Stinger226 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 One of the better Olines in the NFL, and how was it built? LT, Joe Staley- 6 years exp.-28th player chosen. LG,Iupati-3 years exp.-43rd player taken. C, Goodwin-11years exp.-FA from NO RG, Boone-3 years exp.-Undtrafted FA- projected as a RT RT, Anthony Davis-3 years exp.-11th player taken-Drafted as a LT The point to all of this is 2 #1 draft picks, 1 2nd, one UDFA, and a FA. Staley,Iputai, Davis started from day 1. Boones first year starting and Goodwin has started 5 years of his 11 year career You have to have high drafts pick that make it play on your line, SF has 3. Then you can fit in a couple around him. For us, if we drafted right, we would have Williams, Carmi, as first round picks starting. Garza, a good vet. and Louis a 7th round pick. Spencer a FA.(not any good) The problem is we never hit on our high draft picks. WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW. The 1st and 2nd rounds picks need to be hits and pick up another guy in FAgency. Then maybe we can start something good with the Oline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesson44 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 One of the better Olines in the NFL, and how was it built? LT, Joe Staley- 6 years exp.-28th player chosen. LG,Iupati-3 years exp.-43rd player taken. C, Goodwin-11years exp.-FA from NO RG, Boone-3 years exp.-Undtrafted FA- drafted as a RT RT, Anthony Davis-3 years exp.-11th player taken-Drafted as a LT The point to all of this is 2 #1 draft picks, 1 2nd, one UDFA, and a FA. Staley,Iputai, Davis started from day 1. Boones first year starting and Goodwin has started 5 years of his 11 year career You have to have high drafts pick that make it play on your line, SF has 3. Then you can fit in a couple around him. For us, if we drafted right, we would have Williams, Carmi, as first round picks starting. Garza, a good vet. and Louis a 7th round pick. Spencer a FA. The problem is we never hit on our high draft picks. WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW. The 1st and 2nd rounds picks need to be hits and pick up another guy in FAgency. Then maybe we can start something good with the Oline. Yes that sound good but think about this....its WHO you draft. We seem to be drafting Oline players with no heart of attitude. Mr smiley face Webb, the Bear jew Carimi, C.Williams who is next? Im not saying draft bad players or no morals one's....just the ones you see with a chip on their shoulders and a mean streak!!! Like this........one game last year Carimi got just flat out ran over by the DE and then he gets up and pats him on the back....damn. Webb does the same thing gets ran over and there is no aftermath!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It's obviously not that easy...For Jerry Angelo at least...It's somewhat puzzling why our guys don't translate their success from college to the pros...Chris Williams was 1st Team all SEC his senior year and 2nd team his junior, while we all know Gabe Carimi was the Outland Trophy winner....Is it the Bears blocking scheme these guys have trouble picking up or is it just bad luck? Can't really blame Angelo for the picks so we just gotta hope Emery has better success. Because of all this I really wanna see LT be addressed in FA. Give Gabe RT, Louis brought back at RG, I'd love Barrett Jones at C while moving Garza back to LG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Iupati was the 17th player taken, not the 43rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Here are the remaining playoff teams: BAL: McKinnie (FA, Former 1st Rd pick) Osemele (2nd Rd pick) Burk (FA) Yanda (3rd Rd pick) Oher (1st Rd pick) NE: Solder (1st Rd pick) Mankins (1st Rd pick) Vollmer (2nd Rd pick) Connolly (FA) Wendell (UDFA) ATL: Baker (1st Rd pick) Blalock (2nd Rd pick) McClure (7th Rd pick) Konz (2nd Rd pick) Clabo (FA) SEA: Okung (1st Rd pick) McQuistan (FA) Unger (2nd Rd pick) Sweezy (7th Rd pick) Giacomini (FA) HOU: Brown (1st Rd pick) Smith (FA) Myers (FA) Jones (4th Rd pick) Newton (7th Rd pick) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It's obviously not that easy...For Jerry Angelo at least...It's somewhat puzzling why our guys don't translate their success from college to the pros...Chris Williams was 1st Team all SEC his senior year and 2nd team his junior, while we all know Gabe Carimi was the Outland Trophy winner....Is it the Bears blocking scheme these guys have trouble picking up or is it just bad luck? Can't really blame Angelo for the picks so we just gotta hope Emery has better success. Because of all this I really wanna see LT be addressed in FA. Give Gabe RT, Louis brought back at RG, I'd love Barrett Jones at C while moving Garza back to LG. My problem with angelo isnt so much that guys like williams didn't work out. It's the fact that how many yrs did he go and not even address tge OL all together even when we saw that father time was setting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 My problem with angelo isnt so much that guys like williams didn't work out. It's the fact that how many yrs did he go and not even address tge OL all together even when we saw that father time was setting in. I can't really comment on that because my memory is really foggy, it looks like he has tried to address it numerous times with the before mentioned picks and it just didn't work out for whatever reason. Just found out James Brown was 1 of 10 players on the Outland trophy watch list last year...Wonder if he can be our UDFA starter sometime soon or if