Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/sources-larry-...ight-price.html Hellllooo? Don't know what they would be asking. I know the Lions got a 1st and 3rd out of Roy Williams so I think the bidding would start there. How about a 1st and Johnny Knox? This would be a dream come true if Larry Fitzgerald fell into our laps. Best WR in the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Tempting. But I think V-Jack could be had for the same money w/o losing the pick or the player. We'll still have to pay Larry a boat load. I will say this though, if JA had the stones to give our #1 and Johnny K for Larry, I can't say I'd be sorry. He better damn well be trying to get some OL in FA and the draft though! http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/sources-larry-...ight-price.html Hellllooo? Don't know what they would be asking. I know the Lions got a 1st and 3rd out of Roy Williams so I think the bidding would start there. How about a 1st and Johnny Knox? This would be a dream come true if Larry Fitzgerald fell into our laps. Best WR in the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 If Arizona would do that I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. I'm not a Johnny Knox fan but he still has some value and one that Arizona might look to take back in a Larry Fitzgerald type of deal. From there the Bears still can draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd round and still be able to go after Mankins or that other lineman (Can't think of his name) in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 yeah. Giving a one for Fitz is not a bad thing. it's guaranteed production.... If Arizona would do that I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. I'm not a Johnny Knox fan but he still has some value and one that Arizona might look to take back in a Larry Fitzgerald type of deal. From there the Bears still can draft OL in the 2nd and 3rd round and still be able to go after Mankins or that other lineman (Can't think of his name) in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 yeah. Giving a one for Fitz is not a bad thing. it's guaranteed production.... Especially with this year's draft class being subpar. Had this been a great draft class, then I'd be skeptical. Knox and a #1 for Fitz and a #3 or 4 would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think JA should give his right testical for Larry Fitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I think JA should give his right testical for Larry Fitz And his hair care products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 THose have more value than his nuts... And his hair care products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 About 2 months ago, we all went over this same thing. I said I'd gladly give up Knox and a 1st, and I was called an idiot BECUZ WE NEED AN OL WITH R 1ST PICK MHWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1 What gives now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 My logic is that JA will F up the pick, I'd rather get something solid. About 2 months ago, we all went over this same thing. I said I'd gladly give up Knox and a 1st, and I was called an idiot BECUZ WE NEED AN OL WITH R 1ST PICK MHWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1 What gives now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 My logic is that JA will F up the pick, I'd rather get something solid. And even if he did get it right, that pick would never add up to the level of impact that Fitzgerald would bring to this team anyways. This is a no brainer if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 And even if he did get it right, that pick would never add up to the level of impact that Fitzgerald would bring to this team anyways. This is a no brainer if you ask me. I would trade our first (#29) and Knox for Fitzgerald. I am not sure if that will be enough. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I would trade our first (#29) and Knox for Fitzgerald. I am not sure if that will be enough. Peace If that's not enough, then I don't think you do the deal; there's not much else that the Bears could/should give up (Unless they really want Hanie). I wouldn't give up 2 first rounders for him, 1 first round pick out of 5 years just sounds like a mess; way to keep making the team older, and there's other WR who can be had for just money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 If that's not enough, then I don't think you do the deal; there's not much else that the Bears could/should give up (Unless they really want Hanie). I wouldn't give up 2 first rounders for him, 1 first round pick out of 5 years just sounds like a mess; way to keep making the team older, and there's other WR who can be had for just money. There's no way in hell that's enough. For 2 reasons: 1. When there's a new CBA, the one thing that seems certain is there will be a rookie wage scale. Without having to spend 100 million, those top 10 picks will be golden. Previously, teams would have been happy with the #29 so they'd get a first round talent at a bargain price. Not anymore. Why would AZ settle for the #29? 2. What's Knox worth? He looks like he's 5-5, he's not a precise route runner, and he causes interceptions. In the NFC championsip game, the CB intercepts the pass, gets up and runs, and Knox is standing there with his arms held up. He has the ability to be a great slot WR. No more, no less. He ain't that valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 There's no way in hell that's enough. For 2 reasons: 1. When there's a new CBA, the one thing that seems certain is there will be a rookie wage scale. Without having to spend 100 million, those top 10 picks will be golden. Previously, teams would have been happy with the #29 so they'd get a first round talent at a bargain price. Not anymore. Why would AZ settle for the #29? 2. What's Knox worth? He looks like he's 5-5, he's not a precise route runner, and he causes interceptions. In the NFC championsip game, the CB intercepts the pass, gets up and runs, and Knox is standing there with his arms held up. He has the ability to be a great slot WR. No more, no less. He ain't that valuable. IF that's not enough for him, then spend that pick on an O-lineman and go make Vincent Jackson or SIdney Rice an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 It might cost two 1sts or a 1st and 3rd plus Knox or something. I would heavily consider it, Idk if the Bears would. But it's worth looking in to. If the Bears can't get anything done then they need to go after Jackson or Sidney Rice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearsFan1974 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 It might cost two 1sts or a 1st and 3rd plus Knox or something. I would heavily consider it, Idk if the Bears would. But it's worth looking in to. If the Bears can't get anything done then they need to go after Jackson or Sidney Rice. While I agree with getting Fitz, VJack, Rice, or even