Ogletree or Brown?

[Stinger226]

Here is part of a comparison of two names linked to the Bears.

 

Overall Potential

 

Ogletree: The potential is there for Ogletree to not only be one of the best ILBs in the NFL, but overall one of the best LBs in the league. He is one of the most physically gifted athletes I have studied in quite some time. He can fly around the line of scrimmage in pursuit of ball carriers; you can use his speed and quickness to rush the passer either from the middle or outside.

 

In coverage, Ogletree patrols the middle of the field like a ball-hawking FS, showing the ability to make a play on the football. You can match him up with a big, athletic TE and feel comfortable that he can neutralize him throughout the game. Ogletree should be able to contribute immediately in his first year at either WLB or SLB before taking over at MLB.

 

Brown: Brown has all the tools to be a solid pro for a very long time. While he’s probably the safest LB prospect in this Draft, there’s a good chance he might max out his potential in a couple more years. Outside of ideal size, Brown has all the tools to be one of the better LBs in the NFL, however. He has ability to play any of the three LB spots in a 4-3, but his best position might be at weak-side LB. He compares favorably to current Bears’ star LB Lance Briggs—both players are undersized, but their speed, athleticism and instincts overshadow that particular flaw.

 

Ideal fit for the Bears: Alec Ogletree

 

Where the league is at today, with offenses putting a heavy emphasis on pass-catching TEs and slot receivers, having a LB with the ability to cover both would be certainly a luxury for any defense. While Brown is the complete player of the two, Ogletree’s ceiling is higher. If Ogletree is indeed the pick for the Bears at No. 20, G.M. Phil Emery has set the defense up to where it won’t be dependent on a rookie to man the middle. The team added D.J. Williams this off-season, who has plenty of experience at all three LB spots in the 4-3, so if Ogletree is not ready to play at MLB, he could play SLB his first season.

 

The Bears are in desperate need of young cornerstones on defense, and if Ogletree is past his off-the-field issues and fully takes in the coaching, he could be one of those guys for the Bears.

[bowlingtwig]

Here is part of a comparison of two names linked to the Bears.

 

Overall Potential

 

Ogletree: The potential is there for Ogletree to not only be one of the best ILBs in the NFL, but overall one of the best LBs in the league. He is one of the most physically gifted athletes I have studied in quite some time. He can fly around the line of scrimmage in pursuit of ball carriers; you can use his speed and quickness to rush the passer either from the middle or outside.

 

In coverage, Ogletree patrols the middle of the field like a ball-hawking FS, showing the ability to make a play on the football. You can match him up with a big, athletic TE and feel comfortable that he can neutralize him throughout the game. Ogletree should be able to contribute immediately in his first year at either WLB or SLB before taking over at MLB.

 

Brown: Brown has all the tools to be a solid pro for a very long time. While he’s probably the safest LB prospect in this Draft, there’s a good chance he might max out his potential in a couple more years. Outside of ideal size, Brown has all the tools to be one of the better LBs in the NFL, however. He has ability to play any of the three LB spots in a 4-3, but his best position might be at weak-side LB. He compares favorably to current Bears’ star LB Lance Briggs—both players are undersized, but their speed, athleticism and instincts overshadow that particular flaw.

 

Ideal fit for the Bears: Alec Ogletree

 

Where the league is at today, with offenses putting a heavy emphasis on pass-catching TEs and slot receivers, having a LB with the ability to cover both would be certainly a luxury for any defense. While Brown is the complete player of the two, Ogletree’s ceiling is higher. If Ogletree is indeed the pick for the Bears at No. 20, G.M. Phil Emery has set the defense up to where it won’t be dependent on a rookie to man the middle. The team added D.J. Williams this off-season, who has plenty of experience at all three LB spots in the 4-3, so if Ogletree is not ready to play at MLB, he could play SLB his first season.

 

The Bears are in desperate need of young cornerstones on defense, and if Ogletree is past his off-the-field issues and fully takes in the coaching, he could be one of those guys for the Bears.

Personally I go ogletree. I don't particularly care for brown at 20

 

[scs787]

Personally I wouldn't take either, or any LB till the mid rounds. We're set there this year, but if the Bears do wanna take a 1st rounder who isn't going to contribute right away (something that I would like my 1st round pick to do) I'd take Ogletree.

[scs787]

Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears 3h

 

Former Missouri OLB Zaviar Gooden scheduled to visit #Bears on Monday, per a league source.

 

 

This is the guy I want. With the additions of DJ Williams, 4.45 40, and James Anderson, 4.5 40, it's obvious the Bears want speed at the LB position. Zaviar Gooden, 4.47 40, has plenty of speed to burn and he won't cost us a 1st round pick. I don't think he'll last all the way to us in the 4th but if the Bears can pick up a 3rd rounder he's the guy I want there.

