nfoligno]

Agree and disagree.

 

I agree Olsen can be over-rated at times, but I also think part of his struggles have come from how we have used him. He was drafted in large part due to his ability to stretch the field, but how often have we used him in such a manner. Our OL is simply so bad that Olsen has been forced to run shorter routes, and that is simply a waste of his talent. If that is all we are going to do, we may as well simply use Clark.

 

Also, and I have said this before, but Olsen was often matched up w/ opponents #1 CB. That says a lot of the respect he gets from other teams. Also, think about this. As well as our WRs did last year, consider the ripple effect of Olsen being covered by opponents #1. That means our WRs were facing opponents #2 and #3 rather than #1 and #2.

 

I absolutely believe Olsen can have a big impact for the team. I agree he would not look so good if he were simply moved to WR. His role should be more similar to that of Gates in SD. The problem is, will Martz use him in such a manner? I have no idea, and frankly, I am skeptical. At the same time, I think Olsen will be around longer than Martz, and I don't want to throw away what I believe a very solid talent in favor of a short term coach.

 

Because I think he is overrated as a receiver anyway. He is good for a TE, not great. When we split him out wide, I haven't seen him give us a mismatch against a corner like he should. And against LBers he gets mugged. That guy Roy on sportsfansnet who does the video stuff has broken down film on Olsen and it looks pretty bad.

 

Just my opinion, but I would rather see us try and get a 2nd for him and have actual receivers out there. I think the first time Olsen lets a CB knock a jump ball away from him, Martz will have seen enough. Maybe not though.

 

[madlithuanian]

Now I'm going to have nightmares...

 

If there's no new CBA by this time next year, why the hell would we get rid of Lovie when there might not be any football??? The entire staff, JA included, has 2 years IMO. And if we win the division in one of those two years, hell, they might all just get extended. It's happened before.

 

[azbearsfan]

Agree and disagree.

 

I agree Olsen can be over-rated at times, but I also think part of his struggles have come from how we have used him. He was drafted in large part due to his ability to stretch the field, but how often have we used him in such a manner. Our OL is simply so bad that Olsen has been forced to run shorter routes, and that is simply a waste of his talent. If that is all we are going to do, we may as well simply use Clark.

 

Also, and I have said this before, but Olsen was often matched up w/ opponents #1 CB. That says a lot of the respect he gets from other teams. Also, think about this. As well as our WRs did last year, consider the ripple effect of Olsen being covered by opponents #1. That means our WRs were facing opponents #2 and #3 rather than #1 and #2.

 

I absolutely believe Olsen can have a big impact for the team. I agree he would not look so good if he were simply moved to WR. His role should be more similar to that of Gates in SD. The problem is, will Martz use him in such a manner? I have no idea, and frankly, I am skeptical. At the same time, I think Olsen will be around longer than Martz, and I don't want to throw away what I believe a very solid talent in favor of a short term coach.

 

 

I just think he is overrated in general. How many times has he won a jump ball over a corner?

 

And I think you are really exaggerating the amount of times the #1 corner was covering Olsen. The only time Olsen was covered by the #1 corner was if he was the widest guy. This did not happen a majority of the time.

 

I dont think he is good enough to be mentioned with the likes of Gates. Olsen is an above average receiving TE against a LB who he can run away from. His blocking sucks. Dez Clark is a better receiver in traffic. And a better blocker.

If you put Olsen out wide as a WR, he doesn't play to his size advantage. So it is a waste. I think Martz was quoted as saying that if the TE can't block then he is just a WR and he would rather have an actual WR there.

 

When Martz was first hired, everyone thought he was going to be this changed guy who was going to use Olsen and run more, but I have seen evidence of him being the same as he ever was. He will fit the players to his system not the system to the players, IMO.

[nfoligno]

I just think he is overrated in general. How many times has he won a jump ball over a corner?

 

Oh, no argument on this one. You often hear about players playing bigger than they are. Olsen in many ways is the opposite. He plays shorter than he is.

 

And I think you are really exaggerating the amount of times the #1 corner was covering Olsen. The only time Olsen was covered by the #1 corner was if he was the widest guy. This did not happen a majority of the time.

 

I think it happened more than you realize. GB played Woodson on Olsen in the first game, and in our copy cat league, numerous other teams joined in. It wasn't just a matter of teams playing their top corner back on him though. Teams would cheat a safety to his side, or jam him at the LOS w/ "over" help. Teams often played nickel against us so as to put an extra CB on Olsen, or in such a situation, would use their #1 CB on Olsen and 2nd/3rd on the WRs.

