Bears should trade #1 for Brandon Marshall

[Daventry]

Basically agreed.

 

We honestly have too little to work with in the draft o address all needs.

 

I could see them going DL... It's probably a position that should in theory translate more smoothly to the pros, thus contributing "right now" moreso than an OL.

 

Sceondary is a concern as well as you mention. But I do like what I saw from some of the young guys if they can stay healthy.

 

Seriously, there are too many flaws to address in the draft. I just hope we can hit paydirt on at least one solid contributor.

 

I agree that Oline and Dline are the biggest needs, and safety likely thereafter. If we had the luxury of a few more draft picks a WR would be nice, but we just do not have that luxury, and we definitely need help on both lines.... I just pray that the WR's, at least 2 or 3 of them, live up to their potential....

[defiantgiant]

I agree that Oline and Dline are the biggest needs, and safety likely thereafter. If we had the luxury of a few more draft picks a WR would be nice, but we just do not have that luxury, and we definitely need help on both lines.... I just pray that the WR's, at least 2 or 3 of them, live up to their potential....

Oh yeah, it'd be a total luxury pick, that's why I started with the caveat that we'd have to be able to address one of our big needs with a free agent signing. Here's how I see the positional needs:

 

1) FS - Huge need: nobody on the roster even has the potential to be good.

2) RT - Big need. Unlike safety, though, there are some young guys with potential on the roster (Omiyale, Marten) and if one of them steps up, the position isn't really a need.

3) DT - Could definitely be a need. Harrison looks like a bust so far, which only leaves Tommie, Adams, Gilbert, and Toeaina. Tommie's inconsistent, Toeaina's purely a depth guy, and Gilbert is a total question mark, so we've got all of one bona fide starter on the interior D-line: Adams. We could use a pass-rusher to rotate with Tommie and a legit nose tackle to develop behind Adams.

4) WR - Like with RT, a need unless one of our young talented guys steps up. Probably more likely that a receiver steps up than one of our tackles, though.

5) DE - Maybe could use an upgrade after Brown's departure, but I think this would be a luxury pick. Idonije should be adequate as a base end, Peppers is Peppers, and Anderson and Melton can contribute as situational rushers.

[nfoligno]

No major disagreements.

 

Regarding DT, who do you mean when you say, "one bona fide start"? I assume you mean Harris, but as you said, he is inconsistent. At this point, he looks like a rotation player, but I am not sure he is even a bona fide starter anymore. Adams might be next, but while he may be viewed as a bona fide starter for some, our coaches sure don't seem to think so. The only reason he gets on the field is due to other DTs the coaches want to start failing to play well.

 

Disagree DE is a luxury pick. It is not as high of a need as other positions. I agree there. But I only see one legit starter, albeit a pro bowl player. Anderson bombed the last time he was given the starting role, and despite "some" flashes last year, I question the idea of him as a starter. And I just don't get the Idonije love. He is a nice depth chart player, but more? If the staff thought so much of his ability as a DE, why has he been moved from inside to outside several times. It seems like for the last 3 years he has been asked to add or lose like 30lbs to move positions. If the staff really felt he could be such a player at one position, why continually move him?

 

The main point of disagreement though is CB not being in the top 5. Here is a position where, even Lovie said this, you need 3 starters due to so many teams playing 3 and 4 WR sets, or having TEs of such receiving ability that you need to play a CB on them. We barely have 2. Tillman is solid, but has been going downhill IMHO and has appeared more injury prone. Bowman was okay, but lets not pretend he is a stud, and he has so much injury history that one year does little to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy. But even if these two are considered solid starters who can stay healthy (which I would argue), what do we have behind them? Honestly, I do not see a single CB on our roster ater these two who could step in and play if the need arose. Some would say Graham, but the staff is more against his playing CB than Adams. Even when hit with injuries, the staff didn't seem to want to insert Graham. I read Hoke didn't think Graham was fast enough to play CB. Then there is the little guy Moore. We were not doing well at CB last year, yet at no point did Moore see the field. All that is left is Turenne, and I shouldn't have to say much about him.

 

We by no means have studs to start with, but our depth is more lacking here than at most any other position. Even on the OL, I think there is more reason for hope with players like Beekman, Omiyale, Shaffer and maybe even Louis, who we have seen nothing from but at least the staff seems to like. Can't even say that about our #3 and #4 CBs. While I would still consider FS, OL and DL ahead of CB, as we lack starters there and not just depth, I would put CB after that. We "might" have our two starters, but both have injury histories and we have simply no depth behind them.

 

Oh yeah, it'd be a total luxury pick, that's why I started with the caveat that we'd have to be able to address one of our big needs with a free agent signing. Here's how I see the positional needs:

 

1) FS - Huge need: nobody on the roster even has the potential to be good.

2) RT - Big need. Unlike safety, though, there are some young guys with potential on the roster (Omiyale, Marten) and if one of them steps up, the position isn't really a need.

3) DT - Could definitely be a need. Harrison looks like a bust so far, which only leaves Tommie, Adams, Gilbert, and Toeaina. Tommie's inconsistent, Toeaina's purely a depth guy, and Gilbert is a total question mark, so we've got all of one bona fide starter on the interior D-line: Adams. We could use a pass-rusher to rotate with Tommie and a legit nose tackle to develop behind Adams.

4) WR - Like with RT, a need unless one of our young talented guys steps up. Probably more likely that a receiver steps up than one of our tackles, though.

5) DE - Maybe could use an upgrade after Brown's departure, but I think this would be a luxury pick. Idonije should be adequate as a base end, Peppers is Peppers, and Anderson and Melton can contribute as situational rushers.

 

[AZ54]

Needs are FS, OL, CB in that order IMO. I see all the holes at DT but quite honestly we've spent picks there and those guys have to get a chance to step up (Gilbert) while others like Harrison get one more shot at being a "pro". While those bodies are ??? at FS we have nobody. Unless we believe in the miracle of Tice the ??? on OG/OT are bigger than at DT. CB has few players (literally 3) but behind them nobody.

[nfoligno]

Agreed. While I think we have seen more in terms of play on the field from the WRs, we are similar at DT in that we may not have proven players, but we have several players w/ talent and potential who could develop into something good, if not special. At positions like FS and CB, I don't even see the potential or hope for an average starter to emerge from the depth chart.

 

While I would agree with you in that regard as to DT, I am not sure I would agree at DE, where I question the talent of our depth. But I would still place DL (either DE or DT) behind FS, OL and CB.

 

Needs are FS, OL, CB in that order IMO. I see all the holes at DT but quite honestly we've spent picks there and those guys have to get a chance to step up (Gilbert) while others like Harrison get one more shot at being a "pro". While those bodies are ??? at FS we have nobody. Unless we believe in the miracle of Tice the ??? on OG/OT are bigger than at DT. CB has few players (literally 3) but behind them nobody.

 

[defiantgiant]

I can totally see the concern about the depth at CB, but I think it'd be a luxury to take one this year unless it's in the 5th-7th. We've got two decent starters at the position (even if they're both injury risks,) and as of right now there's no quality starter at free safety, split end, and right tackle/left guard.

 

Couldn't hurt to take a flyer on a late-round corner, though. Angelo hits on late-round DBs more often than most drafters. I'd be OK with taking a flyer on a developmental/upside corner (like AJ Jefferson) or a first-rounder who fell because of injury (like Walter Thurmond.)