Martz wants Manumaleuna

[azbearsfan]

Its all good dude.

 

 

My point in starting all of this was to say that I would not be surprised if Olsen was gone based on Martz' preference for blocking TE's. Even if he is just to be here one year, I think that he should be bringing in people who he feels will make his offense successful.

[nfoligno]

Even if he is just to be here one year, I think that he should be bringing in people who he feels will make his offense successful.

 

Okay, getting away from Olsen specific for a moment, and continuing the discussion down a broader path (hey, its a slow day) I can't say I agree with this.

 

Frankly, this is one of the problems caused by hiring a coach like Martz in a situation like this. Coaches who are considered short term simply create a lot of problems. But what I can not agree with doing is making big changes in order to accomodate a coach on a short term deal. Minor changes, fine.

 

If Martz felt we had to have Holt (example) while I would disagree, I could understand. If Martz comes in an decides he needs a change of pace RB, fine. But there is a line between minor and major changes.

 

I question how much you yourself believe your above statement. I think your opinion is based more on your opinion of Olsen rather than what we should allow Martz to do.

 

Okay, lets say Martz comes in an decides Williams is an awful fit for his system. He wants a big boy OT, not a finesse guy, and simply doesn't believe Williams would ever get it done in his system. Does that mean you would agree if Martz wanted to trade him? What if it was Forte?

 

Olsen was a 1st round pick. Has he lived up to the hype. No. But he has still be in the top 10 range among TEs, and that is far from bad. He absolutely needs to improve, but I would still consider him among our biggest assets, and you must agree if you believe we can get a 2nd round pick for him. I just do not believe you get rid of a long term asset based on a short term coach or system.

[defiantgiant]

My point in starting all of this was to say that I would not be surprised if Olsen was gone based on Martz' preference for blocking TE's. Even if he is just to be here one year, I think that he should be bringing in people who he feels will make his offense successful.

Greg Bedard from the Journal-Sentinel agrees with you. He's saying the rumor is that Olsen's on the block, and Rotoworld is reporting that some people at the Combine think he could go to the Pats for one of their 2nd-rounders. Personally, I'd hate to see him get dealt, unless it's for something way out of proportion to his value, like a high 1st.

[azbearsfan]

Greg Bedard from the Journal-Sentinel agrees with you. He's saying the rumor is that Olsen's on the block, and Rotoworld is reporting that some people at the Combine think he could go to the Pats for one of their 2nd-rounders. Personally, I'd hate to see him get dealt, unless it's for something way out of proportion to his value, like a high 1st.

 

 

That was what I had read somewhere else too. One of NE 2nd rounders.

 

We'll see if it happens.

[defiantgiant]

That was what I had read somewhere else too. One of NE 2nd rounders.

 

We'll see if it happens.

I hope it doesn't. Olsen's more valuable than that. I'd trade him for a chance to draft Eric Berry or something, but not for a 2nd.

[azbearsfan]

I hope it doesn't. Olsen's more valuable than that. I'd trade him for a chance to draft Eric Berry or something, but not for a 2nd.

 

 

Yes but if Martz doesn't use him, where does his value go?

 

So, in my mind you have a couple different options.

 

1) Martz makes the offense "stupid" good and sticks around more than one year. Olsen's value would be in the toilet, because in my opinion, Martz is not going to play him at WR.

 

2) Martz is here one year then we have a work stoppage. Then, two years later, maybe we hire a person that would work with a no block all catch TE. If its Cowher, I dont even know if he would like that sort of TE.

 

3) Martz is here for a year, no work stoppage, maybe we get a guy who would use him right, maybe not.

 

 

For me, I would take the pick now and try to get a FS, DE, or CB. The draft is supposed to be deep at FS. So who knows.

I think TE is a position of depth for us with Dez, Olsen, and Davis.

 

IMO I dont think Olsen will ever be worth where we drafted him.

[defiantgiant]

Yes but if Martz doesn't use him, where does his value go?

 

So, in my mind you have a couple different options...

Here's a fourth option, though: Lovie and Angelo sit Martz down and say "Hey, we know what you've done in the past with TEs, but this guy is young and talented, and we've invested in him. Figure out how to use him, even if it means doing something differently." I mean, he's supposed to be this incredible offensive mind, but how good can he possibly be if he can't adapt to the personnel in front of him? Doesn't it make more sense to tell him to figure it out, rather than losing a young player who could hold down that position for 8 or 10 years?

 

For me, I would take the pick now and try to get a FS, DE, or CB. The draft is supposed to be deep at FS. So who knows.

Just remember that it's Angelo doing the drafting. I'd much rather have the player you already know than a total unknown.

[azbearsfan]

Here's a fourth option, though: Lovie and Angelo sit Martz down and say "Hey, we know what you've done in the past with TEs, but this guy is young and talented, and we've invested in him. Figure out how to use him, even if it means doing something differently." I mean, he's supposed to be this incredible offensive mind, but how good can he possibly be if he can't adapt to the personnel in front of him? Doesn't it make more sense to tell him to figure it out, rather than losing a young player who could hold down that position for 8 or 10 years?

First,

I dont think Lovie and Angelo will do that. The fact that we have already signed a giant TE, plus are rumored to be interested in another leads me to think that it will be business as usual for Martz. When has he ever adapted to his players? What do you think happened when Singletary had the almost same discussion about handing off to a running back better than Forte once in awhile or maybe throwing to a TE better than Olsen? The guy got fired.

I think Lovie and Angelo have put all of their cards on the table with Martz and are going to ride with him til they die.

 

For me, I was not for the Martz move, but I am interested as hell to see what happens. There is such a wide range of possibilities here that I literally have no expectations. I mean it wouldn't surprise me if Cutler dies from the pounding or he wins MVP with the greatest passing game the Bears have ever seen.

 

I do , however, think the people who think Martz will run more because of the weather of now suddenly use the TE a ton will be disappointed. Maybe I'm wrong but history says no.

 

 

 

 

Just remember that it's Angelo doing the drafting. I'd much rather have the player you already know than a total unknown.

 

 

 

YEah but he drafted Olsen to begin with, so.....

[defiantgiant]

First,

I dont think Lovie and Angelo will do that...I do , however, think the people who think Martz will run more because of the weather of now suddenly use the TE a ton will be disappointed. Maybe I'm wrong but history says no.

I'm worried that you're right. The only thing that makes me a little hopeful is that Martz was just out of football for a year, and the Bears were a little reluctant to bring him in without looking at a bunch of other guys first. Maybe that'll be enough to make him more amenable to change, maybe not.

 

If the only other option is dealing Olsen, though, then I really hope it's enough. Martz could easily be gone next year, and moving Olsen for anything less than overwhelming value (a first-round pick or a young talented starter at a need position) would be prioritizing a one-year coordinator over a solid player for the next 8 or 10 years. I mean, if New England wants him and they want to send Brandon Meriweather, then by all means. But if we're talking about getting a #44 pick for a guy who we drafted at #31, who is (for all his faults) better than he was when he was worth the #31 pick, that's not good value. Matt Bowen wrote a pretty good column on Olsen, and he makes a better case than I can for why the Bears would be stupid to trade him.

 

YEah but he drafted Olsen to begin with, so.....

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