 

Check out this Pompeii article written back in October. More teams used similar schemes against Olsen after that too.

 

http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/inf/infom...&nopaging=1

 

I dont think he is good enough to be mentioned with the likes of Gates. Olsen is an above average receiving TE against a LB who he can run away from. His blocking sucks. Dez Clark is a better receiver in traffic. And a better blocker.

 

I am not comparing him to Gates in the sense of how good he is. I am comparing him to Gates in the sense of how we should be using him. Gates is not a good blocker. Frankly, I am not sure he is even much better than Olsen. But Gates is used so well as a receiver that few care. But watch Gates play. He isn't just used on 5-10 yard passes. He runs downfield. I am not trying to say that, even if used similar, Olsen would put up similar numbers. What I am saying though is we are not utilizing him. Part of that is on Turner, but a greater issue was an OL that could not protect the QB long enough for downfield routes to often be called.

 

If you put Olsen out wide as a WR, he doesn't play to his size advantage. So it is a waste. I think Martz was quoted as saying that if the TE can't block then he is just a WR and he would rather have an actual WR there.

 

I remember that quote, and it was a key issue why I was not in support of adding him. Look, Olsen didn't have a great year. No argument. But more than any receiver on our roster, it was Olsen who teams game planned to take out of the game.

 

When Martz was first hired, everyone thought he was going to be this changed guy who was going to use Olsen and run more, but I have seen evidence of him being the same as he ever was. He will fit the players to his system not the system to the players, IMO.

 

No argument, and I said the same over and over again when others wanted to hire Martz, which I did not. If Martz were hired and expected to be here long term, I may be more on board w/ trading Olsen, but I think Martz is a short term hire, and I do not want to trade away long term assets based on a short term piece of the puzzle.

[azbearsfan]

I just think he is overrated in general. How many times has he won a jump ball over a corner?

 

Oh, no argument on this one. You often hear about players playing bigger than they are. Olsen in many ways is the opposite. He plays shorter than he is.

 

And I think you are really exaggerating the amount of times the #1 corner was covering Olsen. The only time Olsen was covered by the #1 corner was if he was the widest guy. This did not happen a majority of the time.

 

I think it happened more than you realize. GB played Woodson on Olsen in the first game, and in our copy cat league, numerous other teams joined in. It wasn't just a matter of teams playing their top corner back on him though. Teams would cheat a safety to his side, or jam him at the LOS w/ "over" help. Teams often played nickel against us so as to put an extra CB on Olsen, or in such a situation, would use their #1 CB on Olsen and 2nd/3rd on the WRs.

 

Check out this Pompeii article written back in October. More teams used similar schemes against Olsen after that too.

 

http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/inf/infom...&nopaging=1

 

I dont think he is good enough to be mentioned with the likes of Gates. Olsen is an above average receiving TE against a LB who he can run away from. His blocking sucks. Dez Clark is a better receiver in traffic. And a better blocker.

 

I am not comparing him to Gates in the sense of how good he is. I am comparing him to Gates in the sense of how we should be using him. Gates is not a good blocker. Frankly, I am not sure he is even much better than Olsen. But Gates is used so well as a receiver that few care. But watch Gates play. He isn't just used on 5-10 yard passes. He runs downfield. I am not trying to say that, even if used similar, Olsen would put up similar numbers. What I am saying though is we are not utilizing him. Part of that is on Turner, but a greater issue was an OL that could not protect the QB long enough for downfield routes to often be called.

 

If you put Olsen out wide as a WR, he doesn't play to his size advantage. So it is a waste. I think Martz was quoted as saying that if the TE can't block then he is just a WR and he would rather have an actual WR there.

 

I remember that quote, and it was a key issue why I was not in support of adding him. Look, Olsen didn't have a great year. No argument. But more than any receiver on our roster, it was Olsen who teams game planned to take out of the game.

 

When Martz was first hired, everyone thought he was going to be this changed guy who was going to use Olsen and run more, but I have seen evidence of him being the same as he ever was. He will fit the players to his system not the system to the players, IMO.

