scs787 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I for one am not worried about the WR core this year, BM is obviously a number 1. I think Bennett, with his connection with Cutler going back through Vandy, is a SOLID #2 who I think can really develop into a #1b and IMO thats not even up for debate. I also think if hes utilized properly, like a Brandon Stokley, Hester will be a real good #3. I think people forget that not too long ago Hester put up 700+ yards in a season and if utilized correctly I dont see why he cant have another good year this year with more weapons around them or at least put up good #3 receiver numbers(500-600yds id say). I took a look at the 2008 Denver Broncos, the year Cutler went to the pro bowl and put up over 4500yds and IMO the receiver core is just about a push, but the Broncos didnt have nearly as good a running game as the Bears have this year. BM=BM I think Earl Bennett has the potential to be better than 08 Eddie Royal, if not its only because the bears will run more than that team thus lower numbers in the passing game. As I eluded to earlier I think Hester can equal what Stokley was for that team. Stokley had 49 receptions for 528 yards, worse numbers than what Hester put up in 08 09 and similar to what he put up in 10. Weems can also take over on kicks and punts so Hester can focus on WR The other 2 WR on that team were a 30 year old Darrel Jackson in the last year of his career who put up a whooping 12 catches for 190 yards. Then you've got Nate Jackson who managed 11 catches for 84 yards. I think there's really no question that Thomas and Sanz can at least match that. The 08 Broncos did have 2 TEs with 30+ receptions, and in the mock drafts I've posted I do have the bears taking a TE...But the Broncos only got 33 rec from all their backs combined so having Forte and Bush who are both excellent in the pass game so i think that more than makes up for it, along with the fact that I think Sanz and Thomas are a distance better than the 2 Jacksons Denver had. That Broncos team was 8-8 even though they ranked dead last in takeaways, 2nd to last in points allowed, and allowed 2337 on the ground compared to last years bears that were 11th, 14th, and gave up 1542. The Bears out rushed them by 200yds as well even without Forte for 4 games and this year we have an even better backup. All those things considered you've gotta believe this team is AT LEAST 2 or 3 games better than that Broncos team and 10-6 or 11-5 will almost certainly get you into the playoffs and once they get there, if everyones healthy they can surely do some damage. With all that said I'll even throw in my up to date mock draft based on the latest Walterfootball. 1RD Nick Perry DE USC ----- I wouldn't mind going with a CB here but I think the DE class is too weak to wait.....I know people will ask why i didnt mention OL here and thats simply because I'm going off a mock draft and can see my OL guys there in the 2nd for me and that guy is... 2RD Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin -------I love the idea of bring in another Wisconsin OL, year in and year out they always seem to have the best OL in college so its not a bad thing... If Lance Louis or anyone really can make the transition to LG then I'd love to see a Williams-Louis-Garza-Zeitler-Carimi O-line next year. any guard combo works really, I just like the idea of havin the 2 Wisconsin guys next to each other. 3RD Trumaine Johnson CB Montana or Casey Hayward CB Vandy -------- Love what both the scouting reports have to say about them, I think either or would be a good pickup here. 4RD Ladarius Green TE ULL ------- This pick has been on walterfootballs draft every time I've looked at it and I've agreed with it from day 1...Only problem I see with him from the scouting reports is hes not much of a blocker but in Tices system thats not as much of big deal as it woulda been last year. This guy looks to have huge upside coming out of the 4th round. Him with Davis gives Cutler the 2 TEs he had in Denver. 5RD Bruce Irvin OLB WVU ----- I think this would be an amazing pick up in the 5th, one report I read has him as a top 50 prospect in the draft. Very raw but who better to coach up a raw LB than Briggs, Urlacher, and Lovie. Dude ran a 4.38, thats crazy talk for an LB. Writing all that has served its purpose in making me sleepy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I know the crop of them is weak, but the only complaint I have is that I think the need for a tackle is much greater than the need for a guard, and if you're getting a lineman in the draft he better be able to play 1 of the 2 tackle spots. But if you pick up good value, that's fine. You've covered pretty much every position of need in some way otherwise. Tell me more about that CB. Big, physical guy or short speedy guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I for one am not worried about the WR core this year, BM is obviously a number 