trestmen talks

[bowlingtwig]

Or maybe I've read too much about the west coast offense that I've been sabotaged into believing we won't be using a lot of 4 receiver sets and the fact that a QB/WR relationship is a huge key in the WCO thus me wanting Bennett to still have a role on the team...

No one has said by drafting a WR early your taking Bennett out of the game plan. But face facts on Bennett to this point he has been injury proneand when he is on field he is a 3rd down safety valve receiver. He isn't this great receiver that needs to be a focal point

[selection7]

Actually, no he doesn't. He is a bad WR. In an offense that will pass a lot, you will need more WR's who can catch the football, and be at the right place at the right time, who also have a better IQ of understanding how to separate from coverage consistently. If Tavon Austin or somebody we take (if we take) early on in the draft, he's likely going to be taking Earl Bennett's place and will see the field more often.

If you're correct, and not exaggerating, everyone who coached/GM'd Hester on offense the year before last and the year before that should never be allowed to coach offense at the pro level again, because they certainly treated him like he had at least #4 WR talent.

[bowlingtwig]

If you're correct, and not exaggerating, everyone who coached/GM'd Hester on offense the year before last and the year before that should never be allowed to coach offense at the pro level again, because they certainly treated him like he had at least #4 WR talent.

Lets see thats tice, martz, lovie and JA was GM. How many of those even have a coaching job of any kind currently in the NFL lol

[scs787]

Darryl Drake on the other hand is still employed.

[bowlingtwig]

Darryl Drake on the other hand is still employed.

Lol sure 1 guy found a job after being fired. Does that really prove that Hester isnt a terrible WR. Stats say he isnt good. Most ppl agree he isn't good.

[scs787]

Now your assuming we will hardly use 4 WRs. That means in your head we can be a #1 offense with marshall, jefrey and Bennett this yr. Willing to bet on this. Seems like u have it all figured out and our problem last yr was all OL and play calling and in ur mind webb is a good LT. How come your not a GM

 

 

Trestman Coordinated offenses #4 WR production is as follows (I obviously don't know who the real 4 is so i'll go with 4th most productive)...

 

95 9ers- Nate Singleton- 8 REC- 108 yds

96 9ers- Iheanyi Uwaezuoke- 7 REC- 91 yds ....yes that Iheanyi Uwaezuoke.

98 Cards- Fred Brock- 2 REC - 12 yds

99 Cards- Mac Cody- 6 REC- 60 yds

00 Cards- Mac Cody- 12 REC- 212 yds...what an explosion!

02 Raiders- Marcus Knight - 3 REC - 26 yds....Rich Gannons MVP year

03 Raiders- Alvis Whitehead- 7 REC- 106 yds

 

Couple all that with the Joe Morgan and his 10 REC reference I keep using with the Saints and that's what leads me to believe they'll hardly use the #4.

 

The argument could be made that those weren't HIS offenses and he might have "Modernized it" which is possible but we shall see.

[scs787]

Lol sure 1 guy found a job after being fired. Does that really prove that Hester isnt a terrible WR. Stats say he isnt good. Most ppl agree he isn't good.

 

Yep, his WR coach that tooted his horn.

 

Per PFF he had 4 drops in 54 targets, looking at comparisons to others that's not that bad for a #4 receiver. I'm not saying he's anything more than that.

 

But once again, I believe you can find a guy to replace him in the late rounds at a fraction of the cost....So back to my first statement, I wouldn't be outraged if he stays because I believe he can do what needs to be done but I'd rather go wit the cheaper option

[bowlingtwig]

Yep, his WR coach that tooted his horn.

 

Per PFF he had 4 drops in 54 targets, looking at comparisons to others that's not that bad for a #4 receiver. I'm not saying he's anything more than that.

 

But once again, I believe you can find a guy to replace him in the late rounds at a fraction of the cost....So back to my first statement, I wouldn't be outraged if he stays because I believe he can do what needs to be done but I'd rather go wit the cheaper option

Except for the fact he said his heart isnt in it. That kills me when players say that

[bowlingtwig]

Trestman Coordinated offenses #4 WR production is as follows (I obviously don't know who the real 4 is so i'll go with 4th most productive)...

 

95 9ers- Nate Singleton- 8 REC- 108 yds

96 9ers- Iheanyi Uwaezuoke- 7 REC- 91 yds ....yes that Iheanyi Uwaezuoke.