 

No argument, and I said the same over and over again when others wanted to hire Martz, which I did not. If Martz were hired and expected to be here long term, I may be more on board w/ trading Olsen, but I think Martz is a short term hire, and I do not want to trade away long term assets based on a short term piece of the puzzle.

 

 

All in all, I just wonder how much of a long term asset Olsen really is. IMO, he is just marginally better than Dez Clark. Olsen is faster. Dez catches better in traffic and can block. Can K. Davis be better than Olsen? Maybe. IF we are going to get rid of Martz in a year, then sit out a year, Its a wasted two years of Olsen's "potential". Then the next guy we hire might or might not be able to get anything out of him. I would just rather get something for him than to be wasted space.

 

Plus, although I wasn't really on board with the Martz move, I would actually like to see the Bears do well, so he needs to get people in here that fit his offense. With his comments, it looks like big blocking TE's. We shall see.

[defiantgiant]

All in all, I just wonder how much of a long term asset Olsen really is. IMO, he is just marginally better than Dez Clark. Olsen is faster. Dez catches better in traffic and can block. Can K. Davis be better than Olsen? Maybe. IF we are going to get rid of Martz in a year, then sit out a year, Its a wasted two years of Olsen's "potential". Then the next guy we hire might or might not be able to get anything out of him. I would just rather get something for him than to be wasted space.

 

Plus, although I wasn't really on board with the Martz move, I would actually like to see the Bears do well, so he needs to get people in here that fit his offense. With his comments, it looks like big blocking TE's. We shall see.

I think the problem with Olsen has been consistency. He doesn't consistently use his body to shield the ball from defenders, and he doesn't catch consistently enough in traffic. He flashes great hands, and he flashes the ability to box a defender out (like a receiving TE ought to) but he has lapses in both. If he were to put it all together, he could be an upper-tier receiver at the tight end position. Not an all-star like Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez, but maybe a Dallas Clark or a Chris Cooley type of player.

 

The only way I'd be OK with moving Olsen is if we could get a first-round pick for him, or a comparably talented young player. But I don't see any teams offering enough to make it worthwhile.

[nfoligno]

Plus, although I wasn't really on board with the Martz move, I would actually like to see the Bears do well, so he needs to get people in here that fit his offense. With his comments, it looks like big blocking TE's. We shall see.

 

You don't need a 2nd round pick for a big blocking TE. Hell, you don't need a pick in the top half of the draft. You can get one late in the draft, or cheap in FA. Blocking TEs are simply not a high commodity, and can be had pretty inexpensive. Its the ones who can be receiving weapons which are of higher value. If Martz wants a blocking Te, there is no need to trade Olsen to get one.

 

Also, you ask about K.Davis. Everyone talks about him. If he is so good, why would we be looking at add a blocking TE?

 

Frankly, we have Clark for another year, and he is a solid blocker and at least an average receiver. I just don't see the need to add a blocking TE when I think we already have one (maybe two) on the roster.

[azbearsfan]

Plus, although I wasn't really on board with the Martz move, I would actually like to see the Bears do well, so he needs to get people in here that fit his offense. With his comments, it looks like big blocking TE's. We shall see.

 

You don't need a 2nd round pick for a big blocking TE. Hell, you don't need a pick in the top half of the draft. You can get one late in the draft, or cheap in FA. Blocking TEs are simply not a high commodity, and can be had pretty inexpensive. Its the ones who can be receiving weapons which are of higher value. If Martz wants a blocking Te, there is no need to trade Olsen to get one.

 

Also, you ask about K.Davis. Everyone talks about him. If he is so good, why would we be looking at add a blocking TE?

 

Frankly, we have Clark for another year, and he is a solid blocker and at least an average receiver. I just don't see the need to add a blocking TE when I think we already have one (maybe two) on the roster.

 

 

I'm not saying we get a 2nd round pick and use it on a blocking TE. I'm saying use it for a place of need. Like you said we can sign blocking dudes.

[nfoligno]

We simply disagree as to the value of Olsen, and/or the time Martz will be around. As much as I like our young WRs, I still believe Olsen is our greatest asset of the bunch, and I do not want to trade him due to a coach/scheme which may be here no more than one year. I would point out you (to a degree) must also consider Olsen our top value as no one is going to give us a 2nd for any of our WRs. I don't think any of our receivers would net a 3rd.

