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bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Prove to us he is past his off the field issues. That's my biggest problem 2 suspensions is hard to swallow especially when 1 of those was drugs. I'll give u that he's got the talent to be special. In order to even think of drafting him we gotta do alot in FA 1st and then might even have to trade up to get him. I've seen a couple mocks where he goes top 10. Do u really want to move that far up to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Prove to us he is past his off the field issues. That's my biggest problem 2 suspensions is hard to swallow especially when 1 of those was drugs. I'll give u that he's got the talent to be special. In order to even think of drafting him we gotta do alot in FA 1st and then might even have to trade up to get him. I've seen a couple mocks where he goes top 10. Do u really want to move that far up to get him. I just proved his on the field issues. No way he goes Top10 with less games played and suspension stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Damn, wish Te'o could've stoned Lacey like that. Dude can run too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I just proved his on the field issues. No way he goes Top10 with less games played and suspension stuff Biggest key for him is interview process. No one doubts his abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Biggest key for him is interview process. No one doubts his abilities Hopefully he cant sell himself as the 19th pick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hopefully he cant sell himself as the 19th pick.... Then key is making sure we do enough in FA. I'm not taking him over an OL. My 1st priority is OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Then key is making sure we do enough in FA. I'm not taking him over an OL. My 1st priority is OL I cant imagine if one of the big 3 is available, Emery doesnt jump all over him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I cant imagine if one of the big 3 is available, Emery doesnt jump all over him Doesn't mean they will come here. That's my point. If we can't get them in FA we must get them in draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Doesn't mean they will come here. That's my point. If we can't get them in FA we must get them in draft Guys go where money is. Bottom Line.. Nicks went to a 4-12 team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Guys go where money is. Bottom Line.. Nicks went to a 4-12 team Not always but why get in a bidding war. Sometimes its just not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just as I was watching and wondering if he was big enough and strong enough to play inside for us he stopped Lacy cold at the goal line. Can't argue the athletic ability at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 That was bleepin impressive. If they decide it's time to say goodbye to 54, grab a LT in FA, and he's there at 20 I'd be all over him. He would be so much fun to watch. As far as his off field "issues" I'm with Skip Bayless... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...50822&num=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 That was bleepin impressive. If they decide it's time to say goodbye to 54, grab a LT in FA, and he's there at 20 I'd be all over him. He would be so much fun to watch. As far as his off field "issues" I'm with Skip Bayless... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...50822&num=0 Not directed to any particular player You never know how guys will react once they get a life altering event. All the sudden you are a role model, possible face of franchise, rich as hell and able to provide for a family, etc. Usually react in a positive way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 That was bleepin impressive. If they decide it's time to say goodbye to 54, grab a LT in FA, and he's there at 20 I'd be all over him. He would be so much fun to watch. As far as his off field "issues" I'm with Skip Bayless... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...50822&num=0 "I'm with Skip Bayless" is not usually a comment that makes a lot of sense. It may in this specific instance, but generally agreeing with Skip is a losing proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 "I'm with Skip Bayless" is not usually a comment that makes a lot of sense. It may in this specific instance, but generally agreeing with Skip is a losing proposition. Couldn't agree more. Isn't Skip the 1 who once said Tim Tebow was a top 10 QB in the league and now he may have to go to the CFL lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not saying I agree with everything that comes out of that silly mans mouth but I agree with his stance on marijuana. To highlight some of the points.... How can the NFL expect players to readily agree to let team doctors shoot them with painkillers so they can play with injuries no real-world doctor would clear -- yet then be prohibited from smoking marijuana to anesthetize themselves after tough games? Alcohol dramatically alters a person's normal state, often bringing out his or her worst side, with little or no control over motor skills or better judgment. Marijuana mostly suspends a person's normal state, allowing him or her to escape into an inner fantasy world moving in slow motion. I fear people who are drunk, in bars and driving cars. I don't fear people who are high on grass. Alcohol is far more damaging and deadly than marijuana -- unless, of course, you want to argue the long-term cancer-causing effects of smoking grass. "MOSS ADMITS TO OCCASIONAL MARIJUANA USE!" You imagined a subhead of: "Duh." That's exactly the way Lomas Brown reacted to the news. Brown, a former offensive tackle who played 18 seasons and made seven Pro Bowls, did a "Cold Pizza" segment just ahead of mine. He said whoever says only about 20 percent of NFL players smoke marijuana must be smoking some himself. Brown said at least 50 percent smoke marijuana. Estimates of NBA marijuana use have ranged anywhere from 50 to 80 percent (at its height six or eight years ago). The word from both leagues continues to be that if you fail a marijuana test, you are stupid or dependent. The NFL and NBA basically operate on the premise that what parents and kids don't know about players won't hurt them -- or keep them from watching or buying tickets. I know it's hard to skew some peoples opinion on the matter of marijuana use(esp. a father like yourself) but the fact that more states are making it legal...even for recreational use.... should give you clue that in this case Skip Bayless is right. The fact that Ogletree smokes doesn't concern me on but the fact that he got caught kinda does. When he makes it to the NFL he'll probably pick up some tips on how to mask it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Not saying I agree with everything that comes out of that silly mans mouth but I agree with his stance on marijuana. To highlight some of the points.... I know it's hard to skew some peoples opinion on the matter of marijuana use(esp. a father like yourself) but the fact that more states are making it legal...even for recreational use.... should give you clue that in this case Skip Bayless is right. The fact that Ogletree smokes doesn't concern me on but the fact that he got caught kinda does. When he makes it to the NFL he'll probably pick up some tips on how to mask it better. [/quote Just because others