Stinger226 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 They played on the SCORE today an interview with Tice and he talked about Carmi not being up to par yet and might have to rest him quite a bit. THAT IS NOT GOOD NEWS. With the great C. Williams as our backup OT , that is not good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 They played on the SCORE today an interview with Tice and he talked about Carmi not being up to par yet and might have to rest him quite a bit. THAT IS NOT GOOD NEWS. With the great C. Williams as our backup OT , that is not good news. Thats Jerrys Kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 My understanding was they have been resting him a bit as he's still getting in game shape and recovering and they don't expect him to get back to 100% until he plays in real games as there is no way to simulate some of the endurance necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 My understanding was they have been resting him a bit as he's still getting in game shape and recovering and they don't expect him to get back to 100% until he plays in real games as there is no way to simulate some of the endurance necessary. From the articles i saw its basically wait and see.. i think the guy is fine personally. but here we are again with angelo and drafting injury history guys...(lovie written all ovet them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Wow. So, let me get this straight... Webb sucks, but will start at LT (despite the fact that Williams outplayed him this preseason). Spencer sucks, but will start at LG. Garza is an OG, but has played pretty well at C, where he starts. Louis, a 7th rounder, is probably the most stable guy on the OL, and he starts at RG. Carimi, is not fully healthy, and will start (mostly) at RT. Cutler has to be thrilled about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 From the articles i saw its basically wait and see.. i think the guy is fine personally. but here we are again with angelo and drafting injury history guys...(lovie written all ovet them) The guy had one injury at Wisconsin. One. He got hurt while playing. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 The guy had one injury at Wisconsin. One. He got hurt while playing. Give me a break. ya no shit.. dislocated kneecap... and looked what happened Week2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 This is a big deal. I can't believe Tice just now came out and talked about it. This injury has been ongoing since week 2 of last season when it was initially thought to be an injury that may keep him out a few months and it's now lingered through this season. Not good. The last thing you want to do is to be switching lineman in and out during a regular season game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Wow. So, let me get this straight... Webb sucks, but will start at LT (despite the fact that Williams outplayed him this preseason). Spencer sucks, but will start at LG. Garza is an OG, but has played pretty well at C, where he starts. Louis, a 7th rounder, is probably the most stable guy on the OL, and he starts at RG. Carimi, is not fully healthy, and will start (mostly) at RT. Cutler has to be thrilled about this. Right on all counts except that Williams outplayed Webb. But then again, suck is suck. It's all just shades of gray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyBear Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Man you guys are way off on this. What he said was the endurance of the leg is not totally back yet. Not that its hurt or otherwise. He went on to say Cazrimi played really well in the last game and the leg will be fine with game play. here is the link to video of the interview. http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/vid...44-5f0f5bac3fe3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Man you guys are way off on this. What he said was the endurance of the leg is not totally back yet. Not that its hurt or otherwise. He went on to say Cazrimi played really well in the last game and the leg will be fine with game play. here is the link to video of the interview. http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/vid...44-5f0f5bac3fe3 Thats how I took it too Grizzly. It's a conditioning issue that will take time to regain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Right on all counts except that Williams outplayed Webb. But then again, suck is suck. It's all just shades of gray... I've gone on record as saying I don't see how anyone can say Webb outplayed Williams this preseason. It's almost unanimous that Williams did better in the first two games, and in the third game against the Giants I have a play by play breakdown that says Williams did better. I'd love to hear someone actually break down plays and make a case for Webb other than, "I think he played better" or "It just seems like he did better." I'm open to it, but I just don't think it's realistic when focusing on what the player does each play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 I've gone on record as saying I don't see how anyone can say Webb outplayed Williams this preseason. It's almost unanimous that Williams did better in the first two games, and in the third game against the Giants I have a play by play breakdown that says Williams did better. I'd love to hear someone actually break down plays and make a case for Webb other than, "I think he played better" or "It just seems like he did better." I'm open to it, but I just don't think it's realistic when focusing on what the player does each play. I may regret doing this but I agree that Williams is the better option. Like I noted before (think it was game two against Wash) the team was doing two person swaps throughout the game. I believe Williams and Rachal were paired up and Webb and Spencer were the other. Whenever Williams and Rachal were in it seemed that the team got better results. I did ask later, would have Webb benefited from having Rachal with him? I honestly didn't notice if the two of them worked together during the preseason. If for nothing else I want to see a first rounder (Williams in this case) do something noteworthy for his pick. And in the broader scheme of things in a few of the other games I watched where the Bears weren't playing in. I noticed several times the commentators say something along the lines of "this line needs time to gel" or "the line has been having a hard time protecting X quarterback". So is it just the Bears that are suffering this issue? Or is it becoming more the trend? Defenses are emphasizing more on the pass rush..because the NFL is becoming a "pass oriented" league these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I've gone on record as saying I don't see how anyone can say Webb outplayed Williams this preseason. It's almost unanimous that Williams did better in the first two games, and in the third game against the Giants I have a play by play breakdown that says Williams did better. I'd love to hear someone actually break down plays and make a case for Webb other than, "I think he played better" or "It just seems like he did better." I'm open to it, but I just don't think it's realistic