 

I honestly do not know what Olsen's role will be in Martz system. He has never utilized the TE, but has thus far gone out of his way to "say" he would use Olsen. I think Tice may also be a factor, as he was formerly a TE coach, as well as OL, and may be able to better develop Olsen's blocking ability.

 

I'm not saying we get a 2nd round pick and use it on a blocking TE. I'm saying use it for a place of need. Like you said we can sign blocking dudes.

 

[azbearsfan]

We simply disagree as to the value of Olsen, and/or the time Martz will be around. As much as I like our young WRs, I still believe Olsen is our greatest asset of the bunch, and I do not want to trade him due to a coach/scheme which may be here no more than one year. I would point out you (to a degree) must also consider Olsen our top value as no one is going to give us a 2nd for any of our WRs. I don't think any of our receivers would net a 3rd.

 

I honestly do not know what Olsen's role will be in Martz system. He has never utilized the TE, but has thus far gone out of his way to "say" he would use Olsen. I think Tice may also be a factor, as he was formerly a TE coach, as well as OL, and may be able to better develop Olsen's blocking ability.

 

 

Yes we disagree. lol. Not the first time and not the last.

 

 

All the recent stuff I have read though, points to us looking at big blocking TE's. Which I think could mean the end of the Olsen era. Again, we shall see.

 

I found this quote in an article by Jon Greenberg "Angelo said Martz has significant pull in offensive personnel evaluations. So this could be an interesting subplot, especially considering how Aromashodu was all but ignored until it was too late.

 

"We're still going through some things with Coach Martz, given our offense, and he's still educating us on things he likes," Angelo said. "So that's part of the process because what we want to do when we make a decision to go after a player is make sure it's a square peg in a square hole." "

 

 

Plus some film break down on Olsen from your boy Roy(beware harsh language)

 

Olsen1

 

Olsen2

 

Olsen3

 

 

[jason]

Yes we disagree. lol. Not the first time and not the last.

 

 

All the recent stuff I have read though, points to us looking at big blocking TE's. Which I think could mean the end of the Olsen era. Again, we shall see.

 

I found this quote in an article by Jon Greenberg "Angelo said Martz has significant pull in offensive personnel evaluations. So this could be an interesting subplot, especially considering how Aromashodu was all but ignored until it was too late.

 

"We're still going through some things with Coach Martz, given our offense, and he's still educating us on things he likes," Angelo said. "So that's part of the process because what we want to do when we make a decision to go after a player is make sure it's a square peg in a square hole." "

 

 

Plus some film break down on Olsen from your boy Roy(beware harsh language)

 

Olsen1

 

Olsen2

 

Olsen3

 

First, thanks for the links to the film breakdown. I don't know what program he used to do this, but I've done the same things with DVR copies of the games.

 

Second, I think it's kind of ironic that you of all people would post these links in support of your argument (which I kind of agree with, BTW).

[nfoligno]

First, who the F'ing hell was that. "my boy?" I have never seen or heard that guy before. He was so freaking bad I could not even finish the video. Love how he spends so much time throwing out disclaimers, while spashing images like the one in the top left corner which resembles the Chicago Tribune. He is a fan that picks out a couple plays. Guess what. If allowed, I could use one or two plays probably from every game to make a scrub look good and a pro bowler look bad. I am sorry, but I honestly can not take that guy serious. If I am just ignorant, and he is some guru I don't know about, please let me know, but the guy was just plain bad.

 

As for the earlier stuff, I am sure Martz does have pull, but having enough pull to trade away one of Angelo's 1st round picks is another story. Something I don't think has been talked about, but if Angelo has any hope of surviving, he needs his former picks to step up. Even if Lovie gets the axe, if a bunch of Angelo draft picks do well, he could stick. Trading away one of his 1st round picks, and I would add one of his better 1st round picks, does little to help his case.

 

I can see Martz having pull in personnel decisions, but that could mean as little as who starts, rather than the opposite extreme of trading away a 1st rounder.

 

When Martz came on board, he talked often about how Olsen would be in his plans. He did so as though he had been through it, likely in the interview w/ Angelo. Point is, I think it was something already discussed, and why discuss it if you are just going to so quickly go away from it.

 

Sorry, but I think you are reaching here. While I get the arguments, and enjoy enough the discussion in the "what if" world, you seem to now be suggesting this as possible. Do you honestly see this as possible, because I sure don't.

 

Yes we disagree. lol. Not the first time and not the last.