Plax, none of these guys will be difference makers unless Cutler has time to get them the ball. But this is preaching to the choir because the world knows we need OLine help. Our $$$ needs to be spent on Mankins. Remember, it we get Fitz, we get his contract as well. With the exception of last year, we have been known to pinch the pennies when it comes to free agency. We would have to get an extension out of Fitz because his contract is only good until FA 2012 and I don't want to give a #1 pick and Knox or whatever for one season. That to me is not worth it unless we get that extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiantgiant Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 If they can afford his contract and not give up too much value in the draft, that would be a huge get for Chicago. Fitz is exactly the receiver Cutler needs - a downfield threat, but one who's completely dominant in jump-ball situations. A lot of those picks and incompletions would turn into receptions if we had Fitzgerald on board. That said, they'd have to make sure they had enough ammunition left to fix the offensive line, although it's possible they could still do it with a 2nd and some later picks. Also, remember that Arizona's front office has asked for more than a player was worth in trade talks before - Jerry tried to land Boldin with the Bears' 2nd-rounder a couple of years ago, but the Cards wouldn't take less than a 1st. Then the next year they ended up trading him to Baltimore for what, a 3rd and a 4th? Unless they've learned from that episode, I wouldn't be surprised if they were asking for two 1sts for Fitz or something like that. EDIT: Just to chime in on what everybody else here is saying, I'm a big fan of Knox (despite his shortcomings) as a #2/deep threat kind of receiver, and I'd still trade him and a 1st for Fitz in a heartbeat. Fitz/Hester/Bennett is a great group of WRs, and they can pick somebody up late in the draft to be the #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 While I agree with getting Fitz, VJack, Rice, or even Plax, none of these guys will be difference makers unless Cutler has time to get them the ball. Oh yes they would! Especially with Fitzgerald. Think of how many coverage sacks this team gave up this year because nobody got open. Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best improvisers as far as breaking a route and getting open, in the game today. Just looking at his stats he had 90 catches this season. 90?!?! With those quarterbacks??? Yes we all know the offensive line is the main priority this season but if you have the opportunity to get a talent like Fitty, he's the guy you get over anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Oh yes they would! Especially with Fitzgerald. Think of how many coverage sacks this team gave up this year because nobody got open. Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best improvisers as far as breaking a route and getting open, in the game today. Just looking at his stats he had 90 catches this season. 90?!?! With those quarterbacks??? Yes we all know the offensive line is the main priority this season but if you have the opportunity to get a talent like Fitty, he's the guy you get over anybody else. You're still not answering the actual question though...how much are you willing to give up for him? Everyone would love him, obviously, and he'd help. Would you be willing to give up say, the next 2 first round draft picks for him, and at the same time not be able to add a FA offensive lineman, and thus have to take what's available in rounds 2 and later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 You're still not answering the actual question though...how much are you willing to give up for him? Everyone would love him, obviously, and he'd help. Would you be willing to give up say, the next 2 first round draft picks for him, and at the same time not be able to add a FA offensive lineman, and thus have to take what's available in rounds 2 and later? I thought I did a few posts above this one. But yeah I would give up a 1st, a 3rd, and Johnny Knox if it came down to it. As I said before, the impact of Larry Fitzgerald would be invaluable to the impact of any offensive lineman we pick up if any this offseason. If the price is two first rounders, I'd flinch at first but I probably would do that too. It's not like our pick is going to be in the low teens either and If I'm confident in my team I'd venture to say we should be right back in the hunt for the superbowl again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I thought I did a few posts above this one. But yeah I would give up a 1st, a 3rd, and Johnny Knox if it came down to it. As I said before, the impact of Larry Fitzgerald would be invaluable to the impact of any offensive lineman we pick up if any this offseason. If the price is two first rounders, I'd flinch at first but I probably would do that too. It's not like our pick is going to be in the low teens either and If I'm confident in my team I'd venture to say we should be right back in the hunt for the superbowl again next year. If that was the price, I'd pay it, but I'd imagine that the Cards would be looking for the Cutler-level deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvflutop Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 would you make the trade if you could get him for knox and hanie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I didn't even read the entire thread. I'm still against the idea. I think it's a horrible idea. He's great, but the Bears have MUCH more pressing needs than Fitz. OT, OG, FS, DT. All of those positions need to be addressed before JA starts trading ANOTHER first round pick away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Oh yes they would! Especially with Fitzgerald. Think of how many coverage sacks this team gave up this year because nobody got open. Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best improvisers as far as breaking a route and getting open, in the game today. Just looking at his stats he had 90 catches this season. 90?!?! With those quarterbacks??? Yes we all know the offensive line is the main priority this season but if you have the opportunity to get a talent like Fitty, he's the guy you get over anybody else. If Cutler is getting sacked on 3-step drops, bombed on 5-step drops, and concussed on 7-step drops, when the hell does he have time to wait for Fitzgerald to improvise - which indicates a play that has gone beyond the original design - on his route? You're thinking far too one-dimensionally. Yes, he had 90 catches. How many were because A] he was the only option or B] the Cardinals were losing and had to throw or C] the Cardinals running game sucked? Last but not least, you do not get him "over anybody else." That's the same kind of fantasy football thinking that has made Dan Snyder a joke of an owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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