when focusing on what the player does each play. Unanimous in your eyes. I haven't seen it from anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 It's a smokescreen to keep us off the true problem. The two guys protecting Cutlers blind side are the worst on the OL. It's probably the reason Clutts was traded, as it would be more suitable to have an extra TE in to block on pasing downs than a FB. We have 6 million in cap space remaining. I'm going on record as wanting Emery to do whatever it takes if necessary. If the left side holds up and our OL as a whole plays average, this is a championship caliber team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Unanimous in your eyes. I haven't seen it from anyone else. Uhm... Hello? See reply above yours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Right on all counts except that Williams outplayed Webb. But then again, suck is suck. It's all just shades of gray... Williams most certainly did NOT outplay Webb, if you were watching the games in Pre-Season. That's not to say Webb played well, he just didn't suck nearly as bad as Chris Williams did. He was an atrocity out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Williams most certainly did NOT outplay Webb, if you were watching the games in Pre-Season. That's not to say Webb played well, he just didn't suck nearly as bad as Chris Williams did. He was an atrocity out there. That's utterly ridiculous. Until someone can specifically point to why Williams was so bad, and why Webb was better - I'm talking specific plays - then this discussion is pointless. Simply saying "oooh, I think he did better," is just not sufficient. Hell, you even shit on Webb in the first preseason game. Exactly how did Webb outperform Williams, and in which plays did this superior play (in relation to Williams) exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Game 1 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108125 Three in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108217 More in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108141 There is virtually no disagreement with the fact that Williams outplayed Webb in the first game. Game 2 (not much talk about OL) http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108324 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108384 While there is some talk of Williams not doing well, more is of Webb doing poorly. Williams by split-decision. Game 3 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108460 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108508 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108504 This game is the one that seems to have the most anti-Williams comments, but I've yet to see someone post actual comments regarding specific plays. I admit that it takes a monotonous approach to actually analyze one player or one aspect of the game. Much of the actual game is missed as a result. But if someone actually did this, I can't see how they could say Webb outplayed Williams. I'd love to compare notes on the specific plays, but I know that will never happen. So, end result? 1. Williams > Webb 2. Williams > Webb 3. Williams = Webb Straight from the board. Williams wins best 2 out of 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Game 1 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108125 Three in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108217 More in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108141 There is virtually no disagreement with the fact that Williams outplayed Webb in the first game. Game 2 (not much talk about OL) http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108324 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108384 While there is some talk of Williams not doing well, more is of Webb doing poorly. Williams by split-decision. Game 3 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108460 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108508 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108504 This game is the one that seems to have the most anti-Williams comments, but I've yet to see someone post actual comments regarding specific plays. I admit that it takes a monotonous approach to actually analyze one player or one aspect of the game. Much of the actual game is missed as a result. But if someone actually did this, I can't see how they could say Webb outplayed Williams. I'd love to compare notes on the specific plays, but I know that will never happen. So, end result? 1. Williams > Webb 2. Williams > Webb 3. Williams = Webb Straight from the board. Williams wins best 2 out of 3. I don't have the luxury of the new technology where you can buy actual footage that the coaches use, so I can't point out specific plays. But just going off from what I saw with my own eyes and also from various members of Bears media, Williams just hasn't stepped up to the challenge. The LT position was really won by default. Webb was inconsistent, and Williams was more inconsistent. I don't know if you are familiar with the site "ChicagoFootballTalk.com", but there are some excellent videos on that site, filled with plenty of information on everything regarding the Bears and the players. "Your Boy Roy" makes the case that Williams did nothing in pre-season to warrant a starting position and gets into the specifics on the reasons why. I use the information I hear from him, and then of course your Zach Zaidman's of the world, along with my own eyes to formulate an opinion on this matter.... He (Webb) did have a great game today I thought, for what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I don't have the luxury of the new technology where you can buy actual footage that the coaches use, so I can't point out specific plays. But just going off from what I saw with my own eyes and also from various members of Bears media, Williams just hasn't stepped up to the challenge. The LT position was really won by default. Webb was inconsistent, and Williams was more inconsistent. I don't know if you are familiar with the site "ChicagoFootballTalk.com", but there are some excellent videos on that site, filled with plenty of information on everything regarding the Bears and the players. "Your Boy Roy" makes the case that Williams did nothing in pre-season to warrant a starting position and gets into the specifics on the reasons why. I use the information I hear from him, and then of course your Zach Zaidman's of the world, along with my own eyes to formulate an opinion on this matter.... He (Webb) did have a great game today I thought, for what that's worth. I'll add ChicagoFootballTalk.com to my regular dosage of Bears media, but I've found YBR to be motive-driven and misrepresentative at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'll add ChicagoFootballTalk.com to my regular dosage of Bears media, but I've found YBR to be motive-driven and misrepresentative at times. I'll agree with that. While we are Bears fans, YBR just seems like a total jackass with agendas and more often then not, provides very little (and often times) inaccurate information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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