 

 

All the recent stuff I have read though, points to us looking at big blocking TE's. Which I think could mean the end of the Olsen era. Again, we shall see.

 

I found this quote in an article by Jon Greenberg "Angelo said Martz has significant pull in offensive personnel evaluations. So this could be an interesting subplot, especially considering how Aromashodu was all but ignored until it was too late.

 

"We're still going through some things with Coach Martz, given our offense, and he's still educating us on things he likes," Angelo said. "So that's part of the process because what we want to do when we make a decision to go after a player is make sure it's a square peg in a square hole." "

 

 

Plus some film break down on Olsen from your boy Roy(beware harsh language)

 

Olsen1

 

Olsen2

 

Olsen3

 

[nfoligno]

Okay, this guys is a biased idiot. I have watched it now, and I feel dirty for it.

 

Video 1. First play shows Olsen bombed his block. Agree Olsen should have engaged, but this guy says Olsen "let him go". Those are his words. You can see Olsen trying to make the block, but Little simply beats him to the corner. To me, it appears Olsen likely didnt realize Cutler had rolled outside, and Olsen was sort of just side-stepping w/ Little, who then burst around the corner and beat Olsen. Evidence Olsen is a bad blocker, fine. Who argues that? But to say he just let him go is simply wrong.

 

2nd part of video one. Compains that Olsen didn't go full speed on a trick play (fake kick) but he has no idea where Olsen is supposed to be to catch the flip from Maynard. Maynard flips it from his knee (as the holder). If Olsen runs full speed, is he outside Maynard's flip ability. Then this guy also rips Olsen because he isn't tough enough to fight through a held jersey. Says he jersey is just barely held, but the damn video he shows shows Olsen jersey sticking way the hell out as he is getting held from behind.

 

Video 2. I had to stop watching. Besides the fact the guy seems drunk, he is an idiot. Willis is not even on Clark? Are you kidding me. One, I thought the ball was tipped, and it is possible Olsen was the receiver and did expect the ball. Two, there may have been a point when the ball is in the air that Olsen realizes the ball isnt coming to him, but while this looks so obvious in frame by frame slow mo, it is so much faster in real life. I mean, if Olsen is squared up looking for the pass, ball is tipped and goes in Olsen direction, but beneath him, you are talking split seconds here. Okay, fine, Olsen whifs on the play, but this guy makes it out to be so much more than it was.

 

Honestly, I stopped here. This guy seems to (a) simply dislike Olsen and ( be a bit caught up in his own schtick.

 

Az, I am surprised by you. You are the guy who always seems to think the smartest fan is pathetic compared to the dumbest coach. Here you have a self proclaimed fan, and nothing more, and you use his video as evidence. I mean seriously. What the hell are you doing using this guy to support your arguments?

 

Yes we disagree. lol. Not the first time and not the last.

 

 

All the recent stuff I have read though, points to us looking at big blocking TE's. Which I think could mean the end of the Olsen era. Again, we shall see.

 

I found this quote in an article by Jon Greenberg "Angelo said Martz has significant pull in offensive personnel evaluations. So this could be an interesting subplot, especially considering how Aromashodu was all but ignored until it was too late.

 

"We're still going through some things with Coach Martz, given our offense, and he's still educating us on things he likes," Angelo said. "So that's part of the process because what we want to do when we make a decision to go after a player is make sure it's a square peg in a square hole." "

 

 

Plus some film break down on Olsen from your boy Roy(beware harsh language)

 

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[azbearsfan]

Okay, this guys is a biased idiot. I have watched it now, and I feel dirty for it.

 

Video 1. First play shows Olsen bombed his block. Agree Olsen should have engaged, but this guy says Olsen "let him go". Those are his words. You can see Olsen trying to make the block, but Little simply beats him to the corner. To me, it appears Olsen likely didnt realize Cutler had rolled outside, and Olsen was sort of just side-stepping w/ Little, who then burst around the corner and beat Olsen. Evidence Olsen is a bad blocker, fine. Who argues that? But to say he just let him go is simply wrong.

 

2nd part of video one. Compains that Olsen didn't go full speed on a trick play (fake kick) but he has no idea where Olsen is supposed to be to catch the flip from Maynard. Maynard flips it from his knee (as the holder). If Olsen runs full speed, is he outside Maynard's flip ability. Then this guy also rips Olsen because he isn't tough enough to fight through a held jersey. Says he jersey is just barely held, but the damn video he shows shows Olsen jersey sticking way the hell out as he is getting held from behind.