1. I think Bennett, with his connection with Cutler going back through Vandy, is a SOLID #2 who I think can really develop into a #1b and IMO thats not even up for debate. I also think if hes utilized properly, like a Brandon Stokley, Hester will be a real good #3. I think people forget that not too long ago Hester put up 700+ yards in a season and if utilized correctly I dont see why he cant have another good year this year with more weapons around them or at least put up good #3 receiver numbers(500-600yds id say). I took a look at the 2008 Denver Broncos, the year Cutler went to the pro bowl and put up over 4500yds and IMO the receiver core is just about a push, but the Broncos didnt have nearly as good a running game as the Bears have this year. BM=BM I think Earl Bennett has the potential to be better than 08 Eddie Royal, if not its only because the bears will run more than that team thus lower numbers in the passing game. As I eluded to earlier I think Hester can equal what Stokley was for that team. Stokley had 49 receptions for 528 yards, worse numbers than what Hester put up in 08 09 and similar to what he put up in 10. Weems can also take over on kicks and punts so Hester can focus on WR The other 2 WR on that team were a 30 year old Darrel Jackson in the last year of his career who put up a whooping 12 catches for 190 yards. Then you've got Nate Jackson who managed 11 catches for 84 yards. I think there's really no question that Thomas and Sanz can at least match that. The 08 Broncos did have 2 TEs with 30+ receptions, and in the mock drafts I've posted I do have the bears taking a TE...But the Broncos only got 33 rec from all their backs combined so having Forte and Bush who are both excellent in the pass game so i think that more than makes up for it, along with the fact that I think Sanz and Thomas are a distance better than the 2 Jacksons Denver had. That Broncos team was 8-8 even though they ranked dead last in takeaways, 2nd to last in points allowed, and allowed 2337 on the ground compared to last years bears that were 11th, 14th, and gave up 1542. The Bears out rushed them by 200yds as well even without Forte for 4 games and this year we have an even better backup. All those things considered you've gotta believe this team is AT LEAST 2 or 3 games better than that Broncos team and 10-6 or 11-5 will almost certainly get you into the playoffs and once they get there, if everyones healthy they can surely do some damage. With all that said I'll even throw in my up to date mock draft based on the latest Walterfootball. 1RD Nick Perry DE USC ----- I wouldn't mind going with a CB here but I think the DE class is too weak to wait.....I know people will ask why i didnt mention OL here and thats simply because I'm going off a mock draft and can see my OL guys there in the 2nd for me and that guy is... 2RD Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin -------I love the idea of bring in another Wisconsin OL, year in and year out they always seem to have the best OL in college so its not a bad thing... If Lance Louis or anyone really can make the transition to LG then I'd love to see a Williams-Louis-Garza-Zeitler-Carimi O-line next year. any guard combo works really, I just like the idea of havin the 2 Wisconsin guys next to each other. 3RD Trumaine Johnson CB Montana or Casey Hayward CB Vandy -------- Love what both the scouting reports have to say about them, I think either or would be a good pickup here. 4RD Ladarius Green TE ULL ------- This pick has been on walterfootballs draft every time I've looked at it and I've agreed with it from day 1...Only problem I see with him from the scouting reports is hes not much of a blocker but in Tices system thats not as much of big deal as it woulda been last year. This guy looks to have huge upside coming out of the 4th round. Him with Davis gives Cutler the 2 TEs he had in Denver. 5RD Bruce Irvin OLB WVU ----- I think this would be an amazing pick up in the 5th, one report I read has him as a top 50 prospect in the draft. Very raw but who better to coach up a raw LB than Briggs, Urlacher, and Lovie. Dude ran a 4.38, thats crazy talk for an LB. Writing all that has served its purpose in making me sleepy.. Perry is a reach at 19, there is only two DEs that are deserving of a 19th pick, Ingram, and Coples. The problem with reaching at that spot is , you need an impact player at that spot and he could be possible there in the second. In that second tier who could be there at #2 could be Perry, Mercilus, Branch, Johnson. Irwin will never be there at 5, Everybody has seen his speed, he will never make it past the third round. I think if we pick a OL in the second round, it will more likely be a OT. We have a Louis, Spencer, Williams, and Cris Williams, if they dont change him to LT, so they will be more in need of another tackle than guard. Teams get in trouble when they reach for players, all the good drafting teams take a valved