Chitownhustla Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Chicago Bears Ranked 5th in ticket price in NFL In the 2nd biggest market Bottom 5 of player spending But they are going to raise ticket prices??? Can someone please explain player spending and how the players contracts count against the cap?? IF a player makes 10,000,000 a year but gets a 5,000,000 bonus does the 15,000,000 count against the cap? or is it the 10,000,000??? Are there teams spending 150,000,000 a year on players but because the way the contracts are written only count 115,000,000 against the cap?? Anyone that could explain how all this works i would greatly appreciate it being in the top 2 markets and top 5 in tickets prices(even tho we are in one of the smallest stadiums in the NFL, one reason they actually made the stadium smaller was to have more corp boxes which are a premium money ticket) does it not make sense that the Bears at least be in the top 10 of player spending???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvflutop Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Chicago Bears Ranked 5th in ticket price in NFL In the 2nd biggest market Bottom 5 of player spending But they are going to raise ticket prices??? Can someone please explain player spending and how the players contracts count against the cap?? IF a player makes 10,000,000 a year but gets a 5,000,000 bonus does the 15,000,000 count against the cap? or is it the 10,000,000??? Are there teams spending 150,000,000 a year on players but because the way the contracts are written only count 115,000,000 against the cap?? Anyone that could explain how all this works i would greatly appreciate it being in the top 2 markets and top 5 in tickets prices(even tho we are in one of the smallest stadiums in the NFL, one reason they actually made the stadium smaller was to have more corp boxes which are a premium money ticket) does it not make sense that the Bears at least be in the top 10 of player spending???? I'm no expert by far, but I believe the way it works is the cap count is the yearly salary plus the bonus divided up along all of the years of the contract... so at 10mil a year with a 5 mil bonus on a 4 year contract would equate to a 11.25 mil cap number... anyone please feel free to correct any incorrect information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I'm no expert by far, but I believe the way it works is the cap count is the yearly salary plus the bonus divided up along all of the years of the contract... so at 10mil a year with a 5 mil bonus on a 4 year contract would equate to a 11.25 mil cap number... anyone please feel free to correct any incorrect information. Your right with all of that. They raised prices because they can. The wait list is to long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Exactly. As long as tickets actually selling on StubHub are higher than face value, expect face value prices to rise. Your right with all of that. They raised prices because they can. The wait list is to long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitownhustla Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Your right with all of that. They raised prices because they can. The wait list is to long. OK i get what you are saying. So all the teams can only pay up to the cap limit with salary and bonus being averaged per year. there is no way to spend more then the cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Exactly. As long as tickets actually selling on StubHub are higher than face value, expect face value prices to rise. Yep. Which is BS for the die-hard fan who can only get to Chicago once per year. Because some asshole PSL holder is going to get a handful of tickets, sell all but three or four games, make a massive profit on the games he doesn't attend, and screw over another fan for profit. Meanwhile, the single-game tickets are sold out in about 5 minutes every year because we're like 10,000 starving people at a small family picnic, and some other group of assholes have computer businesses set up to auto-dial and log into Ticketbastard when the time is right and scavenge thousands of tickets faster than any of us could hope to log in a second time. That's where captcha comes in, you have to have a person sitting at the keyboard so the programs don't work. No worries, those same assholes set up a business in a 3rd world Asian country where they pay 50 people 10 cents a day to click the log in program, type in the captcha, and nab the tickets. Then the worst assholes, the scalpers. How these guys get the tickets they get I'll never fully understand, but I suspect it has to do with inside connections of some sort. They circle around the stadium because they "need" tickets, but have a back pocket full of ways to screw over the average fan who just wants to watch a game. The whole system is BS and will never change. Raising the price only screws the average fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Exactly! The average hardcore fan is LUCKY to go w/o paying a king's ransom! I've lucked into getting ticketmaster "day of on-sale" tickets about 3 times in my life. Once we paid for club seats at the gate on gameday. ($250 