98 Cards- Fred Brock- 2 REC - 12 yds

99 Cards- Mac Cody- 6 REC- 60 yds

00 Cards- Mac Cody- 12 REC- 212 yds...what an explosion!

02 Raiders- Marcus Knight - 3 REC - 26 yds....Rich Gannons MVP year

03 Raiders- Alvis Whitehead- 7 REC- 106 yds

 

Couple all that with the Joe Morgan and his 10 REC reference I keep using with the Saints and that's what leads me to believe they'll hardly use the #4.

 

The argument could be made that those weren't HIS offenses and he might have "Modernized it" which is possible but we shall see.

Game has changed since then. I bet our #4 has more than 12 rec this coming yr

[Stinger226]

Trestman Coordinated offenses #4 WR production is as follows (I obviously don't know who the real 4 is so i'll go with 4th most productive)...

 

95 9ers- Nate Singleton- 8 REC- 108 yds

96 9ers- Iheanyi Uwaezuoke- 7 REC- 91 yds ....yes that Iheanyi Uwaezuoke.

98 Cards- Fred Brock- 2 REC - 12 yds

99 Cards- Mac Cody- 6 REC- 60 yds

00 Cards- Mac Cody- 12 REC- 212 yds...what an explosion!

02 Raiders- Marcus Knight - 3 REC - 26 yds....Rich Gannons MVP year

03 Raiders- Alvis Whitehead- 7 REC- 106 yds

 

Couple all that with the Joe Morgan and his 10 REC reference I keep using with the Saints and that's what leads me to believe they'll hardly use the #4.

 

The argument could be made that those weren't HIS offenses and he might have "Modernized it" which is possible but we shall see.

Your assuming the first 3 stay healthy. Bennett and Jeffery had extended games off.

[jason]

I can run north and south, and pretty fast. Maybe I could play receiver?

 

It takes a lot more than being able to run in a straight line. Hester can't play because he does not possess the skills of an NFL caliber receiver. Certainly not a player you can trust. This has been proven over the past 6 years.

 

Please. Quit being stupid. You might be able to run fast, but you would look like you have on cement blocks for shoes compared to Devin Hester.

 

Is Hester a good WR? No.

Does Hester have good hands? No.

Does Hester have good enough hands? Yes.

Can Hester run by a secondary? Yes.

Would a secondary have to respect that in case Hester catches the pass? Abso-freaking-lutely.

 

What sc is saying is pretty easy to comprehend.

 

Coach: "Devin, on this play I want you to run as hard as you can up the seam so you occupy a DB and threaten a safety."

Hester: "Duurrr...OK."

 

Pretty simple stuff. Cutler uncorks one to Hester every other game or so and the threat is guaranteed. Hence, the field opens up.

[jason]

Trestman Coordinated offenses #4 WR production is as follows (I obviously don't know who the real 4 is so i'll go with 4th most productive)...

 

95 9ers- Nate Singleton- 8 REC- 108 yds

96 9ers- Iheanyi Uwaezuoke- 7 REC- 91 yds ....yes that Iheanyi Uwaezuoke.

98 Cards- Fred Brock- 2 REC - 12 yds

99 Cards- Mac Cody- 6 REC- 60 yds

00 Cards- Mac Cody- 12 REC- 212 yds...what an explosion!

02 Raiders- Marcus Knight - 3 REC - 26 yds....Rich Gannons MVP year

03 Raiders- Alvis Whitehead- 7 REC- 106 yds

 

Couple all that with the Joe Morgan and his 10 REC reference I keep using with the Saints and that's what leads me to believe they'll hardly use the #4.

 

The argument could be made that those weren't HIS offenses and he might have "Modernized it" which is possible but we shall see.

 

Great research. Nailed the concept.

[Connorbear]

Please. Quit being stupid. You might be able to run fast, but you would look like you have on cement blocks for shoes compared to Devin Hester.

 

Is Hester a good WR? No.

Does Hester have good hands? No.

Does Hester have good enough hands? Yes.

Can Hester run by a secondary? Yes.

Would a secondary have to respect that in case Hester catches the pass? Abso-freaking-lutely.

 

What sc is saying is pretty easy to comprehend.

 

Coach: "Devin, on this play I want you to run as hard as you can up the seam so you occupy a DB and threaten a safety."