[adam]

Ogletree is the pick at 20, but with all the starting LB positions filled, I would rather go OL, WR, CB, or DT with the first pick. The optimal scenario would be to trade down, add a pick or two, then pick the BPA. I know people hate this, but you have to consider Teo in the 2nd as a possibility.

[AZ54]

Ogletree at #20 is my preference and if he's drafted I expect he'll challenge for the starting job at SLB. I like Brown but he's more of a 2nd Rd pick for me. I like the Missouri LB as well in the 3rd. Seems like he was too much of a playmaker for him to last until our 4th Rd pick.

[Stinger226]

This is the guy I want. With the additions of DJ Williams, 4.45 40, and James Anderson, 4.5 40, it's obvious the Bears want speed at the LB position. Zaviar Gooden, 4.47 40, has plenty of speed to burn and he won't cost us a 1st round pick. I don't think he'll last all the way to us in the 4th but if the Bears can pick up a 3rd rounder he's the guy I want there.

Gooden's position in the pros is most likely Briggs spot. So there is a chance he will sit for a couple of years. Since we dont have a 3rd rounder, picking him at 2 is to high.

[Stinger226]

Personally I wouldn't take either, or any LB till the mid rounds. We're set there this year, but if the Bears do wanna take a 1st rounder who isn't going to contribute right away (something that I would like my 1st round pick to do) I'd take Ogletree.

If the OLinemen are gone, it is the next obvious position to fill, for now and the future. The DBs are deep,(get one later) and DT will end up being a rotation guy, so that will be addressed later.

[scs787]

If the OLinemen are gone, it is the next obvious position to fill, for now and the future. The DBs are deep,(get one later) and DT will end up being a rotation guy, so that will be addressed later.

 

I wouldn't really say that it's the next obvious position to fill, especially for now. All 5 of our CBs are free agents next year, and a 1st round CB can come in right away and contribute at the nickel position. The DBs may be deep but why pass up on a guy like Desmond Trufant to get a lesser player later? I'm all in on Desmond Trufant as my 1st round pick if Cooper and Warmack are gone.

 

[Stinger226]

I wouldn't really say that it's the next obvious position to fill, especially for now. All 5 of our CBs are free agents next year, and a 1st round CB can come in right away and contribute at the nickel position. The DBs may be deep but why pass up on a guy like Desmond Trufant to get a lesser player later? I'm all in on Desmond Trufant as my 1st round pick if Cooper and Warmack are gone.

I wouldnt be unhappy with a CB, OL, DT or as I assume a LB. We are in the position to draft a very good player at what ever position falls to us. I trust them to get quality at 20 or even if we move back, we still can get 2 to 3 really good prospects.

[scs787]

I wouldnt be unhappy with a CB, OL, DT or as I assume a LB. We are in the position to draft a very good player at what ever position falls to us. I trust them to get quality at 20 or even if we move back, we still can get 2 to 3 really good prospects.

 

That we can agree on. I would hope it's not a LB but I can understand the reasoning behind it since all 3 of our LBs are FAs next year as well but give me the corner who can also help the Bears win this year as well.

[adam]

Ok, so what if the following players are available at #20:

 

DJ Fluker (OL), Desmond Trufant (CB), Alec Ogletree (LB), Tyler Eifert (TE), and Sylvester Williams (DT), who do you pick?

[jason]

Ok, so what if the following players are available at #20:

 

DJ Fluker (OL), Desmond Trufant (CB), Alec Ogletree (LB), Tyler Eifert (TE), and Sylvester Williams (DT), who do you pick?

 

Fluker. Easy. He starts immediately at RT. The rest can be sorted out.

 

Out of the others, Eifert's effect would be the most insignificant, Williams would be rotational, and Trufant would be a nickel at best. The only other guy who could crack the starting lineup would probably be Ogletree...and that would be a minor stretch considering James Anderson and DJ Williams (I think Ogletree could beat out Anderson).

 

It's simple. You draft starters in the first round. Fluker is the only guy from the only position listed above who is a day one starter.

 

 

[Guest TerraTor]

This is the guy I want. With the additions of DJ Williams, 4.45 40, and James Anderson, 4.5 40, it's obvious the Bears want speed at the LB position. Zaviar Gooden, 4.47 40, has plenty of speed to burn and he won't cost us a 1st round pick. I don't think he'll last all the way to us in the 4th but if the Bears can pick up a 3rd rounder he's the guy I want there.

 

they ran those 40s over 5yrs ago

[dawhizz]

Fluker. Easy. He starts immediately at RT. The rest can be sorted out.

 

Out of the others, Eifert's effect would be the most insignificant, Williams would be rotational, and Trufant would be a nickel at best. The only other guy who could crack the starting lineup would probably be Ogletree...and that would be a minor stretch considering James Anderson and DJ Williams (I think Ogletree could beat out Anderson).

 

It's simple. You draft starters in the first round. Fluker is the only guy from the only position listed above who is a day one starter.