player, and since we have several spots to fill, will find one at 19 between OT,DE,CB, or WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Perry is a reach at 19, there is only two DEs that are deserving of a 19th pick, Ingram, and Coples. The problem with reaching at that spot is , you need an impact player at that spot and he could be possible there in the second. In that second tier who could be there at #2 could be Perry, Mercilus, Branch, Johnson. Irwin will never be there at 5, Everybody has seen his speed, he will never make it past the third round. I think if we pick a OL in the second round, it will more likely be a OT. We have a Louis, Spencer, Williams, and Cris Williams, if they dont change him to LT, so they will be more in need of another tackle than guard. Teams get in trouble when they reach for players, all the good drafting teams take a valved player, and since we have several spots to fill, will find one at 19 between OT,DE,CB, or WR. I'll have to do more research but I thought most drafts had Perry as a second-half to late first round pick. I don't see him being there for us in the second round. We might be reaching a bit to take him at 19 but his ability seems to fit Lovie's system perfectly and there is a large need to get someone with speed rushing ability who can dip their shoulder and get around the edge. After Perry and Mercilus I don't see anyone else who will help our D nearly as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I know the crop of them is weak, but the only complaint I have is that I think the need for a tackle is much greater than the need for a guard, and if you're getting a lineman in the draft he better be able to play 1 of the 2 tackle spots. But if you pick up good value, that's fine. You've covered pretty much every position of need in some way otherwise. Tell me more about that CB. Big, physical guy or short speedy guy? Chris Williams was drafted as a OT and I think he moves back there next year and our OTs will be him and Carimi. As it was pointed out on this board before CW has not looked bad when he was out there at LT so IMO the tackle spots should be set. Trumaine Johnson is a big 6'2" physical back with long arms who breaks up a ton of passes. This quote was on one of his scouting reports "an NFC scout who recently paid a visit to Missoula, Johnson has “rare physical tools” and he should be one of the first corners drafted based on his size, speed and potential." So if he's there in the 3rd like the WF mock draft suggests then hes a great pick here...Casey Hayward is the smaller of the 2 at 5'11" and seems to be the more intelligent ball player. Perry is a reach at 19, there is only two DEs that are deserving of a 19th pick, Ingram, and Coples. The problem with reaching at that spot is , you need an impact player at that spot and he could be possible there in the second. In that second tier who could be there at #2 could be Perry, Mercilus, Branch, Johnson. Irwin will never be there at 5, Everybody has seen his speed, he will never make it past the third round. I think if we pick a OL in the second round, it will more likely be a OT. We have a Louis, Spencer, Williams, and Cris Williams, if they dont change him to LT, so they will be more in need of another tackle than guard. Teams get in trouble when they reach for players, all the good drafting teams take a valved player, and since we have several spots to fill, will find one at 19 between OT,DE,CB, or WR. Perrys a first round talent without question IMO, in the WF draft hes taken 7 spots after the Bears pick so that shows its not much of a reach. My whole mock draft is based off a completed mock draft so I made this pick looking ahead and there are no impact DE there in the 2nd round. Cam Johnson is there in the 3rd round but what that tells me is he's not an impact DE and I wanna see the Bears go for a DE in the first or 2nd. When I read the scouting report on Irwin I was shocked to see the WF mock have him going in the 5th round too, and once again thats what my mock is based off of is the WF mock so do i think he'll be there in 5th? not a chance but I'm just going off the mock I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Chris Williams was drafted as a OT and I think he moves back there next year and our OTs will be him and Carimi. As it was pointed out on this board before CW has not looked bad when he was out there at LT so IMO the tackle spots should be set. Trumaine Johnson is a big 6'2" physical back with long arms who breaks up a ton of passes. This quote was on one of his scouting reports "an NFC scout who recently paid a visit to Missoula, Johnson has “rare physical tools” and he should be one of the first corners drafted based on his size, speed and potential." So if he's there in the 3rd like the WF mock draft suggests then hes a great pick here...Casey Hayward is the smaller of the 2 at 5'11" and seems to be the more intelligent ball player. Perrys a first