Hester: "Duurrr...OK."

 

Pretty simple stuff. Cutler uncorks one to Hester every other game or so and the threat is guaranteed. Hence, the field opens up.

He's Forrest Gump!!!!!

 

Peace

[AZ54]

After all the WR battle going on in this "Trestman" thread I'm not sure if I should post this here or start a new thread. Here it is anyway...

 

I'm very surprised by the fact that Trestman is working with his staff to develop the "offense". I'm more accustom to a coach, or the new OC, coming in and having his playbook ready to give out to players. The fact so many coaches insist they are still reviewing film and haven't decided on the specifics of what we'll be doing makes me think we might have a coaching staff that will put players in a position to best utilize their talents.

 

On the defensive side of the ball it's the other way around and the new DC will learn Marinelli's terminology and keep a 4-3 scheme with cover 2. Again, to me this is a coaching staff taking something that is already successful and trying to tweak it to make it better instead of sticking with "their" system.

[Wesson44]

Please. Quit being stupid. You might be able to run fast, but you would look like you have on cement blocks for shoes compared to Devin Hester.

 

Is Hester a good WR? No.

Does Hester have good hands? No.

Does Hester have good enough hands? Yes.

Can Hester run by a secondary? Yes.

Would a secondary have to respect that in case Hester catches the pass? Abso-freaking-lutely.

 

What sc is saying is pretty easy to comprehend.

 

Coach: "Devin, on this play I want you to run as hard as you can up the seam so you occupy a DB and threaten a safety."

Hester: "Duurrr...OK."

 

Pretty simple stuff. Cutler uncorks one to Hester every other game or so and the threat is guaranteed. Hence, the field opens up.

Pretty simple and I agree with you Jason about Hester

[Wesson44]

Trestman Coordinated offenses #4 WR production is as follows (I obviously don't know who the real 4 is so i'll go with 4th most productive)...

 

95 9ers- Nate Singleton- 8 REC- 108 yds

96 9ers- Iheanyi Uwaezuoke- 7 REC- 91 yds ....yes that Iheanyi Uwaezuoke.

98 Cards- Fred Brock- 2 REC - 12 yds

99 Cards- Mac Cody- 6 REC- 60 yds

00 Cards- Mac Cody- 12 REC- 212 yds...what an explosion!

02 Raiders- Marcus Knight - 3 REC - 26 yds....Rich Gannons MVP year

03 Raiders- Alvis Whitehead- 7 REC- 106 yds

 

Couple all that with the Joe Morgan and his 10 REC reference I keep using with the Saints and that's what leads me to believe they'll hardly use the #4.

 

The argument could be made that those weren't HIS offenses and he might have "Modernized it" which is possible but we shall see.

First off who are these guys?????????..lol...... now to the point......... you want to compare Hester to these WR to Hester by what grounds. These guys are or were WR's in the NFL to start with, what everyone fails to remember is that Hester was drafted as a DB and turned into a WR so he cant be counted on to give us more than what he gives us.Now when you talk about his failure to catch the ball......yes its 50/50 but also take note of our star, beast what whatever you want to call Marshall.How many passes has he dropped this year....I counted at least 5 that were TD'S at least.. along with the other ones. The problem with Hester is that he never has been used properly with the Bears. The Packers have shown the Bears how to use Hester by the way they use Cobb

[scs787]

Except for the fact he said his heart isnt in it. That kills me when players say that

 

Well this whole thread (we tend to get off track in these threads so it's easy to forget)was started with Trestman talking to Hester. If Marc thinks he can get his heart in the game then he can stay. If Marc can't get through to him then of course the wise choice is to let him go.

 

Game has changed since then. I bet our #4 has more than 12 rec this coming yr

 

It has, but it still happens which is why I threw out the Joe Morgan stat. He had 10 REC LAST YEAR for the 2nd ranked offense.

 

Let me throw out another example that has a connection (though this offense is horrible)...Jim Harbaughs first NFL job was as QB coach for Oakland when Trestman was the OC. His #4 last year was Kyle Williams, who had 14 rec for 212 yards.

 

 

I wouldn't make that bet because I believe Hester or the late round draft pick can get more than 12 rec even if he is barely utilized.