he's gonna go on the list of successful college guys who don't excel on the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 All Mike Singletary picks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I can't really comment on that because my memory is really foggy, it looks like he has tried to address it numerous times with the before mentioned picks and it just didn't work out for whatever reason. Ok I'll provide free history lesson. Try not to puke as its tough to swallow thinking of his drafts 2002(9 picks) 1st- marc colombo 3rd- Terrence metcalf 2003(12 picks) None 2004(8 picks) None 2005(6 picks) None 2006(7 picks) 7th - tyler Reed 2007(9 picks) 4th - josh beekman 2008(9 picks) 1st - chris williams 7th - chester adams 7th - kirk barton 2009(9 picks) 7th - lance Louis 2010(5 picks) 7th - j'marcus webb 2011(5 picks) 1st Gabe carimi As u can from 2003-2007 drafted only 2 with highest a 4th then in 2009 and 2010 only 2 guys both 7th rounders. And with Williams most believe that we screwed him over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ok I'll provide free history lesson. Try not to puke as its tough to swallow thinking of his drafts 2002(9 picks) 1st- marc colombo 3rd- Terrence metcalf 2003(12 picks) None 2004(8 picks) None 2005(6 picks) None 2006(7 picks) 7th - tyler Reed 2007(9 picks) 4th - josh beekman 2008(9 picks) 1st - chris williams 7th - chester adams 7th - kirk barton 2009(9 picks) 7th - lance Louis 2010(5 picks) 7th - j'marcus webb 2011(5 picks) 1st Gabe carimi As u can from 2003-2007 drafted only 2 with highest a 4th then in 2009 and 2010 only 2 guys both 7th rounders. And with Williams most believe that we screwed him over Was the line nearly as bad between 03-07 as it is now? What about free agent pickups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Iupati was the 17th player taken, not the 43rd. your right, I didnt notice they had 2 first rounds draft picks that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 All Mike Singletary picks ? He was the coach,not GM, but I am sure he had some input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Was the line nearly as bad between 03-07 as it is now? What about free agent pickups? It was ok to begin with. When JA took over in 02 he inherited kruetz who was already a pro bowler. He used FA in 04 to get brown and tait(poison pill contract to ensure KC wouldn't match). Then used FA again to get garza and miller in 05-06. Line was great those 2 yrs then started downhill from there. Due to age and injuries starting in 07. We tried with Orlando pace in 09 which he was old and was an epic fail. Been bad since 08 while getting worse and worse. During those good yrs we could have drafted a few in 2nd 3rd rds to have current guys groom them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ok I'll provide free history lesson. Try not to puke as its tough to swallow thinking of his drafts 2002(9 picks) 1st- marc colombo 3rd- Terrence metcalf 2003(12 picks) None 2004(8 picks) None 2005(6 picks) None 2006(7 picks) 7th - tyler Reed 2007(9 picks) 4th - josh beekman 2008(9 picks) 1st - chris williams 7th - chester adams 7th - kirk barton 2009(9 picks) 7th - lance Louis 2010(5 picks) 7th - j'marcus webb 2011(5 picks) 1st Gabe carimi As u can from 2003-2007 drafted only 2 with highest a 4th then in 2009 and 2010 only 2 guys both 7th rounders. And with Williams most believe that we screwed him over I always thought Beekman was best OL weve drafted in that time period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 He was the coach,not GM, but I am sure he had some input. agreed, just like Lovie make 90% of our picks... outside 2ndRD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I always thought Beekman was best OL weve drafted in that time period Thats not really saying a whole lot though is it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Thats not really saying a whole lot though is it lol Ha not at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 It was ok to begin with. When JA took over in 02 he inherited kruetz who was already a pro bowler. He used FA in 04 to get brown and tait(poison pill contract to ensure KC wouldn't match). Then used FA again to get garza and miller in 05-06. Line was great those 2 yrs then started downhill from there. Due to age and injuries starting in 07. We tried with Orlando pace in 09 which he was old and was an epic fail. Been bad since 08 while getting worse and worse. During those good yrs we could have drafted a few in 2nd 3rd rds to have current guys groom them Gotcha, so it looks like he "TRIED" to address the line when needed every year but 2010 (when they didn't have a 1st or 2nd and blew his load on Pep)...But ya he should have got a 2nd or a 3rd in 09 as well as you can't really rely on Orlando Pace making a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Gotcha, so it looks like he "TRIED" to address the line when needed every year but 2010 (when they didn't have a 1st or 2nd and blew his load on Pep)...But ya he should have got a 2nd or a 3rd in 09 as well as you can't really rely on Orlando Pace making a difference. The GM needs to be able to see long term. But he waited to address it when it was to late. By 07 we had 4 guys either 30 or older. Gotta be able to see that. 1 thing a professional athlete can't defeat is father time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 The GM needs to be able to see long term. But he waited to address it when it was to late. By 07 we had 4 guys either 30 or older. Gotta be able to see that. 1 thing a professional