do it doesn't make it any better now does it. Marijuana also impaires a persons judgement and slows down a person ability to react. Last i checked its still illegal in college and in the pros. The athlete knows what he or she is risking yet they don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just because others do it doesn't make it any better now does it. Marijuana also impaires a persons judgement and slows down a person ability to react. Last i checked its still illegal in college and in the pros. The athlete knows what he or she is risking yet they don't care. Yes, it does impair a persons judgement and slows down a persons ability to react....for about and hour after use...I'm sure the 50+% that uses it in the NFL don't smoke right before the game to have the effects mess with them during a game....If they wanna smoke after the game and kinda use it in the same way medical marijuana is used for then go right ahead, its good for aches and pains. And you're exactly right, the 50% of nfl athletes and 50-80% of nba players know exactly what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yes, it does impair a persons judgement and slows down a persons ability to react....for about and hour after use...I'm sure the 50+% that uses it in the NFL don't smoke right before the game to have the effects mess with them during a game....If they wanna smoke after the game and kinda use it in the same way medical marijuana is used for then go right ahead, its good for aches and pains. And you're exactly right, the 50% of nfl athletes and 50-80% of nba players know exactly what they're doing. They know its against rules yet don't care. They also know just 1 failed test is a 4 game suspension and oh yeah NFL has the ability to random test when they want and whoever they want. Some players get tested 10 times a yr and many get tested day after game. Marijuana doesn't disappear from your system in a matter of hrs. Sorry but the way i was raised was if its illegal then don't be stupid and do it anyway. Otherwise i don't want to here u cry when u face the consequences. The consequences out weigh the fantasy world of a couple hours. U choose couple hrs of fun or millions of $$. For me thats easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 They know its against rules yet don't care. They also know just 1 failed test is a 4 game suspension and oh yeah NFL has the ability to random test when they want and whoever they want. Some players get tested 10 times a yr and many get tested day after game. Marijuana doesn't disappear from your system in a matter of hrs. Sorry but the way i was raised was if its illegal then don't be stupid and do it anyway. Otherwise i don't want to here u cry when u face the consequences. The consequences out weigh the fantasy world of a couple hours. U choose couple hrs of fun or millions of $$. For me thats easy But allegedly 50% of the league uses...why isn't 50% of the league getting suspended? Why because it's so easy to get around it. Which is why I'm 100% for getting Ogletree if 54 is gone and they address LT in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 While Ogletree looks fantastic.... it is way way way too early to start targeting any specific player. We should probably reserve judgment until late March/early April after we've seen some combine numbers or had the chance to read about their private workouts. Ogletree could show up and a run a 4.8 at the combine and he'd be lucky to go RD 2 if that happens. Now I'd be very surprised at this, but you just never know. I'd still rather the Bears attack a LT in FA and STILL look OL at #20 if there were a big body worthy of the 20th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 But allegedly 50% of the league uses...why isn't 50% of the league getting suspended? Why because it's so easy to get around it. Which is why I'm 100% for getting Ogletree if 54 is gone and they address LT in FA. Because half the league is doing does it make it any more legal. Its a huge risk. And if its so easy to not getting caught then why do ppl still get busted. Have u noticed more ppl lately are getting busted. Seems like 1 player a week is getting caught plus they will have tougher tests before to long. Just a matter of time. Sorry i don't mess with drugs. Never have. Been around it and saw how stupid ppl were around it for a lot longer than just a couple hrs. Maybe your an expert but personally i refuse to even associate with ppl doing it. In my line of work just 1 slip up in judgement could cost ppl there lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Because half the league is doing does it make it any more legal. Its a huge risk. And if its so easy to not getting caught then why do ppl still get busted. Have u noticed more ppl lately are getting busted. Seems like 1 player a week is getting caught plus they will have tougher tests before to long. Just a matter of time. Sorry i don't mess with drugs. Never have. Been around it and saw how stupid ppl were around it for a lot longer than just a couple hrs. Maybe your an expert but personally i refuse to even associate with ppl doing it. In my line of work just 1 slip up in judgement could cost ppl there lives Yes, it's illegal, and yes I understand that being the end all for some but the fact remains that it's here and it's not going away. I'm not an expert but I have looked into it on great depths and there's really nothing wrong with it. I play semi pro rugby and it has caused me to have a bad back, if medical marijuana were legal here in Indiana (2 votes away last year) I would legally be smoking right now. I practice once a week and have 8 game seasons, I can only imagine the wear and tear nfl or college athletes who practice more and for a longer period of time go through. I'm clean now but thats just because I'm unemployed...What is your view on alcohol? Ya know something that is 10x worse and disruptive to ones mental state and can actually kill you. Something that will make you act wayyyy stupider than marijuana, and really I don't know who you were hanging around but all the pot smokers i've been around don't do anything stupid...we might say something stupid but its a relaxed medicine that mellows you out...I just sit around and laugh...I dont go out and look for a fight or something along those lines. What's your view on our James Brown? Or studs like.. Marshawn Lynch? Carmello Anthony? Bill Walton? Kareem Abdul Jabaar? Micheal Phelps? Tim Lincecum? I understand you're a father, or so your picture leads me to believe, and i understand and respect your views but in this day and age it's not that big a deal...if it were why would states alloy it to be legal for even recreational use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Maybe your an expert but personally i refuse to even associate with ppl doing it. In my line of work just 1 slip up in judgement could cost ppl there lives Well said. I myself am a police officer and agree with your assessment on how serious mj use can be. However, unfortunately....it is extremely commonly used by a lot of people. I don't condone it and believe the Bears should stay away from players who they KNOW have issues with it. Regardless, that is what the interview process/background checks are for. I wouldn't write this kid off because of mj usage as a young adult....juvenile/young adult recidivism rates can be favorable in these cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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