[scs787]

First off who are these guys?????????..lol...... now to the point......... you want to compare Hester to these WR to Hester by what grounds. These guys are or were WR's in the NFL to start with, what everyone fails to remember is that Hester was drafted as a DB and turned into a WR so he cant be counted on to give us more than what he gives us.Now when you talk about his failure to catch the ball......yes its 50/50 but also take note of our star, beast what whatever you want to call Marshall.How many passes has he dropped this year....I counted at least 5 that were TD'S at least.. along with the other ones. The problem with Hester is that he never has been used properly with the Bears. The Packers have shown the Bears how to use Hester by the way they use Cobb

 

To the line I highlighted......Exactly.

 

I compared these guys because that's the position Devin plays now and for the last 7 years, so the comparison between the before mentioned #4 receivers and Devin is valid.

 

I'm not counting on him giving us anything more than a #4 receiver or a #3 in a pinch. He's not the #1 previous staffs have said he was but he doesn't need to be.

 

And yes I agree he was utilized terribly last year.

[Bears4Ever_34]

Please. Quit being stupid. You might be able to run fast, but you would look like you have on cement blocks for shoes compared to Devin Hester.

 

Is Hester a good WR? No.

Does Hester have good hands? No.

Does Hester have good enough hands? Yes.

Can Hester run by a secondary? Yes.

Would a secondary have to respect that in case Hester catches the pass? Abso-freaking-lutely.

 

What sc is saying is pretty easy to comprehend.

 

Coach: "Devin, on this play I want you to run as hard as you can up the seam so you occupy a DB and threaten a safety."

Hester: "Duurrr...OK."

 

Pretty simple stuff. Cutler uncorks one to Hester every other game or so and the threat is guaranteed. Hence, the field opens up.

 

Looks like we have another guy who doesn't own a television or understands the difference between a threat and productivity. Devin Hester can run, but those of us who have seen him try to play receiver over the past 6 years know he's not likely to be much of a factor, despite his speed. There's a reason why he didn't have a position coming out of college.

 

I mean my god, we're acting like no coordinator he's ever worked with has tried to get some kind of production out of him. He'll make flash plays a couple times a season, but they are few and far between, because for every play he does make, there is a larger handful of plays he screws up. You can probably count on one hand the number of times Devin has been able to adjust to a pass downfield that isn't thrown perfectly to him. He doesn't even jump like a normal receiver, and his IQ is deplorable. Cutler clearly does not trust him, and frankly I don't blame him.

 

Essentially what you're saying is there is no difference between Mike Wallace as a threat and Devin Hester. All they do is run fast, neither can run a route, so it must be the same, right? Get out of here with that garbage. At least act like you've seen him play before. This guy is no better than Kellen Davis is as a TE.

[scs787]

4 drops in 54 targets says otherwise. He keeps the defense honest and thats what you want from a deep THREAT ...The threat to go deep, which he brings. It's simple.

 

Yes, I agree there were often times where he didn't adjust to the flight of the ball but when the balls put on him big things can happen....and for a #4 WR thats all you can ask for.

 

There is a difference between Wallace and Hester...Wallace can be relied on to do more than just stretch the defense which is why he's not a #4 receiver.

[Bears4Ever_34]

4 drops in 54 targets says otherwise. He keeps the defense honest and thats what you want from a deep THREAT ...The threat to go deep, which he brings. It's simple.

 

Yes, I agree there were often times where he didn't adjust to the flight of the ball but when the balls put on him big things can happen....and for a #4 WR thats all you can ask for.

Was he not a deep threat the last 6 seasons when he tried to impersonate himself as being a WR?

 

Ideally, the receiver we're looking to add should matter more, and be more impactful than just someone who runs down the field and drops passes or causes interceptions because he doesn't know what he's suppose to be doing. If they choose to go the route of a 4-5-6th round pick, if the player turns out to be the next Johnny Knox, that would be best case scenario. If we spend an earlier pick, or take somebody with a high price tag in free agency, that guy is going to be doing a lot more on the field. I go back to the kid out of West Virginia. If the Bears took him, he'd not only be your slot receiver, but he does everything else. You can line him up in the backfield, you can have him return kicks, throw deep balls etc.. He'd be much more of a dangerous threat than someone like Devin Hester, thus making the offense more dynamic.

[jason]

Looks like we have another guy who doesn't own a television or understands the difference between a threat and productivity. Devin Hester can run, but those of us who have seen him try to play receiver over the past 6 years know he's not likely to be much of a factor, despite his speed. There's a reason why he didn't have a position coming out of college.