a pop) Another time we bought scalped, and they ended up being fake, and lost about $150 per person. Cariagslist a few times and StubHub a few more. Although I don't think raising the price really hurts the average fan. In fact, it may help. By attempting to reach market level (which is what the sites and scalpers sell at), you eliminate the middle-man, and the fan can purchase directly from the stadium. When prices are set artificially loo low, the profit incentive to too high for others to not swoop in and buy up what they can. This same thing happens in the concert business all the time. Yep. Which is BS for the die-hard fan who can only get to Chicago once per year. Because some asshole PSL holder is going to get a handful of tickets, sell all but three or four games, make a massive profit on the games he doesn't attend, and screw over another fan for profit. Meanwhile, the single-game tickets are sold out in about 5 minutes every year because we're like 10,000 starving people at a small family picnic, and some other group of assholes have computer businesses set up to auto-dial and log into Ticketbastard when the time is right and scavenge thousands of tickets faster than any of us could hope to log in a second time. That's where captcha comes in, you have to have a person sitting at the keyboard so the programs don't work. No worries, those same assholes set up a business in a 3rd world Asian country where they pay 50 people 10 cents a day to click the log in program, type in the captcha, and nab the tickets. Then the worst assholes, the scalpers. How these guys get the tickets they get I'll never fully understand, but I suspect it has to do with inside connections of some sort. They circle around the stadium because they "need" tickets, but have a back pocket full of ways to screw over the average fan who just wants to watch a game. The whole system is BS and will never change. Raising the price only screws the average fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Just from a business perspective, I think it's maddening that the Bears so completely fail to take advantage of the market for their product. That's one of the few franchises in the league that could easily fill a Jerry Jones style mega palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I had bad seats to watch a real bad Illinois basketball team for $40.00 a ticket. The Illini play 20 home games a year while the Bears play 8 regular season games. Last season cheap seats ran something like $73.00 on Ticketbastard. Sports are too damn expensive. The Bears were idiots for building a 63,000 seat stadium. I know there were logistical reasons but that's a real bad NFL stadium, especially compared to Washington and Dallas. I'm in favor of the Bears drastically increasing ticket prices just to get rid of scalping. The supply does not meet the demand. I'd much rather see the money going back into the team to help sign players. I go to one game a year and I can barely afford it since it's so damn expensive. When you factor in taking the kids, it's ridiculous. But I'd rataher see the money go back to the franchise than the scalpers. Yep. Which is BS for the die-hard fan who can only get to Chicago once per year. Because some asshole PSL holder is going to get a handful of tickets, sell all but three or four games, make a massive profit on the games he doesn't attend, and screw over another fan for profit. Meanwhile, the single-game tickets are sold out in about 5 minutes every year because we're like 10,000 starving people at a small family picnic, and some other group of assholes have computer businesses set up to auto-dial and log into Ticketbastard when the time is right and scavenge thousands of tickets faster than any of us could hope to log in a second time. That's where captcha comes in, you have to have a person sitting at the keyboard so the programs don't work. No worries, those same assholes set up a business in a 3rd world Asian country where they pay 50 people 10 cents a day to click the log in program, type in the captcha, and nab the tickets. Then the worst assholes, the scalpers. How these guys get the tickets they get I'll never fully understand, but I suspect it has to do with inside connections of some sort. They circle around the stadium because they "need" tickets, but have a back pocket full of ways to screw over the average fan who just wants to watch a game. The whole system is BS and will never change. Raising the price only screws the average fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chwtom Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 The Bears should go to a dynmaic pricing system. As demand goes up, a computer program automatically raises ticket prices on a minute by minute basis. If people slow their buying, then prices go down. It would effectively put scalpers out of business. Since I go to maybe one game a year, I wouldn't mind if the Bears doubled ticket prices, as long as that money turned us into a top 5 spender every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 The Bears should go to a dynmaic pricing system. As demand goes up, a computer program automatically raises ticket prices on a minute by