Stinger226 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on. Peace He gave us a lot of great moments, but he is not the same player. I think he is worth keeping around for a min. deal but honestly we need someone that can be more than be just a returner. That goes for Weems too, we can il afford to keep specialty players, we have to have a kicker, punter, LS, but we really needs players that serve more than one purpose with such a screwed up roster. He made me a lot of money when he was 35-1 odds for (first to score) in the Super Bowl,for that I thank him, but I think it is time to move on. Somebody said this and it bears repeating"Its better to let a player go one year early than I year to late" I AGREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 He gave us a lot of great moments, but he is not the same player. I think he is worth keeping around for a min. deal but honestly we need someone that can be more than be just a returner. That goes for Weems too, we can il afford to keep specialty players, we have to have a kicker, punter, LS, but we really needs players that serve more than one purpose with such a screwed up roster. He made me a lot of money when he was 35-1 odds for (first to score) in the Super Bowl,for that I thank him, but I think it is time to move on. Somebody said this and it bears repeating"Its better to let a player go one year early than I year to late" I AGREE I agree 100 % percent and said in another post that I would cut Weems as well. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on. Peace Based on what? I just don't understand what basis you guys have to say Devin Hester is worth vet minimum only. There's absolutely no basis for it. His stats, his influence, and his ability all say he's worth more than vet minimum. BTW - Cutting Weems for the money he's getting is something with which I agree. Weems is DEFINITELY a vet minimum kind of player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 He gave us a lot of great moments, but he is not the same player. I think he is worth keeping around for a min. deal but honestly we need someone that can be more than be just a returner. That goes for Weems too, we can il afford to keep specialty players, we have to have a kicker, punter, LS, but we really needs players that serve more than one purpose with such a screwed up roster. He made me a lot of money when he was 35-1 odds for (first to score) in the Super Bowl,for that I thank him, but I think it is time to move on. Somebody said this and it bears repeating"Its better to let a player go one year early than I year to late" I AGREE The bolded part is very true, but knowing when that tipping point is not an exact science. Based on Devin Hester's production and ability, it's unlikely he'll turn into a complete bum in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 The bolded part is very true, but knowing when that tipping point is not an exact science. Based on Devin Hester's production and ability, it's unlikely he'll turn into a complete bum in 2014. Especially, when during the last game of the season, he had a great game and was the fastest guy on the field. He's worth 1.5 mil in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Sounds as though it's confirmed that Hester will be released on March 11 . Just saw on NFL AM. Reported by Nicole Zaloumis. She's a great reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://sulia.com/channel/chicago-bears/f/5..._factor=desktop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Thanks. Now that it looks certain, I fully stand by what I posted. Thank you again Devin! Beautiful and I agree 100% Madlith. So many of my best memories as a Bear fan include Devin Hester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://sulia.com/channel/chicago-bears/f/5..._factor=desktop That's a cop out. The article is summed up by the final sentence: "Replacing him with a two-way player will give the Bears more roster flexibility and help from a salary cap perspective." If that's your stance, then it's more understandable. But your previous statements weren't ringing that bell. You said: "Great player in his prime but he has already been paid. " "I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on." Saying it's a good move because of salary cap or roster flexibility is one thing, saying that Devin Hester is simply not worth more than vet minimum is completely different. And wrong based on his efforts last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 That's a cop out. The article is summed up by the final sentence: "Replacing him with a two-way player will give the Bears more roster flexibility and help from a salary cap perspective." If that's your stance, then it's more understandable. But your previous statements weren't ringing that bell. You said: "Great player in his prime but he has already been paid. " "I absolutely believe Hester is not worth any more than the vet minimum. I believe it is time to move on." Saying it's a good move because of salary cap or roster flexibility is one thing, saying that Devin Hester is simply not worth more than vet minimum is completely different. And wrong based on his efforts last year. Whatever. I was just providing another opinion from Pompei. It really doesn't matter because he isn't coming back. I don't feel he is worth more than the veteran minimum. You do. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackerDog Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Whatever. I was just providing another opinion from Pompei. It really doesn't matter because he isn't coming back. I don't feel he is worth more than the veteran minimum. You do. Peace I think the case can be made the Hester has more left in the tank than Urlacher did so it's apples and oranges, regardless. But whatever, I'd like to see Devin back for a few more years because I think he's still effective and a weapon and if he's willing to take a market deal we should talk to him. Not sure why this has to be an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think the case can be made the Hester has more left in the tank than Urlacher did so it's apples and oranges, regardless. But whatever, I'd like to see Devin back for a few more years because I think he's still effective and a weapon and if he's willing to take a market deal we should talk to him. Not sure why this has to be an argument. Wow look who's become the peacemaker? And with Jason involved no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 This is what we have been reduced to, debating whether a special teams only player is worth keeping at an above vet minimum salary. Hester has done some great things for this team and the league including being the first player to return the opening kick in the SB for a TD but if the Bears can tell Urlacher take it or leave it and Charles Tillman can be allowed to test FA without a deal why should Hester be thought of in a better mannner than those two? This team needs to spend money on rebuilding the defense with younger and better players and over paying a kick returner only wouldn't help. As bad as the special teams was last season, the only guys that deserve to comeback are Gould and Mannely. That means Weems and the whole bunch should have to fight for jobs on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 This is what we have been reduced to, debating whether a special teams only player is worth keeping at an above vet minimum salary. Hester has done some great things for this team and the league including being the first player to return the opening kick in the SB for a TD but if the Bears can tell Urlacher take it or leave it and Charles Tillman can be allowed to test FA without a deal why should Hester be thought of in a better mannner than those two? This team needs to spend money on rebuilding the defense with younger and better players and over paying a kick returner only wouldn't help. As bad as the special teams was last season, the only guys that deserve to comeback are Gould and Mannely. That means Weems and the whole bunch should have to fight for jobs on this team. He is gone no matter what our opinions are, I think we can find someone, who can be our 3 RB or 4 WR or a backup DB that can be good, were never going to find someone as good as Hester in his prime, but he's not in his prime anymore. I think he has some gas left in the tank, but you dont pay players for past performance, you guess when he's done being effective and go from there. The Bears think its time to move on, the brass running the team owe him nothing. He got paid, for being a great KR, but that was yesterday and yesterday is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 He is gone no matter what our opinions are, I think we can find someone, who can be our 3 RB or 4 WR or a backup DB that can be good, were never going to find someone as good as Hester in his prime, but he's not in his prime anymore. I think he has some gas left in the tank, but you dont pay players for past performance, you guess when he's done being effective and go from there. The Bears think its time to move on, the brass running the team owe him nothing. He got paid, for being a great KR, but that was yesterday and yesterday is gone. agreed! Same thing for Peppers,take a pay cut or take a hike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 agreed! Same thing for Peppers,take a pay cut or take a hike. I usually only notice you around during this time of year. This a big time of year, I am interested in, but you need to pop in more, you have good insight in matters all Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 bingo! agreed! Same thing for Peppers,take a pay cut or take a hike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradjock Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think the case can be made the Hester has more left in the tank than Urlacher did so it's apples and oranges, regardless. But whatever, I'd like to see Devin back for a few more years because I think he's still effective and a weapon and if he's willing to take a market deal we should talk to him. Not sure why this has to be an argument. What hurts Devin is the fact he is a specialist. And he'll be 32 in November. And he is a specialist who is not as special since so many kick-offs sail out the back of the end zone. We had a similar debate with Olin Kreutz & Brian Urlacher. We didn't realize Kreutz was done and nobody offered Urlacher anything substantial. I think it's likely he'll be making Patrick Mannelly money this season. The veteran minimum. My only question is why the hell wouldn't the Bears want him back for the