round talent without question IMO, in the WF draft hes taken 7 spots after the Bears pick so that shows its not much of a reach. My whole mock draft is based off a completed mock draft so I made this pick looking ahead and there are no impact DE there in the 2nd round. Cam Johnson is there in the 3rd round but what that tells me is he's not an impact DE and I wanna see the Bears go for a DE in the first or 2nd. When I read the scouting report on Irwin I was shocked to see the WF mock have him going in the 5th round too, and once again thats what my mock is based off of is the WF mock so do i think he'll be there in 5th? not a chance but I'm just going off the mock I saw. As far as valve of players, I find Pro Football Weekly and National Football Post, to my liking. I think they do a accruate job, but there are tons of websites out there to confuse any valve other than the front of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Chris Williams was drafted as a OT and I think he moves back there next year and our OTs will be him and Carimi. As it was pointed out on this board before CW has not looked bad when he was out there at LT so IMO the tackle spots should be set. Trumaine Johnson is a big 6'2" physical back with long arms who breaks up a ton of passes. This quote was on one of his scouting reports "an NFC scout who recently paid a visit to Missoula, Johnson has “rare physical tools” and he should be one of the first corners drafted based on his size, speed and potential." So if he's there in the 3rd like the WF mock draft suggests then hes a great pick here...Casey Hayward is the smaller of the 2 at 5'11" and seems to be the more intelligent ball player. Perrys a first round talent without question IMO, in the WF draft hes taken 7 spots after the Bears pick so that shows its not much of a reach. My whole mock draft is based off a completed mock draft so I made this pick looking ahead and there are no impact DE there in the 2nd round. Cam Johnson is there in the 3rd round but what that tells me is he's not an impact DE and I wanna see the Bears go for a DE in the first or 2nd. When I read the scouting report on Irwin I was shocked to see the WF mock have him going in the 5th round too, and once again thats what my mock is based off of is the WF mock so do i think he'll be there in 5th? not a chance but I'm just going off the mock I saw. If Cris Williams was so good at LT I dont think he would have been playing LG. I think he didnt meet expectations and they moved him around to try to find some valve with him. He is not a bust, but not who I want playing the LT spot going into 2012, we should shoot higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 If Cris Williams was so good at LT I dont think he would have been playing LG. I think he didnt meet expectations and they moved him around to try to find some valve with him. He is not a bust, but not who I want playing the LT spot going into 2012, we should shoot higher than that. Please stop. How many times do I have to discredit and disprove this nonsense? Chris Williams did NOT get moved out of LT because he didn't meet expectations. Period. It's not up for debate. Just like before... Recap 2008 - Injured 2009 - Got screwed because of the Pace signing, ended up replacing Pace 2010 - Started LT, got injured, then got screwed because he was versatile and Garza was injured 2011 - Never given a shot at LT while Webb sucked ass The primary reason he's not the current LT is Tice bucked the common trend of giving the starting job to the starter when he comes off of injury. That, and the fact that Garza was injured, forced Tice's hand and allowed him to figure out a way to place his boy Webb in at LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Please stop. How many times do I have to discredit and disprove this nonsense? Chris Williams did NOT get moved out of LT because he didn't meet expectations. Period. It's not up for debate. Just like before... Recap 2008 - Injured 2009 - Got screwed because of the Pace signing, ended up replacing Pace 2010 - Started LT, got injured, then got screwed because he was versatile and Garza was injured 2011 - Never given a shot at LT while Webb sucked ass The primary reason he's not the current LT is Tice bucked the common trend of giving the starting job to the starter when he comes off of injury. That, and the fact that Garza was injured, forced Tice's hand and allowed him to figure out a way to place his boy Webb in at LT. I get your research, my point is I dont think he is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I get your research, my point is I dont think he is very good. If that is the case, and Lovie Smith and Mike Tice still start him next season...then the end result will be that all 3 are replaced. That goes for Webb also. This is one of those "Playoffs or firing" seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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