minute basis. If people slow their buying, then prices go down. It would effectively put scalpers out of business. Since I go to maybe one game a year, I wouldn't mind if the Bears doubled ticket prices, as long as that money turned us into a top 5 spender every year. I don't think that would work in the least. Imagine this scenario: The people who have those mega-ticket purchase operations setup in Singapore log in the same time we all do for the single-game tickets. Let's say they buy 75% of the first 10,000 sold. Now prices have gone up drastically and outpriced many who were counting on being in the first 10K. So the pool of people able/willing to buy diminishes, and the business continues on. This time at a higher percentage because there are less people and computers to compete with their manpower and bandwidth. So on and so on until sold out. Then those same assholes use all their tickets and immediately put them on TicketBastard, StubRob, and the other sites that exploit the inability of average fans to get tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT2_3 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Chicago Bears Ranked 5th in ticket price in NFL In the 2nd biggest market Bottom 5 of player spending But they are going to raise ticket prices??? Can someone please explain player spending and how the players contracts count against the cap?? IF a player makes 10,000,000 a year but gets a 5,000,000 bonus does the 15,000,000 count against the cap? or is it the 10,000,000??? Are there teams spending 150,000,000 a year on players but because the way the contracts are written only count 115,000,000 against the cap?? Anyone that could explain how all this works i would greatly appreciate it being in the top 2 markets and top 5 in tickets prices(even tho we are in one of the smallest stadiums in the NFL, one reason they actually made the stadium smaller was to have more corp boxes which are a premium money ticket) does it not make sense that the Bears at least be in the top 10 of player spending???? The problem with looking at player spending vs. the cap is that it's variable. Let's say the Bears sign 3 players with large bonuses this year. Player 1 - 4 years - $16 million bonus with $5 mil salary this year Player 2 - 4 years - $10 million bonus with $4 mil salary this year Player 3 - 3 years - $9 million bonus wit $3 mil salary this year If that is the case, then the bears have spent $47 million this year but only around $21.5 million counts against the cap. Where the newspaper article talking about this is so retarded, is that if you don't sign guys to big new contracts the following year, those same guys from above, if their salaries stay the same, you would actually only pay them $12 million in year 2, but they would still cost $21.5 million against the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Agreed. The pricing should reflect market value form the get-go. Up front more than back, etc... It may price some out of the market, but it would drive the profitability down to nothing for scalpers. I don't think that would work in the least. Imagine this scenario: The people who have those mega-ticket purchase operations setup in Singapore log in the same time we all do for the single-game tickets. Let's say they buy 75% of the first 10,000 sold. Now prices have gone up drastically and outpriced many who were counting on being in the first 10K. So the pool of people able/willing to buy diminishes, and the business continues on. This time at a higher percentage because there are less people and computers to compete with their manpower and bandwidth. So on and so on until sold out. Then those same assholes use all their tickets and immediately put them on TicketBastard, StubRob, and the other sites that exploit the inability of average fans to get tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Agreed. The pricing should reflect market value form the get-go. Up front more than back, etc... It may price some out of the market, but it would drive the profitability down to nothing for scalpers. The only way to get it under control is to not buy them. I know for someone like myself who is able to watch every Bear game without a hitch at home on TV that is easy to say but , the McKaskeys know that if there are empty seats showing in one of the smallest capacity stadiums in the league they need to address the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 True. Although, face value the tickets are relatively cheap enough for any fan to go at just face value. It's when the scalpers get them, the prices go up. Once the prices get too high, then you'll see empty seats! As long as the team sells them cheap enough, it'll always sell out. Then the scalpers take the risk at how much they can get. The only way to get it under control is to not buy them. I know for someone like myself who is able to watch every Bear game without a hitch at home on TV that is easy to say but , the McKaskeys know that if there are empty seats showing in one of the smallest capacity stadiums in the league they need to address the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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