minimum? Again, Hester's great. Whoever he is with, I hope he runs several back this season to the point he's considered for HOF recognition. I'd love to have him back, but I'll give the Bears the benefit of the doubt on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 What hurts Devin is the fact he is a specialist. And he'll be 32 in November. And he is a specialist who is not as special since so many kick-offs sail out the back of the end zone. We had a similar debate with Olin Kreutz & Brian Urlacher. We didn't realize Kreutz was done and nobody offered Urlacher anything substantial. I think it's likely he'll be making Patrick Mannelly money this season. The veteran minimum. My only question is why the hell wouldn't the Bears want him back for the minimum? Again, Hester's great. Whoever he is with, I hope he runs several back this season to the point he's considered for HOF recognition. I'd love to have him back, but I'll give the Bears the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hester is a fringe HOF player. Another 2 or 3 returns for touchdown and he should be in. Great player that is past his prime. Time to move on and I'm glad the Bears did. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hester is a fringe HOF player. Another 2 or 3 returns for touchdown and he should be in. Great player that is past his prime. Time to move on and I'm glad the Bears did. Peace Hard to say Hester is past his prime. Past his peek, I will agree, but the guy still led the NFL in punt average in yards. If he had competent blockers that didn't get called for penalties, he would have had one or two td's last year. If he had Dave Toubs best units, he'd shatter the record. If the roster was filled and we had room to cut Weems and sign Hester in his place I'd do it in a heart beat. Hester is owed nothing, but he is still one of the NFLs top returners still. His departure comes down to $, we need every dime to retool the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 He'll have competition on the open market. Broncos don'r wanna pay Trindon Holiday 1.3M to come back despite him having 6 returns for TDs the last 2 years. Kinda tells you how much teams value returners if they don't wanna pay the dude a measly 1.3 mill. I haven't got in on this convo because I'm not one for nostalgia...Though Jason did make a compelling argument on him being more than just nostalgic when he brought up his stats from this year. Since Chris Williams was signed during the season I wonder if they saw enough of him in practice to know he's capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 He'll have competition on the open market. Broncos don'r wanna pay Trindon Holiday 1.3M to come back despite him having 6 returns for TDs the last 2 years. Kinda tells you how much teams value returners if they don't wanna pay the dude a measly 1.3 mill. I haven't got in on this convo because I'm not one for nostalgia...Though Jason did make a compelling argument on him being more than just nostalgic when he brought up his stats from this year. Since Chris Williams was signed during the season I wonder if they saw enough of him in practice to know he's capable. The good and bad,of Phil is he doesnt say anything and surprises us, the good it is very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I think the case can be made the Hester has more left in the tank than Urlacher did so it's apples and oranges, regardless. But whatever, I'd like to see Devin back for a few more years because I think he's still effective and a weapon and if he's willing to take a market deal we should talk to him. Not sure why this has to be an argument. Exactly. Why can't the "Hester is worth no more than get minimum"-be supported with any sort of data? I've laid out a pretty compelling case as to why he's still valuable. The only real answers for him leaving are other than ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Exactly. Why can't the "Hester is worth no more than get minimum"-be supported with any sort of data? I've laid out a pretty compelling case as to why he's still valuable. The only real answers for him leaving are other than ability. Because I don't care to spend time to look at the data. He is a specialist and can only return kicks and punts. He is clearly not the same player he was 3 to 4 years ago. If he was the player he was 3 to 4 years ago, I would say keep him and maybe give 1.5 o 2 million a year for a couple of years. He is clearly not. Again, great player. If a returner ends up in the hall of fame it should be him. He changed the game. They moved the kickoff up and he is one of the reasons. However, I am not paying him for past performance. What would you pay him right now, Jason? Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 There has been talk the past couple years of eliminating the kickoff, extra points, and so forth. Punts, would probably still be a part of the game, but they have ways to take out the returner on those too with directional, long distance, or slow high punts as we have seen. Hester eliminated his own job with being such a threat. I've also heard crazy theories how teams should be and will be getting more aggressive on 4th down attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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