 

Video 2. I had to stop watching. Besides the fact the guy seems drunk, he is an idiot. Willis is not even on Clark? Are you kidding me. One, I thought the ball was tipped, and it is possible Olsen was the receiver and did expect the ball. Two, there may have been a point when the ball is in the air that Olsen realizes the ball isnt coming to him, but while this looks so obvious in frame by frame slow mo, it is so much faster in real life. I mean, if Olsen is squared up looking for the pass, ball is tipped and goes in Olsen direction, but beneath him, you are talking split seconds here. Okay, fine, Olsen whifs on the play, but this guy makes it out to be so much more than it was.

 

Honestly, I stopped here. This guy seems to (a) simply dislike Olsen and ( be a bit caught up in his own schtick.

 

Az, I am surprised by you. You are the guy who always seems to think the smartest fan is pathetic compared to the dumbest coach. Here you have a self proclaimed fan, and nothing more, and you use his video as evidence. I mean seriously. What the hell are you doing using this guy to support your arguments?

 

 

Relax man. He calls himself "Your Boy Roy". He is obviously not your personal boy.

 

I'm sorry dude. I think that guy is hilarious. Commentary aside, they are in fact examples of Olsen not doing things well, at the very least. You are right, though, that Roy makes them more than they probably are. The video is there though.

 

And if I am "the guy who always seems to think the smartest fan is pathetic compared to the dumbest coach" then I am surprised that you dont like this since it always seems like you are the guy who thinks that all fans are smarter than all coaches.

 

 

 

[nfoligno]

And if I am "the guy who always seems to think the smartest fan is pathetic compared to the dumbest coach" then I am surprised that you dont like this since it always seems like you are the guy who thinks that all fans are smarter than all coaches.

 

Do I believe fans can provide very worthy insight? Absolutely. Do I believe fans CAN BE right when coaches are wrong, or GMs? Yes again. Do I believe all fans are smarter than all coaches. Obviously not.

 

This guy may well be football smart, but all I saw was "schtick". And while you say "commentary aside" it is hard to put aside the commentary. The commentary goes so far to make a big deal about minor things, or to make something out of nothing, that I have to question the entire process. Here is a guy who wants to make a case against Olsen, and if the best film he can come up with displays weak evidence, then how serious am I supposed to take him.

 

Look, putting this guy aside entirely, is Olsen a good blocker? Hell no. I was saying as much some time back. I said that last year he looked like he had actually regressed, and I felt he sucked before that. With that said, I would make two points.

 

One. While it is great to have a great pass catching TE who is also a great blocker, those are pretty rare. While I am not saying he is as good as Gates, in this you do have an example of a TE who can be an exceptional asset to the team, even if he can't block, and make no mistake, Gates can't block.

 

Two. I have always questioned our staff in this regard. I have never felt out staff did a good job of teaching blocking. Think about it. Most of our better blockers were not developed, but brought to the team already developed. Kellen Davis was drafted for his blocking ability, not receiving, though that is what fans loved due to his size. But he actually struggled as a blocker, and that is what coaches talked about when asked why we didn't see more of him. I forget his name, but we cut the TE drafted the year before who also was added to be a blocking TE, but didn't develop as such. I would add that we have not done well teaching our RBs to block. TJ was exceptional, but also developed in Az and TB. And don't even get me started on the OL. Point in all this however is we have made changes, and there is potential that Tice can develop Olsen and others in this regard better.

 

I have never heard Olsen was unwilling to learn. He just sucks on the field trying to block. But maybe he simply has never been tought. It wasn't a big deal in Miami, and maybe our former OC, OL and TE coaches were simply not very good teaches in this area. If it was just Olsen, maybe it would be all about Olsen, but he is far from the only player who has struggled to develop blocking techniques as a bear.

 

Relax man. He calls himself "Your Boy Roy". He is obviously not your personal boy.

 

I'm sorry dude. I think that guy is hilarious. Commentary aside, they are in fact examples of Olsen not doing things well, at the very least. You are right, though, that Roy makes them more than they probably are. The video is there though.

 

And if I am "the guy who always seems to think the smartest fan is pathetic compared to the dumbest coach" then I am surprised that you dont like this since it always seems like you are the guy who thinks that all fans are smarter than all coaches.