 

Know who else was pegged as an immediate starter at tackle? Gabe Carimi.

[Stinger226]

Fluker. Easy. He starts immediately at RT. The rest can be sorted out.

 

Out of the others, Eifert's effect would be the most insignificant, Williams would be rotational, and Trufant would be a nickel at best. The only other guy who could crack the starting lineup would probably be Ogletree...and that would be a minor stretch considering James Anderson and DJ Williams (I think Ogletree could beat out Anderson).

 

It's simple. You draft starters in the first round. Fluker is the only guy from the only position listed above who is a day one starter.

If we draft Fluker, I would not be upset, but think Ogletree will end up being an all pro LB and not sure Fluker would be. I just read an article on Trufant, and they were talking about him not being a physical type player. I think with all the big WRs we have in the league, there are some CBs that might end up being better players.

[scs787]

Know who else was pegged as an immediate starter at tackle? Gabe Carimi.

 

And their scouting reports are very similar as well....The fact that he gave up the most pressures in the SEC kinda scares me, esp considering Bama isn't exactly a passing offense.

[bradjock]

Personally I go ogletree. I don't particularly care for brown at 20

 

I agree completely. I'd LOVE Brown in round #2 or even later in round #1. He's likely a safe pick, but he's not a game-changer. At #20 you draft what you think will be a pro bowl player. Brown is limited.

 

Brown has a low ceiling and a high floor. Ogletree has a high ceiling and a low floor.

 

The Bears are hoping to trade down. It's just a matter of if that is possible.

[bradjock]

If we draft Fluker, I would not be upset, but think Ogletree will end up being an all pro LB and not sure Fluker would be. I just read an article on Trufant, and they were talking about him not being a physical type player. I think with all the big WRs we have in the league, there are some CBs that might end up being better players.

 

I keep hearing about how the sweet spot in this draft is between 15-30. I see a lot of "meh" there. Fluker has the potential to be a solid starting RT at best. Ogletree has the potential to be the next Lawrence Phillips.

Eifert and Trufant? Meh.

[bowlingtwig]

Ok, so what if the following players are available at #20:

 

DJ Fluker (OL), Desmond Trufant (CB), Alec Ogletree (LB), Tyler Eifert (TE), and Sylvester Williams (DT), who do you pick?

Its close but I go fluker then ogletree. I'm not in love with trufant at #20

[jason]

Know who else was pegged as an immediate starter at tackle? Gabe Carimi.

 

And everyone thought he would be. You miss all the shots you don't take, but that doesn't mean you stop shooting. And it certainly doesn't mean you ignore the biggest team need because of a missed draft pick by a previous regime.

[jason]

If we draft Fluker, I would not be upset, but think Ogletree will end up being an all pro LB and not sure Fluker would be. I just read an article on Trufant, and they were talking about him not being a physical type player. I think with all the big WRs we have in the league, there are some CBs that might end up being better players.

 

That's basically why I said Ogletree has the best chance to start aside from Fluker. He's a very talented player in terms of raw, physical ability.

[scs787]

And what are your thoughts on him giving up the most pressures in the SEC last year? He sounds a lot like Carimi to me, a guy who's getting high praise because of his prowess in the run game. You're obviously afraid of Jay "running for his life" so why go with another stud in the run game who apparently isn't great in the pass game.

[AZ54]

I'm not as high on Fluker as others are for the same concerns...his pass protection ability. I know he won't get bull rushed like Carimi was last year so that's one plus but protecting the edge is a legit concern in his draft profile.

 

Trufant is a lightweight. He can't be very physical because he's not very big. He will not be a very good tackler but that could change over the years as he bulks up. In coverage though he's very fluid and can run fast. I think Trufant is worth taking a couple spots later but then again CBs who can cover are very valued in this league.

 

From that list I'm taking Ogletree. I do think he'd end up starting at SLB this season. If DJ Williams plays well and we sign him for a couple more years I can see these two switching positions one year down the road.

[Stinger226]

I'm not as high on Fluker as others are for the same concerns...his pass protection ability. I know he won't get bull rushed like Carimi was last year so that's one plus but protecting the edge is a legit concern in his draft profile.

 

Trufant is a lightweight. He can't be very physical because he's not very big. He will not be a very good tackler but that could change over the years as he bulks up. In coverage though he's very fluid and can run fast. I think Trufant is worth taking a couple spots later but then again CBs who can cover are very valued in this league.

 

From that list I'm taking Ogletree. I do think he'd end up starting at SLB this season. If DJ Williams plays well and we sign him for a couple more years I can see these two switching positions one year down the road.

I think Ogletree is the stud out of this LBers prospects and think we should take him if available. IF one of the two OGs are there at 20, we have to grab one of them. Any Pro Bowl type players need to added to the OLine. Worst case scenario would be Austin, both OGs and Olgetree being there all at the same time, in a good way. I would still have to go OG.