athlete can't defeat is father time Ya I understand what your saying but as I look into it it looks like he kinda did...Lets go deeper though. (because I have nothing better to do and I'm somewhat intrigued by the downfall of the line) The O7 (the last time you said they were good) line was... LT-Tait who was 32 LG-Brown was 35 C-Kreutz was 30 RG-Garza was 28 RT-Miller was 34 Brown and Miller were old, but Tait probably had a year or 2 left. 08 turned to LT-St. Clair 29 (3 year starter in St. Louis and former all american) LG-Metcalf 28 (Another all american Bears draft pick who didnt work out) C-Kruetz RG-Garza RT-Tait Taits old age made him due for a switch to the right side...Starting St Clair and Metcalf wasn't a bad thought but it didn't work out. They we're a couple guys who were "waiting in the wings". Chris Williams was drafted to be Taits replacement 09 turned to LT-Pace 33 (Who gave up 2 sacks in 14 games the year before) LG-Omiyale (ya that was bad) C-Kruetz RG-Garza RT-Williams Seemed like a good plan here, Pace was a monster his previous year and you're throwing in your 1st rounder. 10 turned to LT-Williams LG-Garza C-Kruetz RG-Louis RT- Omiyale Louis was rightfully given a job. Williams took over for Pace who failed. Omiyale must have showed someone something to be given the RT spot. The lack of a high pick could be what lead to Omiyale given the job. The rest of the line doesn't look like a bad idea 11 turned to LT-Webb LG-Williams C-Garza RG-Louis RT-Carimi The love for Webb by the coaching staff begins here, not exactly JAs fault since Williams should have been given another shot at LT while Carimi was brought in for the other tackle position. Really... past Frank Omiyale and J'Marcus Webb...The thought from Angelos position wasn't THAT BAD. It's not a surprise that the Jets are high on Angelo taking their GM position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Ya I understand what your saying but as I look into it it looks like he kinda did...Lets go deeper though. (because I have nothing better to do and I'm somewhat intrigued by the downfall of the line) The O7 (the last time you said they were good) line was... LT-Tait who was 32 LG-Brown was 35 C-Kreutz was 30 RG-Garza was 28 RT-Miller was 34 Brown and Miller were old, but Tait probably had a year or 2 left. 08 turned to LT-St. Clair 29 (3 year starter in St. Louis and former all american) LG-Metcalf 28 (Another all american Bears draft pick who didnt work out) C-Kruetz RG-Garza RT-Tait Taits old age made him due for a switch to the right side...Starting St Clair and Metcalf wasn't a bad thought but it didn't work out. They we're a couple guys who were "waiting in the wings". Chris Williams was drafted to be Taits replacement 09 turned to LT-Pace 33 (Who gave up 2 sacks in 14 games the year before) LG-Omiyale (ya that was bad) C-Kruetz RG-Garza RT-Williams Seemed like a good plan here, Pace was a monster his previous year and you're throwing in your 1st rounder. 10 turned to LT-Williams LG-Garza C-Kruetz RG-Louis RT- Omiyale Louis was rightfully given a job. Williams took over for Pace who failed. Omiyale must have showed someone something to be given the RT spot. The lack of a high pick could be what lead to Omiyale given the job. The rest of the line doesn't look like a bad idea 11 turned to LT-Webb LG-Williams C-Garza RG-Louis RT-Carimi The love for Webb by the coaching staff begins here, not exactly JAs fault since Williams should have been given another shot at LT while Carimi was brought in for the other tackle position. Really... past Frank Omiyale and J'Marcus Webb...The thought from Angelos position wasn't THAT BAD. It's not a surprise that the Jets are high on Angelo taking their GM position. Angelo is a horrible GM. Dude misses more often than not in the draft. A GM must be able to draft. U really want to look at that track record lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Angelo is a horrible GM. Dude misses more often than not in the draft. A GM must be able to draft. U really want to look at that track record lol Well he's looking like he'll be getting another job in New York so he must be doin something right....I'm not saying he's great or anything but i think the meathead bear fans overreact...on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Well he's looking like he'll be getting another job in New York so he must be doin something right....I'm not saying he's great or anything but i think the meathead bear fans overreact...on everything. Taking a job with the circus that is the jets lol. What has he actually done that could be a great thing. A gm must be able to draft. He can't do that to save his rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Taking a job with the circus that is the jets lol. What has he actually done that could be a great thing. A gm must be able to draft. He can't do that to save his rear He's built this fantastic defense, whether or not that's all on Lovie or not is up for debate. He can't draft an Olineman to save his rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Well he's looking like he'll be getting another job in New York so he must be doin something right....I'm not saying he's great or anything but i think the meathead bear fans overreact...on everything. they wont be hiring him for that job, somebody had a favor called in just to give him a interview. He has a bad track record for drafting and that means he will never work as a GM again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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