 

And, yet, he's done pretty well for being such a horrible receiver.

 

I mean my god, we're acting like no coordinator he's ever worked with has tried to get some kind of production out of him. He'll make flash plays a couple times a season, but they are few and far between, because for every play he does make, there is a larger handful of plays he screws up. You can probably count on one hand the number of times Devin has been able to adjust to a pass downfield that isn't thrown perfectly to him. He doesn't even jump like a normal receiver, and his IQ is deplorable. Cutler clearly does not trust him, and frankly I don't blame him.

 

He's done much better than what a #4 WR would be required to do, which is make plays that are "few and far between." I understand saying the dude isn't a #1, or even a #2, but you're making it out like he's actually retarded or handicapped. Please familiarize yourself with his stats. Talk about someone who doesn't own a TV. It's as if you missed the average of 36 receptions per year since his rookie season.

 

Essentially what you're saying is there is no difference between Mike Wallace as a threat and Devin Hester. All they do is run fast, neither can run a route, so it must be the same, right? Get out of here with that garbage. At least act like you've seen him play before. This guy is no better than Kellen Davis is as a TE.

 

Now you're being extra stupid. Wallace is considered a #1 because he does much more than just run the go route. Have you even watched a Steeler game?! You've got to stop with this ridiculous comparison nonsense. I'll go ahead and

so you can enlighten yourself, but nobody is even remotely insinuating the two are the same. Hester would be required to do very little as the #4. His job would be to run fast. That's about it. They may ask him to run a deep post or something like that, but essentially his job as a #4 speed guy would be to threaten the safeties. He most certainly has the speed to do that. And GTFO of here with that Kellen Davis BS.

 

 

[jason]

Was he not a deep threat the last 6 seasons when he tried to impersonate himself as being a WR?

 

Ideally, the receiver we're looking to add should matter more, and be more impactful than just someone who runs down the field and drops passes or causes interceptions because he doesn't know what he's suppose to be doing. If they choose to go the route of a 4-5-6th round pick, if the player turns out to be the next Johnny Knox, that would be best case scenario. If we spend an earlier pick, or take somebody with a high price tag in free agency, that guy is going to be doing a lot more on the field. I go back to the kid out of West Virginia. If the Bears took him, he'd not only be your slot receiver, but he does everything else. You can line him up in the backfield, you can have him return kicks, throw deep balls etc.. He'd be much more of a dangerous threat than someone like Devin Hester, thus making the offense more dynamic.

 

He wasn't JUST a deep threat...which is what is being discussed. In the past he was asked to do much more than be a #4 who JUST serves as a deep threat.

 

We've all seen how Hester handles a limited plate, and how he handles a full plate.

 

Hester with a limited plate = Best return man in history

Hester with a full plate = Runs backwards on punt returns

 

Let's take some stuff of his plate and just let him be the guy he was in the first few years with the Bears.

[bowlingtwig]

Well this whole thread (we tend to get off track in these threads so it's easy to forget)was started with Trestman talking to Hester. If Marc thinks he can get his heart in the game then he can stay. If Marc can't get through to him then of course the wise choice is to let him go.

 

 

 

It has, but it still happens which is why I threw out the Joe Morgan stat. He had 10 REC LAST YEAR for the 2nd ranked offense.

 

Let me throw out another example that has a connection (though this offense is horrible)...Jim Harbaughs first NFL job was as QB coach for Oakland when Trestman was the OC. His #4 last year was Kyle Williams, who had 14 rec for 212 yards.

 

 

I wouldn't make that bet because I believe Hester or the late round draft pick can get more than 12 rec even if he is barely utilized.

Didn't U say the most important thing in a WCO is the timing and qb and WR having trust. Cutler doesn't trust hester at all. This huge fact is being over looked.

[scs787]

Didn't U say the most important thing in a WCO is the timing and qb and WR having trust. Cutler doesn't trust hester at all. This huge fact is being over looked.

 

 

You do have a bit of point there but once again we're talking about #4 who does have familiarity with Jay who has completed many a passes to Devin. I don't buy that he doesn't trust him at all though.

 

But for financial reasons it could be time to move on and I think you could do that with a late round draft pick.

 

Titus Young is back on the market haha, dudes a cancer but could be a good #4. He won't like it but oh well.